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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: cmg414 on Monday 14 November 11 10:59 GMT (UK)
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Ivar Blomberg was born in 1860 in Sweden. I believe he was born in Norrkoping, Ostergotland. He was a sailor and married in Barrow in Furness in 1891 to Mary Ratcliffe, they then lived in South Shields where Ivar died in 1919.
His father was called Pehr and was a mechanic. Ivar was shown on the 1911 census as Per Ivar Blomberg.
I have been unable to find any details of his birth or emigration and also no success in finding his parents.
Any help in finding his birth and parents would be really appreciated.
cmg414
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Have access to Arkivdigital & had a look for him yesterday in 1860-births with no luck so far.
Norrkøping is a city with several parishes and hence an awful lot of pages to browse.
Have you got any more specific information? Siblings?
Are you sure year of birth is 1860? Could it be +-/a year or two off we are struggeling....
Jan in Norway
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Hi Jan,
It is really good of you to help with this and the reason for your difficulty in finding him can be explained by the following additional information I have just been given:
He is on the index 1880 Swedish Census CD. However, he had left without registering out of the parish and he was listed on a page for the "nonexistent".
Per Ivar Blomberg was born on 11 Nov 1859 and baptised 20 Nov in Hedvig Parish, Norrkoping. Father was Johan Peter Blomberg and mother Carolina Persdotter.
Any information on his parents birth/marriage etc and any siblings would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Colin
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That made a huge difference..!
The details you've found are correct, I'll see if I can find a Husforhør (Household Record)
J
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Found the record, it is however very, very faded.
What I've been able to work out for sure so far is that your Per Ivar had a sister Carolina Ulrika, born 17/1-1858, baptised 10/2-1858.
Jan
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Jan,
The fact that he had a sister is great news as we had no previous knowledge of Per Ivar Blomberg having any siblings.
I really appreciate all the time and effort that you have taken to help me with this.
Thanks
Colin
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You welcome!
This is good practice for me too, in finding my own Swedish ancestors!
With a little help I've managed to decipher the parent's details to this:
Johan Peter Blomberg born 29/3-1829 Wäta
and his wife Carolina Persdotter born 11/3-1833 Heda
Jan
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Jan,
You have made a certain gentleman extremely happy!
Per Ivar Blomberg's grandson has asked me to be sure to pass on his thanks to Jan. To say that he is very appreciative of everything you have managed to achieve is an understatement.
Well done!
Colin
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Thank you!
..and there is more, if I move to the next parish Heda I can read the following:
Carolina,
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Born 10/3-1833 baptised 12/3-1833 to parents Backstugasittaren Petter Månsson and wife Brita Maria Jonsdotter from Danskeberg. Godparents: Lifgrenad Anders ?Loo? and wife Sara Greta Andersdotter, Fr. Zettingsstads ?Ågor? as well as wife Sara Pettersdotter in Heda.
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J
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Jan,
Once again that is great information.
Many Thanks,
Colin
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Slightly of with respect to dates, but I think this is our man:
Johan Petter, born 28/5-1829, baptised 31/5-1829 to parents worker Petter Blomberg ?Halstea? and wife Frederica Wilhelmina Carlqvist. The mother is aged 24 and they are living a place called "Folkelsegrund".
J
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Hi Jan,
I have found a family tree that has a Frederica Wilhelmina Carlqvist b 10 Aug 1805 in Vate. The following is according to this tree - her father Johannes Carlqvist b 11 Jul 1774 Alsheda, Smaland d 1844 Backs, Vate - her mother Cajsa Lisa Fagerhult b 10 Jan 1783 Lilla Ambos, Vate d 1840 Backs, Vate. Her parents married 18 Feb 1800 Vate.
Frederica Wilhelmina married Jonas Petter Blomberg 25 Jun 1826 in Vaskunde. He was b 9 Aug 1806 Kviungs, Stenkumla and his father was Niclas Jonsson Blomberg and mother Sara Christina Persdotter
They had a son Johan Petter Blomberg b 28 May 1829 Vate but the tree has no information about a wife.
I wondered if this might fit with what you have found? Also, I have not worked out how to show umlauts etc but there is an umlaut on the a in Vate and Backs.
Colin
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Hi Colin!
It looks promising, I have found the birth Aug 10, 1805, it is correct. Somewhat amusing, the mother's age is stated to be "20-25" & the minister has written "Cajsa Wilh.." first, but corrected it afterwards!
Jan
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Hi again!
Widower Johan Carlqvist died aged 69y 6m on Jan 12, 1844. He was buried Jan 19, 1844. Cause of death; Lungsot. (pneumonia)
I've also found this family in the Household records for Danskeberg;
Peter Månssån, b Heda 1800
wife Brita Maja Jonsdotter, b Hagby 1790
Children:
Christina Fredrika 1824
Olof Magnus 1830
Carolina b 10/3-1833
One comment I can read: "Utfattiga", there is probably an English word for this?
(It means very, very poor)
Jan.
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Hi Jan,
re Utfattiga - I am afraid that I can't speak any Swedish and being very very poor could be best translation. There is a word in English - destitute - but that means totally impoverished, lacking the means of subsistence. It really comes down to what the writer meant.
I see what you mean about the minister getting the name wrong and guessing at the age. Perhaps he had been celebrating a wee bit too much earlier!
I will try and find some more info to help with your research.
Colin
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Yes, altough I am not Swedish to me Utfattiga means "on the brink of starvation"...
Did you understand the expression "Backstugasittare"?
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backstugusittare
Loosely translated it means "someone who sits in a cottage in the ground", and tht's what it was, a cottage part dug out in the ground!
(Also for the very poorest)
J
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It certainly appears that this family had a very hard life.
I have found something interesting - another marriage:
Jonas Peter Blomberg aged 29 married Hedvig Ulrica Carlqvist aged 27 on 08 Jan 1836 in Vate, Gotland.
I believe this is our man and that the bride is the sister of Fredrika Wilhelmina Carlqvist. This could indicate that Fredrika died sometime before 1836. I will look for children from both marriages to see if this fits.
Colin
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It didn't take me more than a minute to find this last marriage during my lunch break!
They were both widowed,
Your info seems to fit, where have you picked it from?
Jan
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I found it on - http://familysearch.org
I have found children, also on that site, from both marriages:
the youngest child of 4 that I could find from Jonas/Fredrika is Johanna Seraphia Pehrsson b 8 Nov 1834 in Vate and the oldest child of 6 from Jonas/Hedvig is Carl Herman Jonsson b 13 Oct 1835 in Vate.
The naming is interesting in that in the first marriage the first child was female but named Blomberg, then 2 males named Pehrsson and finally a female also named Pehrsson. In the second marriage all the children are named Jonsson including 3 females.
It would appear that Fredrika died 1834/1835.
Colin
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Hi Jan,
I have hit another little problem with patronymic names.
I was looking for the parents of Jonas Petter Blomberg b 9 aug 1806 and have found what looks like it could be him but he is Jonas Petter Nilsson b 9 Aug 1806 in Stenkumla, Gotland to parents Nils Blomberg and Anna Stina Persdotter. I believe that I have found another 7 children all with the patronymic Nilsson (all born in Vaskinde, Gotland) for this couple but the names of the parents are Nils Jonsson Blomberg and Sara Stina Persdotter.
As Jonas Petter married in Vaskinde this all seemed a possible fit.
I have had a good look on freesearch.org for the births and marriage of Nils Jonsson Blomberg/Nils Jonsson/Nils Blomberg/Sara Stina Persdotter/Anna Stina Persdotter/Stina Persdotter/Sara Persdotter. Unfortunately, no success.
Can you assist with this one?
Colin
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Hi!
Haven't been on the computer mush lately, but this is what I found on Aug 9, 1806.
Hard for you to read?
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yes. as I cannot speak Swedish it is more than difficult. I can only guess that
it is the birth/baptism of a son - Jonas Petter to Nils Blomberg and Sara Stina Persdotter.
I would appreciate your help with a translation.
Colin
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Yes, you are quite right!
I can't read all the 200-year old Swedish squiggles myself, but it starts with:
(Something like)
On August 9 was born on Kviung' s grounds Cottager Nils Blomberg's legitimate son...
and, of course, mother's name, something about holy baptism (I think!) and the Godparents.
And, in the Household Record for Stenkumla, Kviung's ground I can read the following:
Cottager (Sw: Torpare) Nils Blomberg, b. 9/2-1778, Småland
His wife Sara Stina, b, 1776, Alsheda
Children:
Anna Stina, b 19/10-1802, Småland
Sara Lisa, b 3/6-1804
Jonas Petter, b 9/8-1806
This family moved to the parish 1805.
They further moved out 1807, I think it says to Visby...?
Could it be a match? I think it is quite possible that the children may have used both "Blomberg" and "Nilsson/Nilsdotter" as surnames...
Jan
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I do appreciate that and it looks to me that this is the correct family .
I have found a Sara Elisabeth Nilsdotter b 3/6 1804 in Eskelhem,Gotland - father Nils Blomberg and mother Sara Stina Pahrsdoter.
I believe that Lisa is possibly just a shortened version of Elisabeth? Is Nils possibly a shortened version of a longer name?
The other children appear to have been born in Vaskinde which would seem to fit with what you have found them moving to Visby.
Colin
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Hi again Colin & finally some time to have a look-up in Arkivdigital!
I can just confirm, found the birth 3/6-1804 in Eskelhem quite fast.
"Lisa" could pretty well be a short version of "Elisabeth".
..but I've never seen a longer version of "Nils".
("Nils" is sometimes translated to "Neil" in the Dictionaries...)
Jan