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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Down => Topic started by: Dale on Saturday 12 November 11 08:51 GMT (UK)
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Kia Ora
Greetings from New Zealand!
After decades of searching for my Boyle/ Caughey connections in County Down I have finally nailed a few! My search has involved researching a number of families who all arrived in New Zealand in the 1860s/70s. All settled around a small area in Canterbury South Island. All originated in County Down.
Most are buried in nearby cemeteries.
Kids went to the same early settler schools and many were Presbyterian. Later records show the kids married within the group which has lead to many duplications of names!
I am writing this for several reasons!
1.As I researched each family I found "coincidences" which made me wonder if they knew each other before emigrating raising other questions such as were they related earlier?
2. Was there a chance each emigrant family left members behind in Ireland?
3. What was the connection back in Ireland?
Following is a list of names which might help others!
BOYLE
Alexander Boyle born c1805 married Lucinda Caughey between 1825-1830ish
Children definitely identified are
Alexander c.1825
John bap 1830 Crossnamuckley
Wm Henry Nov 1832 Ballybuttle
Margaret July 1837 Ballyboley
Sarah Jan 1843 Ballycopeland
Mary Mar 1840 Ballyblack
Families definitely conected are:
1.Children of Samuel MILLAR and Agnes Stoup of Ballyblack and Crossnamuckley
2. Children of Samuel BALLAGH (var sp.) and Agnes White of Grey AbbeyGrey Abbey
3. Children of Edward HALL & Margaret Unknown of Co Armagh
4. Children of Alexander STRUTHERS and Grizell Unknown of Avondale Lanarkshire Scotland.
Happy to share info with anyone missing rellies of these surnames!
Would be delighted to team up with anyone researching Caughey or Boyle!
Regards
Dale
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Hi Dale,
I am seeking a Mary Boyle, born around the 1834 mark. She came to Australia as an orphan, but the story varies. She married a Thomas Matthews & I have their story from there on.
She was RC, and from the life after marriage, it appears that she was pretty well educated.
I have found ship details for a M Boyle, RC and read & write. Who knows?
Glad of any info on any Mary Boyle, O'Boyle or (as she was on the wedding cert Marion Boyle!)
Phil from Oz
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Hi,
Don't know if you have seen this. http://www.irishfaminememorial.org/orphans/
It lists all the orphan girls from Irish workhouses who went to Australia between 1848 and 1850. There are several Mary Boyles among them.
Regards
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Hi Phil
I have a Mary Boyle born before her Baptism 22 March 1840 at Ballyblack Presbyterian. Won't be yours I don't think!
Does her marriage cert to Thomas give the names of her parents?
Your Mary may well have been educated if she had been in an orphanage run by Nuns ! Did she travel to OZ before the Famine 1840s or after?
Sorry I cannot help specifically!
Dale
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Hi Dale,
The family story was that she came out here aged around 10 with an Aunt or Uncle. She was RC, and the marriage cert has no parents named.
It appears that your Boyles are not the same mob.
We will see (said the blind man). Thanks for the reply
Phil
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Hi, thanks for te reply.
Yes, see those pages, the Mary Boyle in 1850 could be mine if she was indeed an orphan alone.
Very hard to know for sure!
Phil
Hi,
Don't know if you have seen this. http://www.irishfaminememorial.org/orphans/
It lists all the orphan girls from Irish workhouses who went to Australia between 1848 and 1850. There are several Mary Boyles among them.
Regards
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Hi Phil
MIGHT her marrriage or death cert have a COUNTY of origin? Can you identify the Aunt?uncle?
Can you find a headstone or an obituary in local small newspapers through www.Trove or similar?
Watch out as BOYLE is sometimes BOLE, BOAL etc - a real pain!
Cheers
Dale
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Hi Dale,
Got the obit, found the headstone, family bible gives no clues. Agree with the spelling issue, and have a bit of a giggle to think that nobody could spell in the 1800's and now the kids are right back there.
There is 1 Mary Boyle, arrived in 1850 that fits my needs, birth date about right, RC, could read & write. I will narrow my search in that direction & see where I end up.
Thanks for the tips!
Phil
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Hi again Dale
the other problem with my Mary is that she was known as Mary Boyle, Mary O'Boyle and Marion Boyle on the marriage certificate. The family history we have all suggest it was Mary O'Boyle.
If she came out with an Aunt or Uncle, it is likely she was recorded as Mrs ?? accompanied by one child..
Phil
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HI
The Boyles do my head in!
We have a family rumour that some of the family left Ireland about 1850, went to Pennsylvania, back to England, then to New Zealand!
I have the wife with an unusual name, Lucinda, and the one place that shows up Lucindas is the US.
Some in the family question WHY would they go to the US, return to England, catch a ship and come to NZ? I have their arrival here as 1862-1865 in batches! They all settled in thr same area as other County Downers and I suspect they were all related (!!), all Presbyterian, and that the Church said "go forth & multiply and we''ll help with the fares!"
IF your Mary was married it should be clear on the Marriage cert especially if she had a child - but one of mine had a child in Ireland but said she was a spinster when marrying in NZ - technically correct because she hadn't married the 1st partner.
Could the child be a son/daughter of the Aunt /uncle and Mary was the Caregiver staying in the same cabin with the child? They were fairly strict aboard emigrant ships so a 16/17 year old girl may not have been able to stay in the same cabin with a married couple if she was a niece.
I know that mine came from Co Down & that helps here, but not in the US where they just said they were from Ireland!
Can you glean any clues from the birth certs of any children she had with Matthews? NZ have a birthplace of the parents noted on them. As we knew the dates of our grandparents births - all 11 of them it meant we had to buy every birth cert as the Irish mother changed her birthplace or the Registrar spelt it differently for each child (!!!) but eventually we managed to pinpoint the locality and I managed to find her Baptism. That put her mother at a given location at a very specific date and I eventually found the grandfather on the Griffiths Valuation (spelt Boal) at the same time.
NOW I'm not sure where to go but at least I have the family in ireland 1860- 1863 and in NZ 1865 - whether they went to America is a mattter for hot debate!
What you can guarantee is that your ancestors were on the move!
I would take a good look at the residence given for Mary/Marion at her marriage, she probably married in her local parish. See if there are any O/Boyles around the area, check whether the Priest was Irish, what brotherhood he belonged to etc, were there Nuns aboard the ship, were there heaps of Irish in the town where she settled etc?
I had to go through many back doors to get answers! If you wish to write privately giving your info I'm happy to help - just PM me!
Cheers
Dale