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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cheshire => Topic started by: craven481 on Friday 11 November 11 15:49 GMT (UK)
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According to my birth certificate [1945] I was born at Collar House, Prestbury, near Macclesfield, Cheshire, although my family lived in Hilme, Manchester.
I have been told this was because the maternity hospital in Manchester [St Mary's] had been closed during the war.
I cannot find any info on Collar House. Is the building still there? Is there a history of the building on any website?
Any information on Collar House would be welcomed as I know nothing about it.
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Collar House Hospital Previous name(s) Collar House Maternity Home Collar House Address Chelford Road Macclesfield SK10 4AP http://www.rootschat.com/links/0gu6/
Stan
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Go to http://www.old-maps.co.uk/maps.html and put the coordinates 389220, 376665 in to the search boxes. You can see the hospital on the 1968-1969 O.S. 1: 2,500 map
The site is now a retirement housing development built in 1989, and a nursing home.
http://www.housingcare.org/housing-care/facility-info-15594-prestbury-beaumont-prestbury-england.aspx
Stan
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It looks as though the original hospital building is still there see http://binged.it/v7rd9a
Stan
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Thanks for your speedy responses, Stan.
The old maps suggest it's the same building now known as Beumont Community Care Home - there's a photo on their website http://www.barchester.com/Care-Home/Prestbury-Beaumont-Care-Community/Overview/330/18 and it's the same as your modern Bing map link.
Nice to see where I was born [if indeed it is the same place] as I now live in the Midlands, but I can trace my Craven family back to the late 1700s in Tarporley Cheshire. I might try contact the Beaumont Home direct for confirmation.
Thanks again
Ken
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I found a few mentions in the newspapers.
You can work out who lived here from the dates.
1896; 1898 J C Waterhouse, Collar House Prestbury.
1884; 1881 Gerald Peel .
1873; R Hervey aged 70 died at Collar House
1862 Misses Hervey Collar House.
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Using the newspaper details you've kindly supplied I have now located Collar House on the censuses. Will have to wait a while for Ancestry to put the full 1911 census on line to find the later residents.
Many thanks for the information.
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http://www.prestburycheshire.com/exhibition.htm
Some good information and a picture in the link.
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Many thanks - just what I wanted to know.
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Hi
Collar House was used in the war by St Mary's Manchester when Manchester was being bombed. My mother was the midwife who got the operating theatre there up and running. She met my father there and they married in 1943. I was born there in 1944. I went to visit the house and decided to write a history of the house. It is nearly finished. I traced the house back to at least 1780 and have data on at least 7 families who owned or tenanted the house. I wrote two articles for the local church magazine to ask people for info and had many responses and some photos, inc. one of the staff of the house in 1904. When the Prestbury Beaumont Care Home was built they retained the lovely east and south facades and knocked down the old kitchen and staff quarters to build two wings of accomodation better suited to the care of older people. I hope to publish the booklet later this summer (it is 50 pages) and intend to leave copies in the local libraries.
It was used for deliveries from Dec 1939 - 1952 when the Manchester wards had been repaired/rebuilt. Hope this helps I am new to this site.
Mary
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Welcome to RootsChat Mary. You are joining a happy band of like-minded family history researchers who, like you have just done, are always ready to help fellow members. You will be amazed at the wide selection of topics covered and the lengths people go to with assistance.
I see you haven't placed the FRANKLAND name yet on the Surname Interest Table (I'm already helping?) I recently acquired papers to do with the bungalow your grandfather had built at Hockley and I can send you photographs of the mess that Poynton is still in with its shared space scheme if you are interested. You'll need to send me your email address via a PM for that.
Are Michael, David and Sir Clive interested?
Best wishes,
KimH
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Mary
That's very helpful. Perhaps your mother delivered me in June 1945!
As I no longer live in the area perhaps you would be kind enough to put a
message on here when your book is available.
Good luck with your project.
Many thanks.
Ken
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Hi
I have not used any sort of chat site before so
Ken I will let this site know if I can get a publisher at reasonable price always a worry for short runs
Kim I am curious to know how you know my family and would be interested in Grandpa's bungalow but have no idea how to give you my email address. My phone no is 01245421794
I am wary of on-line advice as there is another site which says the Moseley family at Collar were related to Oswald Mosley the fascist. How people can be so sloppy about spelling I do not know. Rex Moseley's older brother Oswald worked in the family Rubber Manufacturing firm in Manchester all his life and had nothing to do with fascists. If people bothered to check they would find that not only is the surname spelt differently but their middle names are different too. And once this sort of rubbish starts to be written it gets 'shared as truth' when it is not.
Thanks to both of you for responding
Mary
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Hello.
This is my first post on this site. Collar House to the best of my knowledge was built by the Fry family who I am related to. I don't know when it was built but the Fry's were quakers, hence the name Collar House. You may remember the bars of chocolate with five boys on the front, known as the Fry's five boys. The boys were the sons. They also had wide white collars.
Charlie.
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Charlie
That's interestng. Perhaps Mary, who is writing the history of the house, was already aware of this fact but I wasn't.
Cheers
Ken
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Hi Charlie
Thanks for the contact but I would need to know when you think it belonged to your Quaker Fry family. It passed by a will from father to son in the Hordern family in 1780 and again down the family line in 1819. These details are confirmed by annual entries in George 4th's Land Tax returns. It then passes to the Hervey family from 1859-1888. more wills etc. It is then bought by the Mill owner Isaac Waterhouse in 1888 and held by him until his death in 1913. If you have data prior to 1780 I shall be overjoyed.
best wishes
Mary
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Hello Mary.
I am afraid I can't help you. I only know what I was told by my grand parents. I was also born in Collar House in 1946 and then lived in Hulme for ten years.
The information was something that was always known in the family. Sadly they are all gone now so I can't find any link. Does this make any sense?
Charlie.
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Having done a little more research I found that St Marys Manchester took over three properties in Prestbury during WWII: Collar House, Prestbury Hall, anf Adlington Hall.
On re-checking my birth certificate My place of birth is shown as St Marys Hospital [Village Branch] Prestbury R D [assume Rural District].
According to St Marys archivist this would have probably referred to Prestbury Hall, with Collar House being shown as Prestbury Main Branch, and Adlington Hall was reserved for wives of serviceman -my father was in a reserved occupation so that is ruled out.
I was under the impression I was born at Collar House by another Mancunian who was born there. Now I know different, and Prestbury Hall is presently up for sale but as I am not a footballer I can't afford it!
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Hi folks, especially Craven 481 who was born at Collar House
My book on the history of Collar House is finished and the manager of the Prestbury Beaumont/Collar House has offered to have a coffee morning on Saturday Sept 14th at 11. I will have the book available then. I need to let Collar House know the numbers should you wish to come.
It is 50 pages of A4 with the history from 1780 -2012.
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Mary
Congratulations on the completion of your book. As I live in Warwickshire I will not be at your book launch but hope it is a great success.
If you look at last my posting - above your last one - you will see that I was probably mistaken with my earlier assumption and it now looks more likely that I was born at Prestbury Hall but have yet to prove this as I haven't found anyone else who was born there.
Cheers
Ken
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My mother was born in Collar House, October 30th 1946. It was the former home of Sir Oswald Moseley. I found this great little article online which might help shed some light :)
http://brickcourse.blogspot.com/2013/10/a-wartime-hospital_27.html?m=1
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As added elsewhere:
Denise,
The article from the link states:
'One website states categorically that this had been the home of Sir Oswald Mosley, leader of the British Union of Fascists. Not very well researched for the Moseley family of Prestbury did not even spell their name in the same way as Sir Oswald'
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My grandparents met at collar house. They were in service there. I’d love to read your book and see the pictures.