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Title: hyman misell
Post by: turnerhoyle on Thursday 10 November 11 16:31 GMT (UK)

  hi does anyone out there have any info on hyman misell born about 1871 in the manchester area

    look forward to hearing from you
                                                            regards christine
Title: Re: hyman misell
Post by: lizdb on Thursday 10 November 11 16:39 GMT (UK)
Do tell us first what you already have! So we dont spend time looking for what you have.

Have you found him in 1881 (free to search) ?
If so what does that tell you about him?
HAve you found his birth reg?

Where have you found him?
Title: Re: hyman misell
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 10 November 11 16:39 GMT (UK)
Do you have any other info. on Hyman

there's this one - do you think it could be him

1891c RG12; Piece: 3184; Folio 62; Page 23
255 Oxford St.
Montague Misell 46 Manchester Dealer in find arts
Rachel 43 Manchester
David 20 Commercial Traveller Checmicals
HYMAN 19 Cheetham Lancashire Salesman fine arts
Jospeh 16
Maud 10
Beatrice 8
Benjamin 7
Rosalind 6
William 4
Samuel 2
Moses 79 grandfather Ipswich Retired Merchant

1881 RG11; Piece: 4023; Folio: 20; Page: 34 63 Stock Street
Hyman age 9 with family
free to search http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/search_census.asp

Death Hyman Misell born 1872 died Mar 1917 Chorlton Lancashire

Marriage Jan 1895 Chorlton Lancashire
Hyman Misell
names on same page  
Harriet Thompson
Sarah Ellen Corcoran
Title: Re: hyman misell
Post by: Luzzu on Thursday 10 November 11 16:56 GMT (UK)
Lancs BMD has him marrying Harriet Thompson - Chorlton on Medlock Register Office or Registrar Attending.

www.lancashirebmd.org.uk

Luzzu
Title: Re: hyman misell
Post by: Luzzu on Thursday 10 November 11 17:05 GMT (UK)
He had two short stays in Chorlton Union Workhouse and admitted himself on both occasions:-

22 Jun 1909 - 2 Jul 1909 admitted from Chorlton on Medlock
28 Apr 1910 - 12 Sep 1910 admitted from Rusholme

His religion was given as Hebrew and on the second occasion his next of kin was his wife, Harriet, The Empire Sweet Store, Hyde Road, Ardwick.

His birth was registered 3rd qtr 1871 Manchester 8d 358.

Luzzu
Title: Re: hyman misell
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 10 November 11 17:09 GMT (UK)
Thanks Luzzu

There's a Harriet Misell & son Stanley Misell b1898 together residing Chorlton Lancahire on  free 1911 index there's also an entry for Hyman Misell residing Chorlton but don't know if the family are living together

turnerhoyle - you would need to buy credits to view http://www.1911census.co.uk/

 There's also War Service record for Stanley Misell
his mother Harriet is noted as next of kin abode 8 Thorpe Street off Appleby ???
I believe you can view Army records for free at the moment on A******y

Before we go any further do you think this is your Hyman & family?
Title: Re: hyman misell
Post by: turnerhoyle on Thursday 10 November 11 17:24 GMT (UK)
  thanks once again- yes im sure this is my family--how on earth did you find him in the workhouse- are there records out there that you can look at

 thank you will try and find military records

         kind regards christine
Title: Re: hyman misell
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 10 November 11 17:27 GMT (UK)
If this is the right family

Lancashire BMD
gives two marriage entries 1869
Montague Misell to Rachael Misell
Manchester Register Office or Registrar Attended & Manchester, Great Synagogue

You can order certificates from here if you want,
you will also find birth entry for Montague 1845 & Stanley 1898
no mother’s maiden name given

http://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/cgi/birthind.cgi?county=lancashire

marriage
MISELL   Moses
JACOBS   Esther
1843 Manchester, Great Synagogue

Here's Montague on 1851c/1861c with father Moses mother Esther

1851
HO107; Piece: 2232; Folio: 49; Page: 7
23 Nightingale Street
Moses 39 Ipswich Suffolk Picture Dealer
Esther 25 Birmingham
MONTAGUE 6 Manchester
Henry 4
David 2
Lewis 9 months

RG9; Piece: 2949; Folio: 16; Page: 23
30 Stanley Street
Moses Misell Head Widow 49 Suffolk Pitcure Dealer
Amelia 78 mother
MONTAGUE 16 Manchester Picture dealer
Henry 14 Shop boy
Lewis 10
David 12
Catherine Mantey servant
Title: Re: hyman misell
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 10 November 11 17:29 GMT (UK)
 
 thank you will try and find military records
 

This is what you are looking for

Stanley Misell
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895 Age at enlistment:    20
Birth Parish: Longsight
Document Year: 1915
Reg No: 3614
Reg Name: R Bn Manch Regt
Number of images:    21
Title: Re: hyman misell
Post by: Luzzu on Thursday 10 November 11 17:37 GMT (UK)
There are a few Misell burials on Manchester Online Burials but no Hyman or Harriet.  There is a Stanley who was buried in April 1932 in Southern.  He might be worth investigating further.  According the FreeBMD, there was a Stanley Misell death registered 2nd qtr 1932 and he was 34 years old so could be Hyman and Harriet's son.

http://www.burialrecords.manchester.gov.uk/GenSearch.aspx

Luzzu
Title: Re: hyman misell
Post by: turnerhoyle on Thursday 10 November 11 18:02 GMT (UK)

 yes  stanley was hyman and harriets son- just looked up his military records- 21 pages- seems he was discharged from the army feb 1917- think it reads as gunshot wound to the right arm which later became infected
  thank you all for your replies- would like to know how you found the info on the workhouse

                              kind regards christine
Title: Re: hyman misell
Post by: Luzzu on Thursday 10 November 11 18:13 GMT (UK)
You can see them on the Manchester Collection at Find My Past by subscription or there is free access at Manchester Archives.

Luzzu
Title: Re: hyman misell
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 10 November 11 18:40 GMT (UK)
Sorry Christine I failed to find Hyman, Harriet and Stanley together on 1901c,
a possible marriage for Stanley the only way to confirm would be to purchase the certificate to see his father's is named Hyman

Sep qtr. 1922 Chorlton
Stanley Misell spouses surname Dewey

There are three Misell births 1923 - 1926 with mother’s maiden name Dewey
as they may still be living you can view details on FreeBMD

http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

Good luck with the search  :)

Title: Re: hyman misell
Post by: Luzzu on Thursday 10 November 11 18:43 GMT (UK)
Yes they all seem to be missing in 1901  ???.  Could be a mistranscription but I've tried quite a few variations.

Luzzu
Title: Re: hyman misell
Post by: Ladyhawk on Thursday 10 November 11 19:13 GMT (UK)
Yes they all seem to be missing in 1901  ???.  Could be a mistranscription but I've tried quite a few variations.

Their names must be really badly mis transcribed I've tried every combination I can think of  ??? Are there any missing censuses pages 1901 Manchester? Perhaps they are using a different name altogether  ???

This appears to be his christening (familysearch.org) - residence 1898 Manchester Lancashire
perhaps finding their address 1898 may help locate them in 1901
   
Stanley Misell bapt.   12 Nov 1902 St. Thomas, Manchester birth date: 04 Jan 1898
father's name:   Bryman Misell mother's name:   Harriet
indexing project (batch) number:   C03554-7
system origin:   England-EASy
source film number:   2113152

Title: Re: hyman misell
Post by: turnerhoyle on Thursday 10 November 11 19:19 GMT (UK)
 
thanks for christning details- wonder if they were missed off the 1901 cencus- seems to happen from time to time

                                thanks christine