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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Down => Topic started by: Ultima25 on Thursday 10 November 11 16:18 GMT (UK)
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Hey there all, i was wondering if i could possibly get some help. i have tried starting on my Dad's side of the Family Tree but with little Success, riddled with Brick Walls i havent been able to get very far.
His Father was Jack Murdoch born 06/09/1914 to William Murdoch and Kathryn Horan, he had a Brother Called Edward who was born in 1912, not really sure what his birth/baptism date was and also a sister called Margaret, not sure when she was born either.
Not much is know about the Parents, William married twice, Kathryn being his second wife, his first wife we believed died young. The first wife's name was Margaret McDowell, they married in Belfast's Registrar's Office on 22nd June 1883. and they had two children, William Robert Murdoch, born 1885 not sure again on the date but it is believed he married a woman called Elizabeth Joyce and he died 6th June 1939 and buried in Gilnahirk. he had a sister called Annie and she was born in 1887, married a man called John Swandel, 29th Dec 1911 but not much more is known.
Kathryn Horan apparently came from Down South, all we know is that her Father's name was Michael Horan which is stated on the Marriage Cert i got from Rootsireland and asked where she was living at the time just stated Belfast, i Cant seem to find her on Census forms for 1901 or 1911. William and Kathryn we know lived around the Fountainville Area in Gilnahirk, but that is all we know.
If anyone could help me out i would very much appreciate it. Many Thanks, Philip
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This looks like the Murdoch family in the 1901 & 1911 censuses:
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Pottinger/Knock_Avenue/1220701/
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Pottinger__part_of_/Gilnahirk_Road/228167/
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Impossible to tell if this is the correct Kathryn/Kate Horan but Kathleen's father is Michael-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Glasnevin/Altona_Terrace__Circular_Road_North/9281
And another Kathleen with father named Michael-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Rathmines___Rathgar_East/Belgrave_Square/53190
Another Kathleen with father Michael-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Galway/Kilmalinoge/Gortawullaun/472716
However, if Kathleen was not in father's household in 1911, her father had already died, etc. there are lots more possibilities.
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Sorry Aghadowey thanks for looking but i think you misread her name, it was Katherine Horan not Kathleen. And thanks Elwyn Soutter for finding William and his family on the Censuses.
At the moment i would like to see if there is any more info abt Kate Horan as i know very little about her.
Many Thanks
Philip
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No, I didn't mis-read her name- Kathleen is a form of Katherine/Catherine and is interchangeable.
I searched 1911 census for Kat* Horan but not Cat* Horan- as I said really too many possiblities.
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Ohh right sorry, i beg your pardon, but yea ive no idea if any of them wud be her or not, apparently she worked in Belfast for a while before she met William Murdoch, you would like to think she wud have been on the 1911 Census in Belfast somewhere.
Many Thanks
Philip
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If you search the 1911 census for Horan with no forename, + Antrim and then Down (which together cover all of Belfast) you'll see just a handful listed. Less than a dozen in the 2 counties and Belfast. None has the forename Kate/Kathleen/Katherine etc. It does not appear she was living in the area at that time. Or she was away on census night anyway.
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I searched for Kat* Horan, single, in all counties but as I said so many possibilities so you could try yourself.
The marriage certificate should list father's occupation and will list Kate's address at the time of the marriage which might help.
Earlier I searched for Horan (no first name) in both Antrim and Down without results which is why I widened the search to all counties. See here (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1911&surname=horan&firstname=&county=Antrim&townland=&ded=&age=&sex=&search=Search&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&birthplace=&language=&deafdumb=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=) for Antrim results (only 6 and none close to Katherine) and here (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1911&surname=horan&firstname=&county=Down&townland=&ded=&age=&sex=&search=Search&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&birthplace=&language=&deafdumb=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=) for Co.Down results (none here either).
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Thanks Elwyn, she should have been listed somewhere if she was in Ireland when the Census was taken, thanks also Aghadowey, i got the marriage details on Rootsireland and all it says was that she was living in Belfast and no street name.
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I have to admit ive just realised ive made a horrible mistake, Kate Horan's father's name was Matthew Horan instead of Michael, i have no idea where i got Michael from but i hope somebody could help me out with trying to find out more info about this woman.
Many Apologies, Philip
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With the 'new' name for her father suggest you re-check possibilites in 1911 census but as before this will not be easy.
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Yep thanks i did a very thorough search, there is 2 families that could possibly relate to her but ive no idea what her Father's occupation is to distinguish any possible ties. She's a hard one to find any info on unfortunately.
Thanks, Philip
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I am looking for a Matthew Horan who was born in Ireland app 1886 who was on the 1901 register in Manchester England, and had a daughter Catherine Horan (1906–1935) and Maria Horan (1907–), this is my Husbands great Grandfather and Catherine is his Grandmother but I cannot get any further information, so I would be grateful if you can provide anything that will help...
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I am looking for a Matthew Horan who was born in Ireland app 1886 who was on the 1901 register in Manchester England, and had a daughter Catherine Horan (1906–1935) and Maria Horan (1907–), this is my Husbands great Grandfather and Catherine is his Grandmother but I cannot get any further information, so I would be grateful if you can provide anything that will help...
Matthew Horan's marriage certificate should list father's name and occupation (it may be that they also moved to the same area) and then you might be able to get them in census (1901, 1911 in Ireland or English census records). The 1911 English census tends to be more likely to list a place of birth in Ireland- we can't do lookups for it but you can search yourself (www.familysearch.org is free and will give extract which should, hopefully, show a place in Ireland).
Once you get a location you can check church records (if the family were Catholic)-
http://registers.nli.ie/#home_map
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Hi There Anne and Welcome
Have you not gotten Catherine's birth cert yet ?
Obv. to get her mother's maiden name !
Tara
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Also . . .
Can you clarify . . .
You say Matthew was on the '1901' census in Manchester, two daughters.
Do you mean the 1911 Census ?
Tara
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Anne
You also need to ask for your part of this thread to be seperated and moved to the Ireland General board.
Press the 'report to moderator' thread and they will do it for you.
Tara
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Hi, He is on the 1901 as being in prison in England although I don't know what for and I cannot find any more information than that...