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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: HGauthier on Sunday 06 November 11 22:06 GMT (UK)
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Hi...I'm back! :)
I am finding it impossible to search for my 3rd Great Grandmother Hulda (Huldah Griswold). I cannot seem to find any documentation the matches her. All I know is that she died in Hastings Ontario on April 12th, 1878. She was married to William Green, they were married in about 1835. I believe she was born around 1812. I have her as being born in Canada (as found on her death notice), however the Green family all came from Connecticut, so it is possible that her family did as well. I am unsure of how many children they have, but my 2nd Great Grandfather would have been William Green (their son) b: 1882 d: 1934.
If anyone has any information I would greatly appreciate their help! :)
Thanks
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How could Hulda Griswold and William Green be the parents of William if he was born 4 years after Hulda died? And if Hulda was born about 1812, she would have been 70 years old in 1882 (if she were alive).
There is a marriage in the Ontario marriage database for a William Green marrying Mary Caverly(?) in 1894 whose parents are listed as William and Hulda Green but he was born about 1853.
Why do you think Hulda and William were the parents of William (born 1882)?
Jacquie
Note: Edited typo in year of birth for William Green. Should have been about 1853, not 1843.
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Have you seen this?
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~shunkfamilytree/FamilyTree/fam13847.htm
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My dates are all messed up. I know William Green and Mary Jane Caverly are the real thing...the rest I adopted from someone who is 'studying' the same line. Lena Ethel Green is William and Mary Janes daughter, and she was my great grandmother. I suppose I don't really have anything that verifies that William Green and Hulda Griswold are the parents of William Green ... I assumed that the other researchers must have known or found something.
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No I have not seen this link... I will check it out.
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I looked at this briefly, and I for the most part have all of that information, however..you leave a good question in my mind now... is it even accurate?
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There is another marriage for William Green as follows:
William Green, 24, born Rawdon, son of Wm and Huldah Green married Alice Smith, 21, born Rawdon, daughter of Henry and Phebe Smith on 10 Oct 1877 in Belleville, Hastings County.
There is a death for an Alice Green, age 32, who died 2 Jan 1886 in Thurlow, Hastings County.
I can't find any birth registrations at Ancestry for a William Green who was born in Hastings County in 1882. I also can't find any deaths in Ontario for a William Green who was born in 1882.
What information do you have on William (born 1882?) that you know for certain is true (marriage, children)?
Jacquie
Edited to remove information about child.
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I was able to find the marriage certificate for William Green and Mary Jane Caverly. The certificate shows the parents for William Green as William and Hulda Green... so I guess it is so..
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Hi,
The marriage certificate is all I`m going on (besides the previous research done by others) - It states that William and Mary Jane married in Hastings on Nov 28, 1894 and that William was 41 - which would indicate he was born in 1853 - The only children I know of is Lena Ethel Green
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Question removed.
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There is a birth registration for a Lena Green who was born 27 Nov 1881 in Hastings County and was the daughter of William Green and Alice Smith. Lena's marriage registration gives her mother's name as Mary Jane but that's likely because she never knew her birth mother since Alice died when Lena was just a child.
Jacquie
Note: I removed the comment about Clayton being any only child. My initial search didn't turn up Lena.
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Now that is very interesting... imagine that?
Wow...
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I just have to say...that is such a game changer... and I think you're right.. Thank you so much for helping me!
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Clayton Beryle Green was born 16 Oct 1878 in Sophiasburgh, Prince Edward County, Ontario to William Green and Alice Smith.
William, Alice and Clayton are in Thurlow, Hastings County on the 1881 census (starts line 13):
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/e/e328/e008176003.pdf
Even though William and Mary Jane didn't marry until 1894 it appears they were together prior to that as there is a birth for a Beatrice Green who was born 16 Sep 1889 in Rawdon, Ontario with parents listed as William Green and Mary Jane Caverly (this is a delayed birth registration made in 1954).
The only other birth I can find for William and Mary Jane was for a son, William Ernest Green who was born 26 Oct 1896 in Rawdon, Hastings County.
I haven't been able to find them on the 1891 census but William and Mary Jane with children Beatrice and William are in Sidney, Hastings County on the 1901 census (starts line 6):
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/ViewFrame.jsp?id=54653&highlight=6
Jacquie
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It looks like Clayton moved to the Cleveland, Ohio:
1st marriage:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-17963-22517-18?cc=1614804
A family tree at Ancestry indicates that he remarried in 1945. There is a death at the LDS site for his first wife in 1942:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/MSYD-785/p4
There is an index for Cuyahoga County, Ohio marriages which has a marriage between 1943-1945 for a Clayton Green.
Also, the Ohio deaths database at Ancestry has a death for Clayton in Cleveland on 6 Sep 1959.
1910 US census transcript:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/9XC3-YPX/p_520685109
1920 US census transcript:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/M8YT-DZL/p_311172395
1930 US census transcript:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/1Y1P-8QC/p_10378951813
Jacquie
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Thanks Jacquie... I feel like I have a whole new family to explore now...
It would appear though that Hulda Griswold is still an ancestor.. so I'm still searching for her. I'll be going through all the links you provided to me today on my lunch... maybe I'll run across something!
Thanks for all of this! :)
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To start you on your way, here's the 1871 Canada census entry for Alice Smith with her parents, Henry and Phebe in Rawdon, Hastings County (family starts on line 17):
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0gnw/
It took some time but I found them on the 1861 Canada census with names that were definitely spelled phonetically by the enumarator (I'll spell them as they appear so you will have an easier time finding them if you are able to search the census yourself):
Henery Smith, farmer, born Upper Canada, Baptist, 56
Pheby Smith, born Upper Canada, Baptist, 49
Polly Smith, born Upper Canada, Baptist, 23
Robert Smith, labourer, born Upper Canada, Baptist, 20
Daniel Smith, school master, born Upper Canada, Baptist, 18
Emely Smith, born Upper Canada, Baptist, 14
Henery Smith, born Upper Canada, Baptist, 12
Silas Smith, born Upper Canada, Baptist, 10
Allis Smith, born Upper Canada, Baptist, 5
I haven't been able to find the family on the 1852 Canada census.
There is a Henry Smith who died in Rawdon, Hastings County on 10 Aug 1883. He was 79 when he died. It also indicates he was a farmer, Baptist and born in Canada. Henry is listed as a widow on the 1881 census. I couldn't find a death for Phebe so either she died before registration started in 1869 or her death wasn't registered.
Jacquie
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Thanks Jacquie! Much appreciated!