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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Perthshire => Topic started by: snooki on Saturday 05 November 11 14:34 GMT (UK)
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Hi folks
Could anyone tell me what Bowhouse is ?
One of my ancesters was born there but i don't know if it was an address/street or district.
snooki
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Snooki,
What date are we talking about and what is the context? The only possibility I could find is that there was a farm called Bows which became part of Argaty estate, just outside Dunblane, in 1920; source "the Street and Place Names of Dunblane" by Archie McKerracher.
Alex.
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Snooki,
I think I have found what you are looking for. The Bows farm I mentioned in my previous post had previously been part of the Kilbryde estate. The History of Dunblane by Alexander Barty refers to the fact that church lands in Kilbryde were known as Boutoun, also spelled Bowton. He goes on to say that "The Bows farm was at one time in the occupation of three tenants known as Wester, Easter and Middle Bows. The name is a corruption of the Bow House". It looks like your ancestor was from the Kilbryde estate just outside of modern Dublane.
Alex.
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Wow
It is on his birth record 1780 Dunblane
John son to David Gow in Bowhouse ....
thankyou Sonofthom
snooki
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If someone lived in Bowhouse (bow of kilbryde) where are they likely to be buried ?
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Snooki, If you go to memento-mori.co.uk they list burials in Dunblane Cathedral; there are five Gows; James Gow 30/9/1849, age 80; John Gow, no details; Mary Gow, 21/04/1909, age 75; Agnes Gow, nee Crawford, 12/9/1884, age 71 and Marion Gow, nee Fairlie 15/10/1879, age 79. Dunblane Cemetery is more recent burials, but there are no Gows listed.
There is also a church and graveyard in Kilbryde; the following link gives some details:- http://arts.st-andrews.ac.uk/~cmas/site.php?id=129107. I am not familiar with this church and I am sure that it is not in use as a church now. Indeed Barty's history of Dunblane states that "the Kirk of Kilbryde being in a state unfit for worship... the inhabitants walked to Dunblane.." The index to this book is rather basic but I did notice a reference in the text to a list of licensed premises in 1831 which included Thomas Gow a grocer whose business was on Dunblane High Street. Hope all this helps. Alex.
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Thanks again Sonofthom,
i saw Gows in Dunblane (memento mori) but just wasn't sure if there were any graveyards or MI s for Kilbryde.
snooki
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Hi there, I was born and raised at the bows farm, kilbryde, argaty for 21 years. My family have been running it for over 200 years.the Cameron's of the bows. I am the granddaughter of Ian Cameron, former owner of the farm. The little church down the road is a private church where only Cameron's and Campbell's are authorised to be buried there, I'm sure it is not open for worship, but there's no harm on going to visit it.if anyone thinks their family may have occupied the bows then please get in contact as you may find we are related..!
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I've been researching the Drummonds in Kilbryde for some time now. The children of Colin Drummond were born in Bows/Bowhouse of Kilbryde between 1751 and 1766. The sponsor to one of them was David Gow. The next generation of Drummonds were born in Grangetown of Kilbryde between 1781 and 1793. Going back to the Gows - Donald Gow married Margaret Drummond and their children were Margaret b 16/6/1722, Duncan b 19/1/1724, Patrick bap 2/7/1724, Donald b 30/8/1727, David b23/2/1729 all in Bow of Kilbride. Alexander Drummond sponsored four of the Gow children. Does anyone know who the landlord of the Kilbryde Estate was and where I might get more information about the tenants?
Boab3
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Hi
You may find some information here
http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/digital-volumes/historical-tax-rolls/farm-horse-tax-rolls-1797-1798/farm-horse-tax-1797-1798-volume-11
I also did a search on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk on the wills and testaments search criteria leave all fields blank except description (title/occupation/place) in this field type kilbryde and search Dunblane commissary court it gives you all the wills for this area.
Yours Aye
BruceL
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Thankyou BruceL for your prompt reply and two good tips. There on the farm horse tax rolls were Grangetown and Bows along with names and other farms which I recognized. That gives me proof as to where they were in 1797-1798. Trying to find the origins of these Drummonds has been like wading through treacle. I strongly suspect that all roads are going to lead to Glenlednock.
Boab3
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I am new to this, but have been researching my Drummond line. My GGGGG grandmother Cathrine Drummond is shown as being born to Colin Drummond in Bowhouse of Kilbryde in 1751. I have not been able to find any further information about this line. Is there any additional information you might have?
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Hi Jodinichol: The children born to Colline (Colin) Drummond and Jean Fisher are:
Cathrine b/c 15/1/1751 Bowhouse of Kilbride (your tree)
Alexander & Isabel (twins) b/c 31/1/1753 Bowhouse of Klbryde
John b/c 11/6/1756 Bows of Kilbride (my tree)
Unnamed male newborn b/c 19/4/1759 Bows of Kilbride (witnesses James Drummond & David Gow)
Colin b/c 23/11/1766 Bows of Kilbryde
Do you have further information on Cathrine that you could share?
I haven't looked at the Drummonds for a wee while but I'd be happy to share any information I have.
Boab3
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Thank you, Boab3 for the information. :) I am not sure how much information you would like me to share about Cathrine. She married James Taylor 20 Aug 1772 in Muthill and had 4 children: John 3 Sep 1773, Robert (my line) 13 Oct 1775, Isabel 4 Jul 1778, and Elizabeth 26 May 1781.
Robert Taylor married Christian Comrie 06 Apr 1794 in Muthill. I can give you more information if you would like.
In looking at Colinne, I found that he was born in Garrichrew in Comrie (northwest corner of this map):http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/maps/series?xCenter=3166423.1188&yCenter=3350345.24991&scale=63360&viewScale=22677.1776&mapLayer=nineteenth&subLayer=first_edition&title=Ordnance%20Survey%20and%20Ordnance%20Survey%20of%20Scotland%20First%20Series&download=true (http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/maps/series?xCenter=3166423.1188&yCenter=3350345.24991&scale=63360&viewScale=22677.1776&mapLayer=nineteenth&subLayer=first_edition&title=Ordnance%20Survey%20and%20Ordnance%20Survey%20of%20Scotland%20First%20Series&download=true) His parents were James Drummond and Jannet Mcnaughtan, and Colinne had a sister, also born in Garrichrew, named Jannet (21 Nov 1725). Does this sound correct to you? Do you have anything to add? I can also share more images if you would like. (I live within walking distance to the Family History Library in Salt Lake City and can access lots of really neat images)
Thank you for your time! Jodi
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Yes - James Drummond and Janet McNaughton. You'll probably have the following information - The Act of Privy Council in 1603 made it illegal to use the McGregor name and forced the members of the clan to take an alias. Usually they took the name of a local Laird who guaranteed their behaviour to the Courts under threat of severe penalties if they couldn't control their charges. The tenants were expected to fight under the Laird's banner whether they agreed with the cause or not. Colline Drummond was indeed born in Garrichruie which was on the Earl of Perth's (James Drummond) estate. There were 13 families in Garrichruie - Duncan McNaughton, Hugh Drummond, Duncan Neish (married to Eliz Drummond), John Comrie, Duncan Drummond, Patrick Forbes, James McNaughton, Wm Riddoch and John McNaughton + 4 cottars. Duncan Drummond was the main leaseholder of Garrichruie. When the Earl of Perth's estates were forfeited several farms formerly possessed by many tenants were given to one person so the tenants were forced to move on. There seems to be a link with the Campbell's somewhere along the line whether it was through marriage or whether they were 'bonded' at one time to Sir Colin Campbell who owned Aberuchill Castle (Glenlednock) and the Kilbryde Estate (Dunblane). Kilbryde is where Colline Drummond moved to. So I suspect our Drummonds were formerly McGregors. I may be wrong Jodi. I'm not a professional genealogist and I stand to be corrected. I haven't been able to visit the archives at Perth or gain access to Kilbryde estate papers. Perhaps that's where the answers are ???
Boab