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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Mell100 on Saturday 05 November 11 08:15 GMT (UK)
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I am having trouble finding the birth of: David Davies (or Davis) b.abt 1802 in Little Hulton. His 2nd marriage listed his father as Edward, and there was an Edward Davies of about the right age living in Little Hulton on the 1841 census, with his wife Mary. I've managed to find 11 children of Edward and Mary baptised between 1805 and 1828 (at Wharton Presbyterian and later, at St Paul). However, I can't access records from before 1803 at Wharton.
Can anyone help me find out if Edward and Mary are David's parents?
Thanks
Mell
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in his second marriage his father is a miner,
so we are possibly looking for an Edward that is or was a miner,
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Yes, the Edward I found in the 1841 census was listed as a Miner. And the baptismal records for his children listed him as a collier (coal miner).
So, is it safe to say that this is the guy?
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There seems to be a gap doesnt there in the records,
Burial,
Edward Davies son of Edward and Margaret
father a miner,
abode Worsley
12th of August 1792,
Peel Chapel,Little Hulton,
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Edward Davies,
son of David and Jane
abode Little Hulton,
father a collier,
Peel Chapel Little Hulton
30 th of December 1840,
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The first baptism I can see for a David and Jane is 1824,
so I wonder if we can find this marriage,
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Possible first marriage,
David Davies,x of this parish,
Jane Grundy ,x of this parish
2nd Feb 1823,
St Mary the Virgin ,Eccles,
Witness Thomas Turner and James Grundy
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I think you will have Jane Grundy,
Jane Grundy,
daughter of Elizabeth Grundy
abode Worsley
1st of Jan 1804
Peel Chapel Little Hulton
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possible marriage,
Edward Davies,24 of this parish,
Mary Greenhalgh 19,of this parish,
25 th of Jan 1802,
St Mary the Virgin ,Eccles
witnessed by Thos Shaw and John Shaw,
married by banns
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Thanks Radcliff. You're on the right track with those records - David married Jane Grundy, and Edward married Mary Greenhalgh. I'm fairly certain that David is Edward and Mary's son, but I can't be sure without the baptism record. The opc website for Little Hulton doesn't have baptism's for Wharton Presbyterian before 1803. I think David was born in 1802, so I've hit a wall there.
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Thanks Radcliff. You're on the right track with those records - David married Jane Grundy, and Edward married Mary Greenhalgh. I'm fairly certain that David is Edward and Mary's son, but I can't be sure without the baptism record. The opc website for Little Hulton doesn't have baptism's for Wharton Presbyterian before 1803. I think David was born in 1802, so I've hit a wall there.
Baptisms at Wharton Lane Presbyterian Church only began in November, 1803, so it would be a case of finding another Presbyterian Church in the vicinity that was open at the time of David`s baptism. That is if they were Presbyterian prior to Wharton Lane opening.
Mo
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Any ideas where I should look? Considering they switched from Wharton Presbyterian to Peel Chapel (Church of England) with their later kids, they can't have been to worried about switching denominations.
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I did a quick search on ancestry.com to see if they held his baptism records, and instead found that someone has a photo of his gravestone. I'm not a member though and can't access it. So frustrating!
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Good Day, I have picked up old correspondence between you and Aidensrest about McBeath family from Glasgow etc, last known in Kidderminster. I want to add that I appear to be a descendant of one of the branches and have documents citing various family members. I would like to add my penyworth and add more.
Malcolm MCBeath
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Sorry Malcolm -- who was your message meant for?
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sorry. Am still learning this software. It was intended for Mosiefish who had been talking to Aidansrest but I have succesfully established contact with Aidansrest.
Thanks anyway
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Hi Mell,
David Davies was the son of my ancestors Edward Davies and Mary Greenhalgh. Although no baptism can be found for him his son Amos came to Australia and brough out his uncle Israel. Amos' uncle Enoch, my ancestor, was already in Australia having been contracted by the Australian Agricultural Company. I have quite a bit on this family I can share with you if you let me know your email address.
Regards,
Ryan Dudley
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not sure if this is any hlep - ive been researching my family for a few years mainly around leigh by recently from little hulton , although i dont have the name Davies in my tree - I have many relatives buried at wharton Pres
you may find the following info useful -
I have found marriages at St Marys Deane Bolton as this was a much earlier church
some at Worsley, Eccles , and they did use wharton and alos st pauls peel church as they were on manchester rd.
I would not rely too heavily on the lancs on line for St marys Deane , there are three 'batches' missing and they havent been transcribed on line yet ( not a fault of Lancs on line but they have e mailed me about the 'problem')The records can still be found on family search - (very fiddly )
I visited the burial ground at wharton and its a lovely place very out of the way and took pics
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hi , I have been looking for a record for a David jarvis about 1800 - but couldnt find it - when i posted a message on ancestry i got this reply - from a member :-
Have you considered that the burial record maybe a mistranscription. I checked LancashireOPC for births circa 1827 in Little Hulton as death for Mary Jarvis daughter of David and Jane states aged 3 and found baptism record: 11 June 1826 Peel Chapel, Little Hulton - daughter of David Davis & Jane - Abode: Worsley - Occupation: Collier.
1841 census search in Little Hulton has:
David DAVIS (coal miner), wife Jane and children Jacob, Amos, Mary (born c1837), Margaret and Edward.
1851 census search in Little Hulton has:
widowed David DAVIES with children Jacob, Amos, Mary, Margaret, Edward, Elizabeth and Thomas.
No sign of David Jarvis (or similar) with wife Jane in 1841 or 1851 census.
Do you think it possible that Jarvis in the burial record is a mistranscription of Davis?
i found this burial record and thought it was one of mine as it was jarvis -
Mary Jarvis age 3- daur. of David & Jane Jarvis of Little Hulton buried 19 Jan 1830 Peel Chapel, Little Hulton
We seem to think there may have been a transcription error and someone has mistaken the name davies for jarvis . im conected to JARVIS not DAVIS -
its strange as i was just looking for this particular family and couldnt find a birth for him - but this burial record doesnt fit with my tree -
As its a bit confusing now and ive only just got that reply from the other memeber ill have a closer look at this
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not sure if this is of any help this is the mistake we found -
Mary Davis - Daughter of David (occupation Collier) & Jane Davis of Worsley bap 11 Jun 1826 Peel Chapel, Little Hulton,
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Mary Jarvis aged 3 - daur. of David & Jane Jarvis of Little Hulton buried 19 Jan 1830 Peel Chapel, Little Hulton
hopefull it may be of use to you or someone who reads this as it looks like a trans error - no sign of a David jarvis for this period - mine was born a little bit later