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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: BAC3 on Friday 04 November 11 19:56 GMT (UK)
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Hello Listers,
Any help much appreciated with post-transportation BDM information for the following:
(i): DUDLICK, Henry, born Spitalfields, London, c1829, Father John
Mother Elizabeth, arrived Williamstown 25/01/1848 aboard the "Marion".
(ii): TREVILLIAN, Edward, born Poole, Dorset, 0512/1828, Father Job, Mother Ann, arrived Williamstown 04/05/1847 aboard the "Thomas Arbuthnot".
I have searched TROVE, IGI, firstfamilies2001 and on-line BDM Indexes but no success.
Thank you in anticipation,
BAC3
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http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/convicts/park8.html
This has all the details correct except for the age???
It says:
Thomas Arbuthnot - arrived in VIC in 1847
The 621 ton ship 'Thomas Arbuthnot' was under the command of Captain John Thomson and was said to have begun her voyage at Portsmouth/Portland on January 10, 1847. She then travelled to the Isle of Wight where she took on 89 Parkhurst boys. She left there on January 11, 1847 and set out for the Port Phillip Settlement (Victoria).
Trevillian Edward 7y 9 Trial place Dorchester 28 06 1842 stealing a chain Retrained as a tailor; refer - Ref HO 11/15 p144
May just be a coincidence.
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Same for a Henry Dudlick:
http://members.iinet.net.au/~perthdps/convicts/park10.html
Marion - arrived in VIC in 1848 SOURCES
The 684 ton ship 'Marion' sailed under the command of Captain Charles McKerlie. She was said to have put in to the Isle of Wight on September 17, 1847 where she took on 126 Parkhurst boys. She is said to have finally set out from London on September 29 on her way to the Port Phillip Settlement (Victoria) after stopping in Van Diemen's Land (Tasmania) on the way.
The 'Marion' was said to have arrived in Victoria on January 25, 1848 and discharged her Parkhurst boys in Williamstown
Dudlick Henry 10y 17 Trial Place Sandwich 04 04 1844 stealing aka [DUDLECK]; refer - 'HO 11/15 p216'
The matching records for both are:
http://www.convictrecords.com.au/convicts/trevillian/edward/15170
http://www.convictrecords.com.au/convicts/dudlick/henry
hope I'm not going down a false trail here......
PM
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Pastmagic,
Thank you for all your efforts putting these details together but, as you remark, you "are going down a false trail" because this is the pre-transportation information. My major problem is tracing these "Exiles" after they disembarked at Williamstown, Port Phillip.
I had thought with such unusual names I could find some hints through TROVE especially, but sadly I have met that old brick wall.....they just seem to vanish!!
For the moment my thanks once again,
BAC3
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Edward T born 0512/1828, arrived Williamstown 04/05/1847 - that would make him 19, but the record says 7y 9 months, that was what I was wondering about. Makes looking for records confusing if we don't know the correct age.
I see from your earlier posts you are researching the fate of all the Parkhurst "Convict" boys after they arrived, What I was wondering was the correct date of birth, for BMD's but in any case as you rightly say they don't pop up in any of the usual places.
For anyone else interested, I found this site very engaging, and got totally sidetracked:
http://tasmanianphotographer.blogspot.com/2007/04/parkhurst-boys-on-board-fairlie-1852.html
PM
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Pastmagic,
The 7y (years) stated for Edward TREVILLIAN is the term of transportation and the age shown as 9 is incorrect, probably should have been transcribed as 19, the age he was on arrival.
For now,
BAC3
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I too had an exile in my research and found nothing about him in the 7 years between his arrival and his marriage.
But while researching other convicts I discovered that many altered their names:
Vickers / Bickers
Godwin / Goodwin
Beechy / Beechey / Beachy /Beachey / Beech / Beach
Osbourne /Osborne / Osborn
Have you checked Trevallian or Pudlick /Publick as possible variations.
Wild card searches eg T*v*n or *udli* can be useful as we often tend to get fixed on one spelling and names were recorded usually as they were heard and written phonetically a source of much confusion at times.
GOod luck
Robyn
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Thanks Robyn,
"Got the teeshirt" I'm afraid with absolutely no luck.....I even tried the archives for RootWeb, the Australia (1788-1868) companion website, and TROVE, using the same approach with the same result.
Frustratingly for DUDLICK I unearthed a partial Ancestry Family Tree, made contact and sent a copy of the details I had retrieved. No reply, no thank you......!!!
I had thought the unusualness of the names would have made research that much easier, especially with TROVE expanding everyday, so that was disappointing. Ah well, the pending tray grows daily fuller.
Take care,
Tony
PS: I remember William OSBORNE quite well
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Hi
I thought researching Emms would be easy but it is not so. Most of the Emms in Australian records pertain to two other families with this name not connected at all to the one I am researching.
Unusual names can prove frustratingly difficult to trace. Have you looked at NewZealand reecords yet? (Jst an outside of teh box idea)
good luck
Robyn
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Records state DUDLICK went to Tassy,,,
No records of him there...
Are you sure he didn't go back??
Bored
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Hi Tony,
I think there was uncollected mail waiting for him in Melbourne in Feb 1850
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/4770972 7 March 1850 The Argus
Your Exiles "Pending Tray" must be growing higher and higher
Cheers, JM
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Hi Tony,
Would you like a search for a Henry HADDOCK? There's a 74 year old chap mentioned in this cutting
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/10191108 14 September 1908 The Argus.
Haddock would be a possible translation if seeking to alter his surname.
Cheers, JM
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quote author=Monaro Area NSW link=topic=564570.msg4174940#msg4174940 date=1320667463]
Records state DUDLICK went to Tassy,,,
No records of him there...
Are you sure he didn't go back??
Bored
I think the Tassy link may relate to the fact that the ship "Marion" on which he was transported actually stopped at Hobart en route to Port Phillip.
BAC3
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Hello JM,
Sadly I had unearthed the TROVE reference in my fossicking to the usual expletives of frustration!!! You always want to know the contents and the "Sender" of these Dead Letters because they are stonewall sources.
However...........................I have never been very keen on HADDOCK, except when it is smoked, simmered gently in milk and then eaten with slices of fresh farmhouse bread and unsalted butter!!! But thank you for the offer anyway.......I think the link may be too difficult to establish.
Take care
Tony
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hmm
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/29763550
refers to a birth in NSW mothers maiden name was Puddlick quite a close variation for Dudlick but you have most likely already found this and ruled it out.
Robyn
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Thanks Robyn,
Had a wander through TROVE.....I think the name was PUDDICK under the Birth's column you referred to.......and then tried PUDDLICK, but nothing sadly. The interesting reference was JM's find under the "Dead Letters" advertisement, which at least confirms he knew he was going to Melbourne, where he worked for a William Hall of Williamstown for the first 3 months. Maybe the goldfields were the black hole he vanished into.
I think Mr. DUDLICK's destination is inevitably the Pending Tray.
Take care,
Tony
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Could it be possible he died young? Have you tried death records?
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Could it be possible he died young? Have you tried death records?
Good thoughts !
May I speculate this could be a death associated with perhaps a son for Henry?
Wm Hy DIDLOCK, death at North Richmond, Victoria at age 85, in 1947 (b c 1862). Mother recorded as Hannah RALPH. # 7101
Cheers, JM
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Thank you for the thoughts,
I had looked at the death records for all Australia (except Victoria) but there were no real connections other than possibly for TREVILLIAN in NSW, although the parents did not match. Incidentally, PROV BDM Records are not exactly user-friendly and I refuse to countenance their demands for upfront payments just to view possibilities. I say this because there were some 500 odd Parkhurst Prison "Exiles" sent to Port Phillip and can you imagine the outlay necessary in PROV search outlays!!!
DIDLOCK was a good idea, but the trace did not lead to anything conclusive sadly. I think these 2 out of 500 can be quietly forgotten in the "Pending Tray"!!!!
Take care,
Tony
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Tony you don't need to use the VIC BDM online search & pay to view.
Several of us here on RC have the VIC BDM indexes (and several others) which are far more searchable than the online system.
Should you ever need look ups just place your requests here & one of us will see them :D
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http://home.vicnet.net.au/~pioneers/pppg5am.htm
Maybe there would be some mention of him in this document?
PM
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Thank you Merlin,
The Digger Victoria Pioneer Index 1836-1888 CD-ROM I have has stood me in good stead but, unfortunately, it now malfunctions causing me to have to reboot, so I have lost a good facility.
The look up invitation is too good to refuse. As long as no-one minds frequent requests to research odd names, such as DUDLICK and TREVILLIAN. My research on Parkhurst Prison 1838-1864 covers 4,000 names but Victoria and the 500 ex-Parkhurst Prison "Exiles" transported to Port Phillip has always proved the most difficult to retrieve information and where I have asked for help. TROVE and the way it has recently expanded is proving a godsend however. By the way, with some of these 500 I have family histories recorded by Parkhurst Prison which will be of interest to descendants.
For the moment,
Tony
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Worth remebering when searching that the record gives as following:
Dudlick Henry 10y 17 Sandwich 04 04 144 stealing aka [DUDLECK]; refer - 'HO 11/15 p216'
PM
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;D Henry Dudlick was the only lad from the Sandwich Sessions that I have seen on the "Exiles" indexes at the NSW SRO. I presume that is Sandwich, Kent :D
17 years of age and sentenced to ten years and sent half way around the globe. Aghhhh.... harsh punishment
PM, JM :-[ had not noticed DUDLECK, but JM will look further now that PM has alerted JM ;D.
Cheers, JM