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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Westmeath => Topic started by: howe02 on Friday 04 November 11 09:10 GMT (UK)
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Tracing history starting with Ellen Fleeson and Mr Fleeson married about 1790 - Delvin, Westmeath
Children - Plunkett Fleeson, Emily Fleeson, William Fleeson, and maybe John Fleeson
Plunkett Fleeson married Eliza Fleeson about 1824 - children ???? John 1826 James 1827 Thomas 1833 Emily 1837
We are related to Emily 1837 who married James Elliott in Ireland about 1861 Killcun and travelled to England and then to Australia
Any other information would be great
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Do you know what denomination your Fleeson family were ?
All the births you mentioned are before the start of full civil records in 1864, so you would have to check to see if church baptism records are availabale.
Non-Catholic marriages were registered from 1845 - so the James Elliott / Emily marriage would have a civil record if they were Church of Ireland for example..
see :
Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
My Ancestor came from Ireland - where do I start? (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,498742.0.html)
Shane
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Plunkett Fleeson married Eliza Fleeson about 1824 - children ....
We are related to Emily 1837 who married James Elliott in Ireland about 1861 Killcun and travelled to England and then to Australia
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There's an extracted marriage record on FamilySearch with similar names and location - date is a little different however.. maybe a relation of the family you mentioned..
Groom: Plunket Fleison
Bride: Elizabeth Price
Marriage date: 28 May 1840
Location: Killucan, Co. Westmeath
The film given is 101011 and this includes a likely source for this marriage
Parish register transcripts, 1696-1835
Church of Ireland. Parish Church of Killucan
Includes baptisms, 1696-1795 with index;
burials, 1700-1772 with index;
marriages, 1787-1929;
churchwardens, 1699-1800.
Shane
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We are related to Emily 1837 who married James Elliott in Ireland about 1861 Killcun and travelled to England and then to Australia
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This marriage is included in Civil records, and an extracted version is available on FamilySearch :
Groom: James Elliott / age 26 (c1835)
Bride: Emily Fleeson / age 24 (c1837)
Marriage date: 29 Jan 1861
Marriage place: Killucan, West[meath]
Groom's father: Thomas Elliott
Bride's father: Plunket Fleeson
See : link (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/9SLC-6NT/p4)
The BMD index references for this marriage are :
Name: Emily Fleeson
Registration district: Mullingar
Event type: Marriage
Year: 1861
Volume: 8 / Page: 302
name: James Elliott
[Same refereces as Emily]
You can use these to order a research civil cert - which will give a few additional details, such as residences for the bride and groom, occupations, name of the church, witnesses etc
see :
Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433040.0.html)
Details included on a Marriage Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433042.0.html)
Shane
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Shane - thanks for that - we think Emily Fleeson and James Elliott - Mullingar had a son (John Plunkett 1861) in Ireland, and then went to London and had a daughter (Sarah 1863) and another son (Joseph Thomas 1866), and then came to Australia.
SARAH ELLIOTT is our great grandmother. We are looking for Sarah's birth details - we think it is now London as that is what is says on her marriage certificate but we are not sure (haven't been able to find it) the clue came when we found the son (Joseph Thomas 1866) of Emily and James - it was London (Highgate) - this is the name of family home in Australia so we think this is him but again not sure as the names at that time are very similar and therefore hard to prove exactly.
We originally thought Sarah Elliott may have been born in Ireland.
Thanks ................. Alison
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Shane - are there records to trace policeman - James Elliott was a police constable at some stage of his life - so we wanted to know if we can trace this in Ireland - the census in London says he was a constable - this will confirm we have the correct info
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Info on records:
http://www.whodoyouthinkyouaremagazine.com/take-it-further/jobs/policewebsites
Did find this:
Ireland's Royal Garrison Artillery
(The index contains entries sorted by surname, first name. Each item in the index points to the class and piece number. Index is created from records dated 1872 - 1915. The original documents are at the Public Records Office, Kew, England. and are in class WO96. Originals provide more information than the index. Think location refers to where stationed.)
James FLEESON Nenagh, Tipperary WO96/1442
Possible relative?
Child called Plunkett C of I - and it looks like this family had a tendancy to use the same names
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Westmeath/Delvin/Mooretown/881111/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Westmeath/Delvin/Mooretown/1778313/
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/f7127e0181682
An earlier Plunkett Fleeson C of I
See also (free on google books) Doris Fleeson By Carolyn Sayler p 22
Griffiths has only 5 results for this spelling, which include the Plunkett in Dublin and a James in Delvin.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ghk/
(footnotes on the Dublin ones:)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0ghl/http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~registryofdeeds/by_name/name103.htm
Also an Irish Plunkett F was instrumental in printing the first wallpaper in America! There is lots of info on line about him and the furniture maker.
Pm
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If James Elliott was a police constable in Highgate then I think the London Metropolitan Police would be the place to check.
Does the birth cert for Joseph mention this as his occupation ?
The police force in Ireland was the R.I.C. (Royal Irish Constabulary) and an index is available on the Ancestry website. To view the details you have to check microfilms which are available in several libraries and I believe in LDS FamilySearch centres.
Metropolitan Police records may mention if he transferred from the R.I.C. Probably the best place to find out if records are available would be the London & Middlesex board (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,24.0.html) here on RootsChat.
Shane
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PM and Shane - thanks heaps, I am on the journey of discovery, sincerely appreciate your assistance. Yes the family used the same names over and over which becomes confusing but fun. My aunty has Fleeson as her middle name and now we can explain to her why, and lots of Emily and Ellen along the way, regards Alison
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Looking for James Elliott birth about 1835 - he was 26 years in 1861 when he married Emily Fleeson Killucan, Westmeath and rego district Mullingar - father's name Thomas Elliott - no other information available at this stage except that we think he might have been a policeman. I was thinking of sending away for marriage certificate as this might provide birth place...............thanks again to everyone ....... Alison
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I was thinking of sending away for marriage certificate as this might provide birth place...............thanks again to everyone .......
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marriage cert will show current residences for the bride and groom, which may not be their birth places. Also worth noting that policeman were not allowed to serve in their birth county.
A marriage cert should show vital clues - e.g. his father's name and occupation, and also James's occupation at the time. If he turns out to have been in the RIC at the time, then his police records could show where he was born.. although this is given as just county of birth, which can make it difficult to follow up.
Shane
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PLUNKETMY NAME IS JOHN FLEESON MY GRANDFATHER ALSO JOHN WAS BORN IN 1843 THE SON OF PLUNKET FLEESON WHO MARRIED ELIZABETH ANDERSON IN FEB 1823 IN DELVIN .MY FATHER ALSO PLUNKET WAS BORN IN 1895 . I WAS BORN IN * JOHN.
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Hi John - not sure how to confirm if there is a connection because of all the similar names as I only have info that says Plunket Fleeson married Eliza Fleeson 1824 (1823?)- don't know Eliza maiden name. What other details do you have? Do you have any location details or census information. Details of any other children? Where are you from. I am in Australia - Emily Fleeson married 1861 to James Elliott is my connection and they came to Australia. I look forward to hearing from you again.
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I have identified Plunket Fleeson and James Fleeson living in Castletowndelvin in 1854 and this fits in with the Fleeson family I am looking for - Plunket Fleeson with daughter Emily born 1837. Anyone with information about Plunket or James please make contact, thanks Alison
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Lookup please death Eliza Fleeson 1883 Delvin, Westmeath, Ireland - (born 1803) thanks Alison - I don't have any details of her maiden name or parents or residence but was married 1824 to Plunkett Fleeson
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The only way to access the full details of a death are to order the cert from the GRO.
Death certs dont include maiden name, or any details of parents, except sometimes in the case of a child, where the informat is a parent.
See : Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,599538.0.html)
Details included on a Death Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433043.0.html)
The references on the BMD Index for that death, seem to be incomplete as these should include a page number. You usually require this reference so that a search is not required. Might be worth trying an order without this reference, although they may charge a little more than the usual €4 for a research cert since a search will be required.
Name: Eliza Fleeson
Registration district: Delvin
Event type: Death
Quarter and year: Apr - Jun 1883
Reported Age: 80 (est. year of birth 1803)
Volume: 3 / Page : ? ? ?
Shane
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Shane - thanks for all your advice, sincerely appreciate the assistance, thanks Alison
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H.I ALLISON. THE DETAILS I POSTED .ARE TAKEN FROM THE REGESTER OF THE OLD CHURCH OF SAINT MARYS DELVIN. ELIZABETH FLEESON NEE PRICE .DIED ON 17.5.1883.HER HUSBAND PLUNKET DIED ON THE 26.5.1874. THEY WERE MY GREAT GRANDPARENTS JOHN.
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John - trying to confirm details for Emily Fleeson who married James Elliott 29 January 1861 at Killucan - Emily's father is Plunket Fleeson
The marriage record has Emily as 24 years at marriage which is why I was looking for birth 1837 but the information is often not accurate, so I am interested to learn more about the records for the 1833 record.
Have you seen this record in your church parish records?
You mentioned an Emily or Ellen Fleeson 29 Sept 1833 - is this a birth date or a baptism date? Sometimes there is a considerabe time period between birth and baptism and sometimes the children of one family are baptised together.
As you are in Ireland are you able to explain the differences between the following place names
Castletown, Delvin, Westmeath, Mullingar as this might help to sort out the Fleeson families as they seem to have similar names, thanks Alison
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.......are you able to explain the differences between the following place names
Castletown, Delvin, Westmeath, Mullingar as this might help to sort out the Fleeson families as they seem to ...
The town of Delvin was previously known as Castletown or Castletowndelvin
Mullingar is the county town of Co. Westmeath Mullingar and located about 20km south west of the town of Delvin
Westmeath is one the the counties of Ireland, where all the above are located
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Thanks for the explanation - so I am thinking the Delvin and Castletown Fleesons are most likely connected and that any registrations with Mullingar district should still be considered, appreciate your time and effort, regards Alison
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.......are you able to explain the differences between the following place names
Castletown, Delvin, Westmeath, Mullingar as this might help to sort out the Fleeson families as they seem to ...
The town of Delvin was previously known as Castletown or Castletowndelvin
Mullingar is the county town of Co. Mullingar and located about 20km south west of the town of Delvin
Westmeath is one the the counties of Ireland, where all the above are located
Just the way it's written is a bit confusing Shane, so just to be clear Mullingar is the county town of County Westmeath.
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thanks never spotted that... corrected
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Shane - there was a detailed post from John addressed to James with reference to an Emily Fleeson that I am researching. Someone suggested it was on the wrong thread. It seems now that it has been moved. Are you able to tell me where because there is very useful information that matches some details I am looking for - I would like to make contact again with John, thanks Alison
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Shane - there was a detailed post from John addressed to James with reference to an Emily Fleeson that I am researching. Someone suggested it was on the wrong thread. It seems now that it has been moved. Are you able to tell me where because there is very useful information that matches some details I am looking for - I would like to make contact again with John, thanks Alison
besides your posts here on the Co. Westmeath there seems to be at least two other topics on the Australian board which mention Emily - see :
Shipping records UK to Australia 1865-1868 (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,564781.msg4820106/topicseen.html#msg4820106)
ELLIOTT family came to OZ 1867 (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,565884.0.html)
To check for any others see the search option at the top of the screen - just enter Emily Fleeson as a search term.
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Shane - thanks for the links, and the details on how to search for a topic. I am fairly new to this site and still learning to navigate. I have wondered how to find links and topics from the many amazing messages. Enjoy your day regards Alison
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Shane - found the message and used the search facility. I had been using the search box next to the login box, did not realize there was another search option for the message board, so thanks again for setting me on the right direction, regards Alison
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John - Trying to match your information - can you tell me what year Plunket Fleeson was born (son of Jame and Maria). Also where was this family in Ireland? I am looking for birth of Emily Fleeson perhaps Castletown/Delvin (daughter of Plunkett) born about 1837. Her marriage was registered as Killucan 1861 at aged 24years. Your post said the information came from St Marys Delvin - do you think this is same or different family - so hard to tell with all the similar names and dates, but I don't know the locations and whether it is feasible to think the same family or perhaps another branch and therefore need to find the relationship of both families, again thanks for the information.
Also looking for birth of John Plunkett Elliott abt 1861 and Sarah Elliott abt 1863 - children of above Emily Fleeson (father Plunket) who married James Elliott 1861.
Do you know the names of churches in Castletown?....... Alison
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ALLISON DATES I GAVE ARE THE BAPTISM AS THERE WERE NO CIVIL RECORDS IN IRELAND TILL 1863. AS THERE WERE ONLY TWO FLEESON FAMILY IN THIS AREA AT THAT TIME. PLUNKETT FDAS I HAVE ALREADY GIVEN . JAMES WHO MARRIED MARY BROWN. THEY HAD FOUR SONS DELVIN WAYBAPTISM WILLIAM .16.10.1842.HENRY .13.12.1844 .JAMES 21.6.1846.RICHARD 23.12.1849. BY THE WAY WILLIAM WAS THE FATHER OF DORRI S WHO BECAME FAMOUS AS A WAR CORASPONDANT .THERE IS A BOOK WRITTEN ABOUT HER LIFE. JOHN.
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John - thanks for the info ......... Alison
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John - have you found a baptism for Emily Fleeson born about 1837 - father Plunket Fleeson
She was married 1861 aged 24 years which is why we think born about 1837 but haven't found a birth record and we are interested to know the mother's name. The father (Plunket Fleeson) is listed on the marriage certificate. The wedding took place in Killucan, West, Ireland, 29 January 1861 - registered in the district of Mullingar
Can you relate this to any of the information you have from Delvin? Thanks Alison
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John - didn't understand your message.
Also looking for birth of any children born after Emily and James Elliott married 1861 - we think he was a policeman ............ Alison
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Hi John,
My great grandmother's name was Katherine Anne Fleeson from Co Westmeath, probably Delvin area, her mother was Mary Fleeson according to the 1871 census for Salford, Manchester England. She was born around 1840 married my great grandfather, Edward Gargan abt 1860 and had about 8 children, some in Ireland and some in England. Katherine died in Salford but Edward died in the states in 1906, he had joined his sons living in Lowell, MA. I looking for more info on her family and possibly where my great grandfather was born, his father was Paul Gargan. Thank you Dorothea
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Dorothea - if you find out any information please let me know - my Emily Fleeson was born around the same time about 1837 Westmeath with a father Plunket Fleeson, good luck with your research ..... Alison
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John - just trying to confirm possible brothers, sisters and mother of Emily Fleeson - her father was Plunkett Fleeson. I am thinking your grandfather John Fleeson born 1843 is a brother to Emily (she was born about 1837)
?? children of Plunkett - James b 1827, Thomas b 1833, Emily b 1837, Plunkett 1839, John b 1843
Thomas b 1833 - married Mary Jane Lloyd 1861
James b 1827 - married Catherine Robinson
Emily b 1837 - married James Elliott 1861
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John - trying to confirm the info you sent as follows:
MY NAME IS JOHN FLEESON MY GRANDFATHER ALSO JOHN WAS BORN IN 1843 THE SON OF PLUNKET FLEESON WHO MARRIED ELIZABETH ANDERSON IN FEB 1823 IN DELVIN .MY FATHER ALSO PLUNKET WAS BORN IN 1895
John - you
Plunket born 1895 - your father
John born 1843 - your grandfather
Plunket (father of John) married Elizabeth Anderson Feb 1823 Delvin
Another post says
TAKEN FROM THE REGESTER OF THE OLD CHURCH OF SAINT MARYS DELVIN. ELIZABETH FLEESON NEE PRICE .DIED ON 17.5.1883.HER HUSBAND PLUNKET DIED ON THE 26.5.1874. THEY WERE MY GREAT GRANDPARENTS
You are now saying that Elizabeth PRICE married Plunkett Fleeson (your great grandparents). This is different to him being married to Elizabeth Anderson. Did he marry twice? We have a marriage for Elizabeth Price and Plunkett Fleeson 28th May 1840
.................... Alison
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Shane - I finally have a copy of the James Elliott and Emily Fleeson marriage certificate. It doesn't add to what we already knew - 29 January 1861
James Elliott - 26 years bachelor - policeman - Killucan - father Thomas Elliott - farmer
Emily Fleeson - 24 years spinster - Killucan - father Plunket Fleeson - tradesman
Married in Church of Killucan, United Church of England and Ireland
Witnesses - James Fleeson and Francis Marsh