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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: Spanish_Eyes on Thursday 03 November 11 21:46 GMT (UK)
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This William James Sabiston was born in Fort Alexander and married Mary Catherine Fontaine who had children Jules James, Larry, Roland, Donald and Mary. I am trying to find birth dates and marriage date for William and Mary.
Jules who changed his name to Joseph is deceased and was born in 1947 and his brother Larry is deceased also. I am assuming that William James Sabiston and Mary Catherine Fontaine were born either very late 1800 hundreds or early 1900.
Thanks for any help......
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I have found an obituary for William James Sabiston who was married to Catherine Fontaine (her maiden surname is mentioned in the obituary) and the names of his children match the names you listed. He died 2 Nov 1989 and the obituary indicates he was 73 when he died which would give him a birth year of about 1916.
There is also an obituary for Mary Katherine Sabiston who died 22 May 1962 when she was 39 which would be a birth year of about 1923. The obituary does say she was born in Fort Alexander.
This William with son Larry appear to be the ones I found references to regarding an incident in 1972. One of the newspaper articles indicates Larry's mother had died in 1962 which matches this information. As well, William's age in the 1972 newspaper articles match this William's age. Did this William have a sister named Catherine Rose?
Jacquie
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Hi Jacquie,
This has to be the one I am looking for......I cant believe in one day I have found the 2 of them (William's). The information on Catherine sounds correct too....
Is it possible to send me the obits and newspaper articles so I can check them out?
Thanks' ..... George
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If you PM me your email address I'll send the obituaries and some of the newspaper articles. There were quite a few articles from 1972 so I'll send the ones that are the most detailed, rather than all of them.
Was Roland killed in an accident in 1972? It may be an eery coincidence but on the same page as one of the articles regarding what happened in 1972 there is another article about the accidental death of a Roland Sabiston of Bissett.
Jacquie
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Hi Jacquie,
I will send you my email address in a few minutes.....
I am not sure how Roland died but it sounds like the same person for sure. Perhaps you could send that article too.
Thanks' again, George
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Hi Jacquie,
I have gone over all the information you emailed me and to say interesting is an understatement. I haven't ever come across a family line with so much tragedy.
I wonder if there is any way to find out who this William James Sabiston's parents were?
I wonder if there is an obituary for Larry (Lawrence D.) in the Winnipeg Free Press as he has supposedly died too.
George
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http://automatedgenealogy.com
You can look at the 1901 and 1911 census and original documents at the above site.
In 1911, there are only 9 surname Sabiston's in Manitoba and only 36 in Canada. At least it will give you some names to look at and try to piece together.
I think the 1916 census for the prairie provinces is available at ancestry.
The 1921 census will be available for transcription sometime after 2013. Although it will take some time for that to be transcribed and available, it is something to watch for as well.
the 1881 and 1891 census are available at
www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/index-e.html
The original documents are also available to view at this site using pdf or jpeg.
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Hi valeriec,
Thanks...... I have these census's and have useed them many times over the years and I did have access to the 1916 at ancestry but I don't have the access anymore.
The parents I am looking for would be for William James Sabiston born in 1916 and his sister Catherine Rose Sabiston born in 1912. There are probably more siblings but I don't know of them yet.
George
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I did a number of searches of the 1916 census and couldn't find William or Catherine.
I did find an obituary for Larry David Sabiston (born 11 Nov 1948 - died 17 May 1994) but it only mentions two brothers - no parents or grandparents listed.
Jacquie
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It is interesting that they aren't in the 1916 census since William was born in 1916 and his sister in 1912. It makes sense that they had other siblings and possibly some born before 1912 or perhaps after 1916.
I did receive the other stuff you emailed and have them printed off and I also scanned the stories to make them bigger and easier to read. This definatley is an interesting family.....
George
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Based on something written in one of the articles from 1972, it appears the family had some aboriginal roots in Manitoba (the article mentioned one of the Sabistons was speaking Saulteaux). I'm not certain but it is possible that if they were living on reserve in 1911 and 1916 that they might not appear on the census. Maybe someone with more knowledge regarding Canadian census can let us know whether reserves were included on the "regular" census or if they were enumerated on a special schedule.
Jacquie
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If you go back through all the census records you will see that the Sabiston as being Scotch and Metis.
If you go to Library and Archives Canada at
www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/index-e.html
at top of page you will see Search, click there and then click on Ancestors Search, scroll down to Metis Scrip Records and enter Sabiston in the block for inquiry.
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forgot to add that most of the Sabiston's are listed as born in the NWT (Northwest Territories)
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Dollylee contacted me with a possible 1916 census entry but she didn't have time to post it here so I'll do it for her:
1916 census for Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta - Selkirk District, Manitoba
George Sebeiston, head, 55, born Manitoba, fisherman
Anne S Sebeiston, wife, age not given, born Manitoba
Mary Sebeiston, daughter, 13, born Manitoba
Donald Sebeiston, son, 7 born Manitoba
Mima Sebeiston, daughter, 5 born Manitoba
David Sebeiston, son, 3, born Manitoba
William Sebeiston, son, 3 months, born Manitoba
The age for William fits and it's possible that Mima could be a nickname for Catherine although that might be a stretch. That's the best we've found so far.
The words "Treaty Indian" are written over top of Anne's birth place and religious affiliation and in the "other languages spoken" column it says "Indian" for the entire family. I'm not sure whether the reference for "Treaty Indian" applies just to Anne or the entire family. Given the fact that at that time a native woman would lose her treaty status if she married a non-status native man, it seems likely the reference was to the entire family.
Jacquie
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found this information at the Hudson Bay company Archives.
the surname Sabiston and alternates goes back to the late 1700's and early 1800's. gives the orginal place in England and when they served with the HBC
I checked the Biographical Sheets and the Probate Records and names do pop up so you may want to google for info. I started the search with North West Territory Births.
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Hi Jacquie,
The family definatley have Indian in their line as the young lady I am doing this for is about 20 and she looks as Indian as you can get. I saw a few pictures of her father and an uncle and they look very Indian also. I am sure the Sabiston side will go back to Orkney and it is obvious they married Indian woman as a lot did in those days.
On our Sabiston side we have Indian woman in our family also and we all have our status for Metis.
I know for sure that William James was born in Fort Alexander which is an Indian Reservation and I assume his sister who was born about 4 years earlier was born there too. William and Catherine's son Jules (Joseph) James was born in Pine Falls which is an area right next to Fort Alexander and off the reservation. I believe that Roland and Larry (Lawrence) were born in Pine Falls too.
Many thanks to Dolly Lee and you of course for the assistance and it would seem that this George and Anne could be the parents of William James if no others are listed around that time.
Cheers, George
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Check the area for historicial and genealogy societies. It is amazing the information they will have that isn't available online. Examples could be scribblers with birth, death and marriage information that someone in the community wrote down. Some of the societies have church records as well or books that were written in the time period. I live in Nova Scotia and it is amazing what some of these little groups have managed to gather. Also check with the band council in the area as they may also have someone who has been researching band genealogy.
The Hudson Bay Records have lots of info and at least one of the Sabiston's had links to Orkney.
Good luck.
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Hi valeriec,
I have already emailed the band office in Fort Alexander but they haven't replied as of yet. I am sure someone in the community knew or knows who the family is.
I have all the Hudson's Bay records but this family is not part of them. Most Sabiston's that are listed with Hudson's Bay were brought over from Orkney as my Great Great Grandfather was in 1862. I have not been able to trace the link between this Sabiston line and ours but will maybe find it some day as well as 3 other family lines in Manitoba, 1 line in Ontario and 1 line in New Brunswick/Montreal.
There are also Sabiston's in British Columbia that I am working on to find the link as they say all Sabistons are related however distant.
If I don't hear from the band office in Fort Alexander by this weekend I will phone them next week and see what I can find out.
George
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Food for thought re: the Treaty Indian status of Anne in the 1916 census ....
Since it most definitely says Treaty Indian only for Anne, I wonder if she and George were actually not married in order to protect her Indian status? Her birthplace and religion appear to me to have been written over top of the 'Treaty Indian' in a different handwriting, as well as the other info added to her line. I expect George would not have treaty status if he was a Metis?
PB
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They may have been married by definition at that time but not legaly registered as a lot were back then. I have a lot of relatives going way back in Manitoba that were married according to tradition as they called it rather than my Government registration.
Can anyone send me a copy of this listing on the 1916 census so I can view it. What does it list for her birth place and religion..............
George
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Can anyone send me a copy of this listing on the 1916 census so I can view it. What does it list for her birth place and religion..............
Since I already have your email address, I have sent it to you using the Ancestry "share" function.
Your thoughts on why only Ann had "treaty Indian" on her entry make sense.
Jacquie
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Thanks' again Jacquie..... I have received it and will check it out. The dates seem to match William and Catherine (Mima) so I can only assume this is the family. I will have to try and find the parents of George Sebeiston (Sabiston) now and see if there is a link to Orkney.
George
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A pain to leaf page by page but if you want to look through here and check 1916 listings...they put all reserves together...so you need to look to right top for your area...Not sure if it will be under Fort Alexander or Sagkeeng....
pdf version may be easier to see which reserve http://www.rootschat.com/links/0gtb/
jpg version
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/census-1916/001100-119.02-e.php?&document_id_nbr=450&page_sequence_nbr=1
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Thanks'.... J.J.
When I first posted this thread I thought you would be the first to respond to me but I guess you were busy. Jacquie really helped me out which was very nice of her......
I will check out these sites you sent me and see if I can find this family line and perhaps confirm that William James and Catherine Rose's parents are George Sabiston and Anne (Native Indian). Catherine Rose being born in 1912 should show on the 1916 census I would think.
George
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Hi!
I have information about this family.
Roland was killed in an accident in 1972. He was my father.
Larry is passed away. Jules has passed as well.
Mary Catherine Fontaine was my grandmother. William James Sabiston was a rifleman with the Royal Winnipeg Rifles.
Please forward me the articles about the accidents. I was a baby when my father Roland passed.
Thanks!!
Ro laren
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This is my family! Grandparents and uncles and my dad!!
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Hi Rolaren39,
Welcome to Roots Chat......
I will send you my home email address so you can contact me directly.....
George
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George - can you forward me the articles? Its about my dad roland - i know how he died - yes it was an accident up north in logging.
Rolanda
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Definitely Indian in the Sabiston's. I'm Roland's youngest child and as Indian as can be.
Rolanda
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Hello, George! Yes...finally have a little work. Yay. You had a great helper in jacquie...she is from here as well.
Welcome to rootschat Rolanda. How nice that you carry your father's forname within yours. Do you know who your great grandparents were? ;D
J.J.
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Just to let George know, I've emailed all the Sabiston articles that I had found to Rolanda.
Jacquie