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According to family stoties my GG Uncle Thomas Willis 1735-1759 b Maldon Essex died at sea off Ccarborough.Hew as a mariner ,possibly on a coal barge. I have searched & searched for a death cert but have run out of ideas. I don't know if they would have taken him home to Essex or buried him in Yorkshire. Any ideas would be gratefully received-it's driving me mad !
Regards
Brenda
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>:( Oops- my revious post should have read 1831-1859 born Moulsham Essex
Sorry- partially sighted
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HELLO BRENDA
I,VE FOUND A DEATH RECORD FOR A THOMAS MILES WILLIS SCARBOROUGH 1840 JAN-MARCH VOL 24 PAGE 340
ALSO ONE FOR THOMAS WILLIS REG DIST LEYBURN YORKSHIRE OCT-DEC 1837 VOL 24 PAGE 226THESE AR THE ONLY 2 ,I CAN SEE FOR YORKSHIRE IN THE TIME FRAME YOU POSTED .
HOPE YOU DON,T MIND MY USING CAPITAL LETTERS IF YOUR SIGHT ISN,T TOO GOOD
REGARDS
TREVOR
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Thankyou so much Trevor for your prompt reply. I will look on the bmd site to see if these are possible now you have given me page no etc
I did find a Thomas Willis buried in Rillington,sent off for the caert (23.00) only to find he was only two weeks old ! I will let you know the result
Really appreciate the capital letters-make life a lot easier
Regards
Brenda
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I did find a Thomas Willis buried in Rillington,sent off for the caert (23.00) only to find he was only two weeks old !
Really appreciate the capital letters-make life a lot easier
Regards
Brenda
CERTS DO NOT COST £23. GRO cost £9.25 :o
www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates
Nanny Jan
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hi both
firstly Nanny Jan i read on one of the posts on here that someone rang the gro and asked them to check a ref to see if it was the person they wanted before sending off for the cert , have you heard of this practise ? only i,m thinking it may help Brenda save some money only these sites that charge extortionate prices need horse whipping .
SORRY BRENDA I WENT OFF ON A RANT THEN ;D BUT AS NANNY JAN SAYS NEVER EVER BUY CERTS FROM ANY WHERE ELSE THAN THE GRO DIRECTLY ALL YOU NEED DO IS GOOGLE GRO AND THE SITE WILL COME UP YOU WILL HAVE TO REGISTER WITH THEM I BELIEVE BUT IT,S ALL STRAIGHT FORWARD AND YOU WON,T GET RIPPED OFF LIKE BEFORE .
AND YES WOULD LOVE TO KNOW HOW YOU GET ON WITH THE RESULT .
BEST WISHES
TREVOR
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Hi,
I think you might be able to phone some local offices and they might check but I don't think it is generally done.
Nanny Jan
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thanks nanny jan
trevor
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hi both
firstly Nanny Jan i read on one of the posts on here that someone rang the gro and asked them to check a ref to see if it was the person they wanted before sending off for the cert , have you heard of this practise ? only i,m thinking it may help Brenda save some money only these sites that charge extortionate prices need horse whipping .
SORRY BRENDA I WENT OFF ON A RANT THEN ;D BUT AS NANNY JAN SAYS NEVER EVER BUY CERTS FROM ANY WHERE ELSE THAN THE GRO DIRECTLY ALL YOU NEED DO IS GOOGLE GRO AND THE SITE WILL COME UP YOU WILL HAVE TO REGISTER WITH THEM I BELIEVE BUT IT,S ALL STRAIGHT FORWARD AND YOU WON,T GET RIPPED OFF LIKE BEFORE .
AND YES WOULD LOVE TO KNOW HOW YOU GET ON WITH THE RESULT .
BEST WISHES
TREVOR
still ranting TMO will you ever change ;D ;D ;D
Ronnie
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Thanks all- Ive learned my lesson there. I got it via ANC.co.
Bad move
I haven't got any further as yet but it occured to me that I haven't got a birth for him either although he comes up on several census' with the right parents but I'm wondering if he was baptized with another name but was known as Thomas (as they did!) I've tried William (His Fathers name) Thomas but no luckBack to the drawing board ???
Brenda
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HI BRENDA
DON,T FRET WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES , I,VE JUST LOOKED AT THE MOULSHAM BIRTH RECORDS FROM JUNE 1837 WHEN THEY START TO 1868 BUT NO LUCK SO LOOKS LIKE HE WAS BORN EARLIER AT LEAST IT HELPS TO SHORTEN THE BIRTH YEARS YOU HAVE .
WHAT I DID FIND WHILST LOOKING WAS THE FOLLOWING BIRTHS FOR AN ELIZA REBECCA WILLIS BPT 3 FEB 1847 MOTHERS NAME MARY WILLIS , A SINGLE WOMAN ADDRESS MOULSHAM STREET AND WITH THAT CELIA WILLIS BPT 3 FEB 1847 MOTHER MARY WILLIS , SINGLE WOMAN ADDRESS MOULSHAM STREET , NOW LOOKING AT THE 1841 CEN FOR THOMAS HE HAS A SISTER MARY ? I WONDER IF THE ABOVE IS THE SAME ONE AND POSSIBLY HAD TWINS . ANY HOW LET US KNOW HOW THINGS PROGRESS .
BEST WISHES
TREVOR
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RONNIE DEARHEART HOW IS YOUR JOLLY OLD SELF, STILL PROPPING UP THE COUNTER IN COLCHESTER LIBRARY ON A MONDAY ? ;D ;D ;D.
TREVOR
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Hi
A death registration in the General Registry Office domestic indexes in the C19th really required a body. If he died off shore because he drowned it would need his body to have come ashore and to be identified. If it came ashore further down the coast or later it may not have been identified in which case the death would be registered as unknown.
If he died aboard the coal barge then the death should have been registered where-ever the coal barge next put into port. Because of the expense of trying to keep a body without modern equipment, you would expect the body to be buried locally, unless the family had sufficient money to have it returned to be buried locally.
There is a possible burial in Whitby further up the coast from Scarborough (20 miles)
2nd January 1859
Thomas Willis aged 18
Is this the family on the 1841 census? If so the 1859 burial would be about the right age.
HO107 325/10 folio 17
Markhams Passage Moulsham Essex
Elizabeth Willis 45 Widow (crossed through)
Mary Willis 15
Joseph Willis 15
Mark Willis 13
Thomas Willis 10
all put as Lab, all born in county
1851 census HO107 1775 folio 429
Moulsham Essex
Elizabeth Willis 58 Head Widow Felstead Essex
Mary Willis 26 Daughter Chelmsford Essex
Cecelia Willis 6 Daughter Chelmsford Essex
plus 1 servant
If you think the Whitby burial is a possibility it might be worth contacting Whitby registration office to see if they hold the death certificate.
http://www.northyorks.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=2861&contactid=5659
Regards
Valda
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HI BRENDA AND VALDA
FIRSTLY THANKS FOR YOUR INPUT THAT INFO ON DEATHS IS USEFUL TO KNOW .
BRENDA
I HOPE YOU DON,T MIND BUT I,VE E MAILED BOTH SCARBOROUGH AND WHITBY LIBRARIES TO SEE IF THEY HAVE NEWSPAPERS FOR 1859 IN WHICH THE DEATH MAY HAVE BEEN RECORDED SO WILL HAVE TO SEE WHAT COMES OF THAT .
BEST WISHES TO YOU BOTH
TREVOR
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Hi
North Yorkshire list their historic newspaper collections
http://www.northyorks.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=4330
Regards
Valda
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HI BRENDA
DON,T FRET WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES , I,VE JUST LOOKED AT THE MOULSHAM BIRTH RECORDS FROM JUNE 1837 WHEN THEY START TO 1868 BUT NO LUCK SO LOOKS LIKE HE WAS BORN EARLIER AT LEAST IT HELPS TO SHORTEN THE BIRTH YEARS YOU HAVE .
WHAT I DID FIND WHILST LOOKING WAS THE FOLLOWING BIRTHS FOR AN ELIZA REBECCA WILLIS BPT 3 FEB 1847 MOTHERS NAME MARY WILLIS , A SINGLE WOMAN ADDRESS MOULSHAM STREET AND WITH THAT CELIA WILLIS BPT 3 FEB 1847 MOTHER MARY WILLIS , SINGLE WOMAN ADDRESS MOULSHAM STREET , NOW LOOKING AT THE 1841 CEN FOR THOMAS HE HAS A SISTER MARY ? I WONDER IF THE ABOVE IS THE SAME ONE AND POSSIBLY HAD TWINS . ANY HOW LET US KNOW HOW THINGS PROGRESS .
BEST WISHES
TREVOR
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RONNIE DEARHEART HOW IS YOUR JOLLY OLD SELF, STILL PROPPING UP THE COUNTER IN COLCHESTER LIBRARY ON A MONDAY ? ;D ;D ;D.
TREVOR
Hi there
Yes Trev I prop up the library whenever any one asks for info that Colchester Library Holds and I am fine thanks as you are of course ;D ;D
I was reading this thread and putting together Maldon , Barges, Mariners and some of the names,etc and knowing that boats do travel quite long distances wonder if this was of a vague interest to any of you
Marriage recorded at All saints Church Portsea July 12 1840 Thomas Willis of full age bachelor Foreman Gunwharf married Eliza Buckler
Parents were given as Thomas Willis (foreman Gunwharf) and Leonard Backler (master)
I am sure this is a red herring but thought I would toss it in for debate :)
Ronnie
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Sorry Me again
Will check the fiches for st mary the virgin Chelmsford tomorrow
and The Chelmsford Papers to see whats about ...fingers crossed I know there is a marriage for Jan -march for a thomas willis so could be something ther
Ronnie