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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kirkcudbrightshire => Topic started by: Ranger11 on Monday 31 October 11 21:38 GMT (UK)
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Hello
If anyone has a copy of any of the volumes of the Kirkcudbrightshire MIs would they possibly do a lookup for the surname Templeton.
Thanks
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Hi Ranger :)
If anyone has a copy of any of the volumes of the Kirkcudbrightshire MIs would they possibly do a lookup for the surname Templeton.
There are masses of them - could you narrow your request down by parish and, if possible, first names and dates, please.
You could maybe have a quick look through some of the parishes that are online here:
http://www.kirkyards.co.uk/allgraves.asp
gnu
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Hi
I've just checked through the indexes of all the parishes in Kirkcudbrightshire. There are Templetons listed in the following parishes ~
Carsphairn
Kirkcudbright
Kirkmabreck
Twynholm and Kirkchrist
Minigaff
Terregles
Troqueer.
Listing them all here would be very time consuming (each MI has to be looked up in the individual parish index and then typed out) and would probably breaching copyright as there are far more than an 'odd look up'.
I think that you really must be more specific with parishes and dates.
gnu
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Hi Ranger,
I note your interest in Templeton. I helped a Wigtownshire Rootschat Forum member with that name earlier in the year. I'm one of the small group of DGFHS member volunteers in Dumfries. One of my duties is to manage the DGFHS database of MIs. We offer unlimited database searches as a service to members and we will do a small number of different name searches as a courtesy to non-members.
Since you are interested in TEMPLETONs I can tell you our database has MI details from 70 gravestones with that TEMPLETON name on them. Unfortunately they are mostly in Wigtownshire and NOT Kirkcudbrightshire. There is a reason why our MIs database is sparsely populated with KKD data, but I will not go into that here and now.
If you are interested in having a copy the 70 MIs you would need to contact me by PM with an email address that accepts attachments. I would send a file in RTF readable by any wordprocessor.
Cheers,
Sy
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I hit my brick wall with a John Martindale born in Kirkcudbright in 1828. I found him on the 1841 census aged 12 living with an Anderson family. I am very curious about who his parents were. There is no available birth record, and nothing on his brief marriage notice, I spoke to Scotland's people who say the death certificate is unlikely to have the names of parents, so I am wondering whether there may be somewhere in Kirkcudbright an MI for his parents?I wonder whether the person with access to the Mi list would be able to check this for me. The good thing is the name is rare in Kirkcudbright,so that should make a search easier. Thanks to anyone who might be able to help. Corriebell
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... the name is rare in Kirkcudbright ...
The name is also very rare in the rest of Dumfries and Galloway !
The DGFHS MIs database of 100 thousand burial records, mostly pre-1855, covers 8 thousand different family names and there isn't a single Martindale listed. Reference to the 1901 census (also a DGFHS index) list none in Wigtownshire or Kirkcudbrightshire and only 18 in Dumfriesshire.
Of the 18 Martindale names listed, all but one are post 1855 births located fairly close to the English border. This suggests to me that the name Martindale is English rather than Scottish.
Sy
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Thank you Johner for your swift reply and the informaton you have given.
My Martindale family spent their lives in Hutton-Corrie Dumfriesshire, except for a few strays in the Manchester direction and an early period of ten years in Derbyshire.
Yes you are right--the name appears to originate in the place name Martindale in The English Lakedistrict. That is why I'm wondering how John came to be born in Kirkudbright as all the evidence states. Did the parents have a quick trip over to Scotland for the birth, and then disappear back to wherever they came from, leaving him behind-perhaps they wanted a Scottish lass!
There are so many Martindales not only in Westmorland but scattered around the world I think I will now hang up my detective hat --I just had to have a last try on Rootschat, and I appreciate your response.
Sincerely, Corriebell
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Had a further look for Martdindale family name in the MIs of Kirkcudbrightshire.
Located only two occurrences to Martindale as a middle name both for the same person in two different graveyards.
Janet Martindale COWPER wife of William BROWN.
The MI details are as follows.
1. Graveyard: TYNHOLM
John COWPER died Woodhead 22-4-1846 age 37
his wife Margaret JOHNSTONE died Ringford 21-11-1888 age 84
children Jane, Magaret & John died in infancy.
William BROWN died Ringford 5-3-1884 age 68
his wife Janet Martindale COWPER died Creamery Cottage 26-1-1913 age 85
James COWPER died Ringford 4-1-1936 age 80
2. Graveyard: SENWICK
John BROWN senior died Littleton 17-1-1835 age 67
his wife Jane Martin
daughter Agnes died Irelandton 13-3-1822 age 24
son James died Horsham Sussex 20-6-1822 age 20
son John died Irelandton 18-7-1831 age 27
son Alex died Holmfirth Yorks 10-2-1843 age 42
son William died Ringford died 5-3-1844 age 68
his wife Janet Martindale COWPER died Creamery Cottage 26-1-1913 age 85
Sy
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Thanks for your interest. I did find this Janet Martindale Cowper and at the time thought I was going to be able to break through by finding her parents or even Grandparents, but nothing fits! My Gt Gt Grandfather John, who is the one whose parents I am after, lived with this Anderson family in 1841 and on his MI is named John Anderson Martindale. He also named his last son Allan Anderson M.
This Janet M Cowper named one of her sons with an Anderson middle name too,but I still can't find any real connection, although I believe she may be John's sister John was born 1828 and Janet c1829.
Corriebell
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John & Janet's marriage certificates and death certificates (if in Scotland after 1854) should give their parents. Janet's death cert should certainly be available. Together these certs would determine if they were brother and sister. You said you tried Scotlandspeople for John, have you tried Scotlandspeople for Janet's certs?
Sy
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I haven't tried Janet's marriage or death certificate because I already know that her parents were John Cowper and Margaret Johnstone, and Margaret Johnstone's parents were John Johnstone and Janet Charters .
John Martindale was married Aug 7th 1853, and I was sent a brief record of this with no details at all.
Perhaps I should try his death certificate. What has put me off doing that is that "Scotland's People" had told me that because his death was reported by someone who was not a family member (He was widowed by this time and living as a boarder with a local crofter) his parent's names would not have appeared on his death certificate. He did however have daughters in Dumfries, so do you think they would have been consulted for information on his death certificate? I would gladly purchase a copy if there is a chance that the information has been there all the time!
Thanks again for your help so far,
Corriebell.
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You are right of course, Janet’s parents are given above – it is her mother who is possibly John’s sister. Scotlandspeople are also right. When a death is registered by a neighbour they are not likely to know the details of the deceased parents.
But I would add that you shouldn’t need to buy certs when using Scotlandspeople when you can view up to 25 search returns for 1 credit (23 p) and view a single page of the register book (i.e.3 or 4 cetts0 for just 5 credits (115p). You have to buy English certs but Scottish ones can be downloaded and viewd on-line.
Have a look at these clips:
Added: Only small sections of certificates can be added for help with deciphering. Thank you.
My apologies to Moderator MonicaL.
I've sent small clips before and these were acceptable. They were mostly in secretary script right enough. I find the 'rules' a little confusing on this point, sorry for this rule infringement.
Had I typed out out the detail in full rather than use a combined jpeg graphic would that have been allowed? Please clarify if it was the graphic or the content that broke the rule?
Thanks,
Sy
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Had I typed out out the detail in full rather than use a combined jpeg graphic would that have been allowed? Please clarify if it was the graphic or the content that broke the rule?
Hi Sy
It is OK to transcribe details from certificates (or census images) and include those details in your post. From the way you ask the question, it is the graphic that carries the copyright rather than the content.
When people have a problem with making out some of the content, including a small section of the original image is acceptable. It is only the posting of the entire image that causes copyright issues.
Monica
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Thanks Sy--or is it Johnner--I'm as confused as you are, for trying to be helpful, but as you say rules are rules--It's understanding them that is difficult--all to do with copyright.
I could just point out that Janet's Mother couldn't be John's sister because John and Janet are practically the same age!Nice try though! Corriebell