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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: ukgal on Sunday 30 October 11 19:59 GMT (UK)
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hi there!!
im looking for my grand-father and great grandfather!!...im afraid i dont really know very much about him!!
My Grandfather was from Ireland (presumably Armagh Area),...and he married my nan, in 1945, in Hampshire, England, after having 2 children, with her, he absconded back to Ireland,..where he re-married and went onto to have 3 more children!!!
I have Tracked down, who i think could be my great grandfather!!...he was shot dead, by the british army, in june 1922, age 37, york street, belfast!
we knew, that he was shot, and relatives say that John Ireland, our grandfather was born the day that Our Great Grandfather John Ireland was shot!
i dont have anyother info on either of these john irelands!,,,,so if anyone can shed anylight,..i would be eternally greatfull.....btw,..i do belong to ancestry,..but not really getting any info from there!!
kindest regards
Gina Ireland!
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Both the 1901 and 1911 Irish census are online (free). I searched for a John Ireland, age 6 in 1901 but there are none in County Armagh (and none born in County Armagh that age)- see here (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1901&surname=ireland&firstname=john&county=&townland=&ded=&age=6&sex=&search=Search&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&birthplace=&language=&deafdumb=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=)
Any idea what religion the family would have been? In 1911 census there's a John Ireland around the correct age in Armagh but he was born in Co. Down- see here (http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?census_year=1911&surname=ireland&firstname=john&county=&townland=&ded=&age=16&sex=&search=Search&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&birthplace=&language=&deafdumb=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=)
I don't think there are any Belfast online newspapers for 1920s.
Just thought of something- does the 1945 marriage certificate list father's occupation?
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Belfast online cemetery has death listed-
John IRELAND, age 26, died 23 June 1922 at Royal Victoria Hospital (buried 26 June 1922 City Cemetery - Glenalina Extension grave G290)- last residence was 5 Stanley Lane.
There might be other relatives buried in the same plot but it will take you a while to go through results if just searching by surname.
http://www.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialrecords/search.asp
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With the cemetery address, here's the family in 1911, including 15 year old John:
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Dock_Ward__Belfast_Clifton_/Stanley_Lane/131993
and here they are in 1901- no trace of any Co. Armagh connection:
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Dock_Ward/Wensey_Street/938115
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wow,..thanks for the swift reply!!
im sorry,..i dont have the actual marriage certificate, just the marriage entry, from ancestry.co.uk...so only includes bride/grooms names, date, and area, of marriage!!..we know John Ireland (jnr) died aged 58,..somewhere in Ireland,..family members persume Belfast area....he was supposedly born the day his father John Ireland(snr).aged 37 was a protestant, and shot dead, on the 21 june 1922, in york street, Belfast!!!
dont know the religion,...but being a protestant,....would that give anything away??
maybe if i could get a hold of the actual marriage certificate,...might help!!
thanks again
Gina
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The family in the census are Church of Ireland. Would you like me to keep looking and see what else I might be able to find?
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Belfast online cemetery has death listed-
John IRELAND, age 26, died 23 June 1922 at Royal Victoria Hospital (buried 26 June 1922 City Cemetery - Glenalina Extension grave G290)- last residence was 5 Stanley Lane.
There might be other relatives buried in the same plot but it will take you a while to go through results if just searching by surname.
http://www.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialrecords/search.asp
just this week I emailed belfastburials and asked them who all was interred in the family plot number they were very helpful and emailed me back with all names very next day
regards bloodties
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Found burials for most of the family but qute a few not buried in private plots-
? stillborn child of 26 Foster St., buried 2 June 1896 City Cemetery Public Ground (parents William & Ellen Ireland)
Edward Ireland (age 9) of 5 Stanley Lane died 10 Mar.1913 buried 11 Mar.1913 City Cemetery Public Ground
Ellen Jane Ireland (age 47) of 5 Stanley Lane died 14 Feb.1916 Union Infirnary, buried 16 Feb.1916 City Cemetery Public Ground
stillborn daughter 11 Mar.1934 of 5 Stanley Lane, buried 12 Mar.1934 City Cemetery Public Ground (parents Thomas and Margaret Ireland)
Thomas Ireland possibly died 1972.
William Ireland (age 66) of 7 Shipbuoy St., died 7 Apr.1935 buried 9 Apr.1935 City Cemetery Glenalina Extension grave F1 314
William Robert Ireland (age 50) of 7 Shipbuoy St., died 25 Mar.1939 at 51 Lisburn Rd., buried 27 Mar.1939 City Cemetery Glenalina Extension grave F1 314
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William Ireland, son of William Ireland, married Oct./Dec.1888 Belfast registration district (volume 1 page 312) to Ellen McKeown, daughter of Patrick McKeown.
Children with father William Ireland & mother Ellen McKeown-
Mary Elizabeth Ireland born 1894
John Ireland born 1896
Annie Victoria Ireland born 1899*
Alexander Ireland born 1900
Edward Ireland born 1904
* Annie Victoria Ireland age 2 of 28 Little Henry St died 14 June 1899, buried 17 June 1899 City Cemetery Public Ground (note: Little Henry St. also Dock Ward)
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A few notes on the places in Belfast mentioned-
Shipbuoy Street- ran from Nelson St. to Little York St. (Shipbuoy St. still there but doesn't show on Google Streetview)
Stanley Lane- off Little York St. (not shown on map but this area has changed greatly since WWII)
Little Henry Street- off Henry St. (1901 directory says 'a few small houses' with no names)
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thanks very much for all your help,...because we know so little about him,...i think i am best to get my nan's marriage certificate,...and also maybe my fathers birth certificate,...and hope they might tell me a bit more!!
thanks again
Gina