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Can anyone inform me of the burial place or cause of death of the English child actress, Ann Stephens? She was born in London on May 21, 1931 and died on July 15, 1966 and was active, though never very famous, during the 1940s and 1950s. Her film debut was "In Which We Serve", made in 1942. I have tried to find out this information for my memorial of her at Find A Grave without success.
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Hi,
According to this site Ann is alive and well.
http://digiguide.tv/celebrity/Ann+Stephens/76619/
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My gratitude to JulieW for showing such immediate interest and help. Unfortunately, this site merely assumes she is still alive. In fact, she sadly died in 1966.
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Hi
There doesn't appear to be any evidence given either way that she has died?
http://www.britmovie.co.uk/forums/actors-actresses/104326-ann-stephens.html
There is no death registration for her for the date given in England (or any death registration for a birth circa 1931), but then of course she could have married and if died did so in another surname, if the death occurred in England that is.
If you are certain of her death then presumably you have also have some evidence?
Regards
Valda
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Hi,
I couldn't find a death registration for her either. She may have died abroad? Another suggestion is a funeral announcement in the newspaper.
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Hi,
When googling obituary Ann Stephens actress this site ORBITURI ES -free on line library comes up.
I tried having a look but didnt get very far perhaps you might have better luck. :)
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Thank you both very much indeed for your kind interest to my questions. On-line death registrations are full of missing entries and are no guide. There are several sites which state she died on July 15, 1966 and this is one.
http://www.trueknowledge.com/q/when_was_ann_stephens_born
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Hi
There may be several sites on the web but there is a tendency to copy once one has put the information up, others just add it to their websites. Unfortunately there is absolutely no evidence given that the information is correct. Websites like BFI, IMDB and Wikipedia which require information verified have not followed suit and include no death date for her.
True that the GRO index has missing entries but this is largely in the earlier volumes - this is a death being quoted for 1966 when a missing entry would be more unlikely.
Perhaps you could ask the information from the True Knowledge website? How do they know?
Regards
Valda
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Your logic and assistance Valda is very sound. I shall contact the True Knowledge website as you suggested. It would be a joy for me to discover she was still alive! Thank you!
The problem is why state an EXACT date of death in the first place and the websites you mentioned such as Wikipedia are only fed information by the interested public. This child actress was not very well known and then only to earlier generations so it is most likely no-one has ever recorded her (possible) death at those websites.
It is also strange her career and any mention of her all predate 1966. Most actresses, even after marriage when they may choose to retire, make odd appearances.
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A book has been written about Ann, the info has been taken from free online sources on the internet.
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Do you know the title and author of this book, please?
Thank you, JulieW, for your very kind and diligent assistance!
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Hi,
Title Ann Stephens author Zheng Cirino.
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Hi
From Amazon which is selling the book
'Product Description
Please note that the content of this book primarily consists of articles available from Wikipedia or other free sources online. Ann Stephens (born 21 May 1931) was a British actress, popular in the 1950s. She was born in London. In July 1941 she recorded several songs including a setting of one of AA Milne's verses about Christopher Robin: "Changing Guard at Buckingham Palace" which often featured on the BBC Light Programme's Children's Favourites. Selected Filmography: Dear Octopus (1943), Fanny by Gaslight (1944), They Were Sisters (1945), The Upturned Glass (1947), No Room at the Inn (1948), The Franchise Affair (1951).'
Zheng Cirino seems to have quite a few similar books - he's very prolific, quite exceptionally so
http://berkelouw.com.au/browse/all/by/Zheng-Cirino
http://berkelouw.com.au/catalogue/books/9786137321744/ann-stephens
Regards
Valda
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@Romantic spirit I was watching a video of Ann Stephens of Youtube if you are still looking and the comment was made "The grave of the girl who inspired the character of alice can be found in Guestling, East Sussex." you can find the page at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_Z5LpHuXVE&list=PLED5569A9AACB0FD6&index=20
Hope it helps
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Might be worth having a look at the online archive of The Stage - you can get a short-term subscription for about £5. It's possible to do some searching without a subscription to see if it's worth exploring.
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I know this is an old post, but I have been reading about Ann Stephens on and off for a while. I first heard of her when my nan said the girl on the TV test card looked like Ann Stephens. When I asked her Ann who?, she told me about Ann being a child actress.
I have looked at The Stage on the British Newspaper Archive and there is no mention of Ann's death in 1966. I'm not sure where all the sources come from sayign she died on 31st July 1966.
I was watching an episode of the early ITV series The Adventures of Sir Lancelot online yesterday and Ann appears in it, playing the main guest role. I noticed how "frightfully posh" she sounded, even compared to the other actors. The later episodes of The Adventures of Sir Lancelot were filmed in colour and it was the first British TV series in colour. The episode with Ann is important as it was the first colour episode and so the first ever colour episode of any British series.
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Still nothing on Ann Stephens' death :-\ However, a little more on her if it helps from checking some records and others research.
Ann G Stephens' birth is registered in Hampstead in 3rd Qrt 1931.
Her father, Lucian, was born in 1894 in Barnet. He married Kathleen Blake in Marylebone in 1925. The couple look to have had 3 girls:
Angela K. b. 1928 Hendon - d. 1982 London
Ann G. 1931 Hampstead - d. ?
X b. 1934 Battersea - do not know if she is deceased
Lucian, son of Julian Stephens and Minna Mary Pelisier, died in Marylebone in 1958.
Kathleen Blake b. 1905 - died in Devon in 1995.
'The Tatler' ran a story on 3 October 1945:
Infant Prodigy: Little Ann Stephens, Stage, Film and Radio Star
... Octopus, the child Fanny in Fanny by Gaslight, and Judith in They Were Sisters. Ann is the daughter of Lt.-Cdr. and Mrs. Lucien Stephens, and has one older sister at college, while her younger sister, xxx, appeared with her in They Were Sisters Mr. J. Laurier ...
www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk
I haven't got access to the full story here.
But still no trace of Ann Stephens' death in the UK although people continue to quote the death date mentioned above in 1966.
Monica
Added: Apologies, Matt. Welcome to RootsChat :)
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The 1939 register has no additional info on the daughters, their records still redacted.
However, sister Angela's death does show in London under her married name in 1982.
Monica
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There are a number of shipping manifest entries for her.
She left England from Liverpool on the 'Parthia' on 11 April 1959 heading for New York. Her intention was to remain in the US. She was single, b. 21 May 1931 and gave her UK address as 8 Chepstow Mansions, Bayswater, London. Her occupation is given as Air Hostess. She potentially shows on a crew list for PanAm Airlines in the mid 1950s. One crew list in 1958 shows her as Ann G Stephens, with British nationality.
Monica
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There are pictures of her in that article. You haven't missed all that much in the full article. It just tells you about her career starting at nine years old as Alice in a gramophone recording of Alice in Wonderland. Mentions some of the other things she appeared in.
Interesting to note that her father is stated as being a Lt. Cdr. Presumably he joined one of the Forces during the second world war but after 1939.
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So I wonder if she stayed in the US then and either married there or died there as a single person.
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That is what I was thinking too. So many people seem to have been looking for her death details :-\ Would she show on the US SSDI I wonder (never remember the guidelines for it!).
Monica
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Nothing for Stephens or 1966. Two deaths showing for an Ann G and her birth date:
Ann G. McWhorter b. 25 May 1931 - d. 24 Aug 2011 - Decatur, Newton, Mississippi
Ann G. Haney b. 25 May 1931 - d. 13 Jun 2002 - Charleston, Kanawha, West Virginia, USA
Who knows!
Monica
Added: 3 entries without the middle name of G and with correct birth date. None in 1966.
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Could be, her middle name was Gillian according to the birth record
STEPHENS, ANN GILLIAN BLAKE
GRO Reference: 1931 S Quarter in HAMPSTEAD Volume 01A Page 754
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Yes, must be. That is certainly her birth entry.
Monica
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Not the McWhorter one then, different middle name
Ann Graham McWhorter
BIRTH 25 May 1931
DEATH 24 Aug 2011 (aged 80)
BURIAL
Newton County Memorial Gardens
Newton, Newton County, Mississippi, USA
From Find a Grave
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Her father, Lucian's Probate Calander entry has his address in 1958 when he died as 8 Chepstow Mansions, Paddington, London, widow Kathleen. So we do have right details for her confirmed I think.
So, what happened in her life after 1959 we have to wonder?
Monica
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Nothing showing on Find a Grave for Ann Haney.
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Still nothing on Ann Stephens' death :-\ However, a little more on her if it helps from checking some records and others research.
Ann G Stephens birth is registered in Hampstead in 3rd Qrt 1931.
Her father, Lucian, was born in 1894 in Barnet. He married Kathleen Blake in Marylebone in 1925. The couple look to have had 3 girls:
Angela K. b. 1928 Hendon - d. 1982 London
Ann G. 1931 Hampstead - d. ?
X b. 1934 Battersea - do not know if she is deceased
Lucian, son of Julian Stephens and Minna Mary Pelisier, died in Marylebone in 1958.
Kathleen Blake b. 1905 - died in Devon in 1995.
'The Tatler' ran a story on 3 October 1945:
Infant Prodigy: Little Ann Stephens, Stage, Film and Radio Star
... Octopus, the child Fanny in Fanny by Gaslight, and Judith in They Were Sisters. Ann is the daughter of Lt.-Cdr. and Mrs. Lucien Stephens, and has one older sister at college, while her younger sister, xxx, appeared with her in They Were Sisters Mr. J. Laurier ...
www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk
I haven't got access to the full story here.
But still no trace of Ann Stephens' death in the UK although people continue to quote the death date mentioned above in 1966.
Monica
Added: Apologies, Matt. Welcome to RootsChat :)
Thanks. The British Newspaper Archive typically doesn't have any later information on Ann and I'm not sure where the death date of July 1966 comes from
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There are a number of shipping manifest entries for her.
She left England from Liverpool on the 'Parthia' on 11 April 1959 heading for New York. Her intention was to remain in the US. She was single, b. 21 May 1931 and gave her UK address as 8 Chepstow Mansions, Bayswater, London. Her occupation is given as Air Hostess. She potentially shows on a crew list for PanAm Airlines in the mid 1950s. One crew list in 1958 shows her as Ann G Stephens, with British nationality.
Monica
I had no idea about the shipping entries, this is very interesting. The IMDB has her last credit from 1959 so it appears she left acting and decided on a career change and it also appears she might have already worked on airlines while still doing acting jobs. It seems the Ann G. Haney could be her, but after seeign the 2002 death date it makes me wonder where the 1966 date came from.
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I think we lose the thread on Ann's life from the 1959 shipping manifest entry. Impossible to say what she did after this isn't it. She could have changed her mind about staying on in the US and moved elsewhere or stayed on and we are not seeing her death entry.
We should stay open minded on her location and date of death for now ;)
Monica
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The only way to verify if the Ann G Haney is her is by obtaining either a marriage certificate or the death certificate.
As I showed earlier her middle name was Gillian.
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Ancestry link that SSDI of Ann G Haney record to this record
U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index, 1936-2007
Ann Gadd Haney
Born 25 May 1931, Charleston K, West Virginia
Death 13 June 2002
Father Cyrus H Gadd
Mother Wayne Welton
Anyway, in 1940 she appears to be Ann W Gadd age 8 in Charleston
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9M1-YWWL
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Ah Jon has beaten me to it. I had just discovered an obituary for Ann Gadd Haney in the
Bluefield Daily Telegraph 18 June 2002.
As Monica has said, just have to make a note of the information found so far. I don't know if it is possible to gain access to the employee records for Pan Am Airlines in the 1950s/60s.
Added: A link to what appears to be records for Pan Am Airlines. I assume you would need to contact the University for further information.
https://atom.library.miami.edu/asm0341-id345309
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Thanks for confirming Ann Haney wasn't Ann Stephens. So it seems she will remain a mystery. It also appears her date of birth was wrong, although she could have died in another country
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Why do you assume her date of birth is wrong? I put her birth details on Reply#24. Although the birth is in the September Quarter, they may have been a bit late in registering the birth and it went into the September Quarter.
The only way to definitely verify her date of birth is to obtain her birth cert. from the GRO which will cost £11.00
If someone on the 1939 dies abroad then the record won't appear until 100 years have gone by from the birth year. That would mean waiting until 2031/2032 for her details to be revealed.
Did you wish to try following up the link I gave you regarding Pan Am Airlines?
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Why do you assume her date of birth is wrong? I put her birth details on Reply#24. Although the birth is in the September Quarter, they may have been a bit late in registering the birth and it went into the September Quarter.
The only way to definitely verify her date of birth is to obtain her birth cert. from the GRO which will cost £11.00
If someone on the 1939 dies abroad then the record won't appear until 100 years have gone by from the birth year. That would mean waiting until 2031/2032 for her details to be revealed.
Did you wish to try following up the link I gave you regarding Pan Am Airlines?
Sorry, I didn't think her birth might have been registered late. I didn't know about the rule regarding people on the 1939 register who died abroad. I hadn't thought about contacting Pan Am Airlines yet, but thanks for the link.
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Anyone got any further on this ....
Looking at the threads you've gotten far further than I did !
The 1966 death seems like a complete mystery ....Didn't know about the US bit on Anne's life, but already knew her parents & sisters details ( one starred with her in a film )...
The search goes on ...
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Welcome to Rootschat Levvo :D
Do you have some connection to the family or just a curiosity about Ann?
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From an old post-
@Romantic spirit I was watching a video of Ann Stephens of Youtube if you are still looking and the comment was made "The grave of the girl who inspired the character of alice can be found in Guestling, East Sussex." you can find the page at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_Z5LpHuXVE&list=PLED5569A9AACB0FD6&index=20
Hope it helps
The grave has nothing to do with Ann Stephens herself-
http://orig.villagenet.co.uk/?v=guestling_east%20sussex
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Welcome to Rootschat Levvo :D
Do you have some connection to the family or just a curiosity about Ann?
Not at all TBH....I'm an avid film buff & have seen most of her work on talking pictures...I wondered what happened to her at such a young age - but like many others , I could find no info relating to her passing which is puzzling - especially at such a young age ... Obviously I'm not alone in being curious hence this thread....
Many thanks for the welcome - it's much appreciated ....
It's incredibly sad if that date proved to be correct - and I've not seen anything to disprove it ....Levvo
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I think the person who has been suggested as being Ann's younger sister, whose birth was registered in 1934 in Battersea, is a red herring. I believe this person's birth was actually registered in Battle.
Edit: Looks like I am wrong - this person gave the same UK address as Ann did a year earlier (8 Chepstow Mansions) when she flew into the USA in 1960.
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Just a quick update, I e-mailed the University of Miami who had the PanAm record collections that included employees and they told me there's no record of an Ann Stephens.
I did find two marriage references on the general register office indexes for an Ann G. Stephens in the late 50s, but I am not sure if I can give the spouse's name on here. I did a search of the death records for Ann G. XXXX using both names and nothing came up for 1966 or anywhere around that time.
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Hi Matt ...
Thanks for the update ...It still remains a mystery, & yet that date recorded as her death is listed numerous times ...
Unless anyone has discovered any new info , we might have come to an end on this ...
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I agree, it does seem like we have reached the end. It has been a very interesting subject and it always makes me wonder where Ann's date of death comes from
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After an annoying registration process I was able to post this comment. Anne Stephens died tragically in an automobile accident in 1966.
From the website: https://patheticfacts.com/british-actresses-died-before-turning-40.html
Ann Stephens
Ann Stephens (May 21, 1931 London-July 15, 1966 England) otherwise known as Anne Stephens or Stephens, Ann was a British actor.
She began her acting career on stage and later transitioned to film and television. Some of her notable film credits include "The Angel Who Pawned Her Harp" (1954) and "The Adventures of Robin Hood" (1955). Stephens also appeared in several television shows such as "The Benny Hill Show" and "The Adventures of Aggie." She was known for her talent as a singer and released several singles in the 1950s. Stephens tragically died in a car accident at the young age of 35 in 1966.
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Welcome to Rootschat :)
I'm not sure what was annoying about the registration process but lovely you posted those details about Ann Stephens. Unfortunately the person who started this thread is no longer a member but the information might be of use to someone else at a later date.
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Thanks. I only chanced upon this website because I was searching for the Teddy Bears' Picnic, a song from my childhood. Although I was born in Worthing I have lived in Canada since 1946. I thought the person who asked the question might like to know what happened to Anne so I spend a few hours searching until I found that link.
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Sorry to say so but I am dubious about the accuracy of that information.
No death on Free BMD between 1964 and 1968 for any Ann Stephens or Stevens aged 35 or thereabouts. Just putting in Anne and September quarter 1966 again does not produce one aged 35.
I can't check the GRO as they don't have those years on the deaths.
Her death information appears on IMBd along with a brief resume of her career. No indication as to how she died or where in the UK. Also no mention if she married.
Whether there was any mention of this in a newspaper who knows.
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Well there is Ann Walton, whose death at age 35 was registered in Lewisham in Q3 1966. I can't find any evidence of Ann Stephens marrying anyone with the surname Walton though!
Edit: It seems that Ann Walton was buried on 28th October, 1966, which probably rules out her dying on the 15th July, 1966:
https://www.deceasedonline.com/servlet/GSDOSearch?DetsView=Summary&src=ext&fileid=13349871
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Hi Richard
Welcome to Rootschat.
I am of the same opinion as Girl Guide. How do we know this is true, what is the source of the info about a car accident, other than patheticfacts.com?
Whether there was any mention of this in a newspaper who knows.
This is the thing, surely if Ann had died so tragically it would have been reported here in the UK?
John
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I was just filling in a few more bits of information on Ann's family tree on the Family Search website and I discovered that her brother-in-law, John Byron Sledge, died exactly 36 years ago on Valentine's Day 1989:
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/details/PMY4-7WN
According to one family tree on ancestry, John Byron Sledge worked as a motion picture producer at one stage.
Ann's sister, Helen, seems to have died in January 2024.
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It's interesting to see the post about Ann's sister Helen, I seem to remember John Sledge being mentioned on here before. I looked on Google after I saw this post last night and I saw the announcement about Ann's sister, I know she was in at least one film with Ann in the 40s. What still seems odd is how the British Newspaper Archive mentions nothing about Ann's death
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Found the below in the Sidmouth Herald:-
CRACKSTON-SLEDGE Helen Died peacefully at the RDE Hospital on 31st January 2024, aged 89. Loved family member and devoted gardener. A Service to celebrate her life will be held at East Devon Crematorium on Friday 1st March at 1pm. Family flowers only, donations may be made to Sidmouth Hospice at Home c/o Potburys Funeral Service or online at http://www.potburys-funerals.co.uk All enquiries C/O Potburys Funeral Service.
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I didn't notice it yesterday, but Ann Stephen's mother (and also, of course, Helen Crackston-Sledge's) died on 14th February, 1995:
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/details/GF2H-C9J
I wonder if there was any sort of newspaper announcement about her death, which might mention surviving (or not) children?
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Found the below in the Sidmouth Herald:-
CRACKSTON-SLEDGE Helen Died peacefully at the RDE Hospital on 31st January 2024, aged 89. Loved family member and devoted gardener. A Service to celebrate her life will be held at East Devon Crematorium on Friday 1st March at 1pm. Family flowers only, donations may be made to Sidmouth Hospice at Home c/o Potburys Funeral Service or online at http://www.potburys-funerals.co.uk All enquiries C/O Potburys Funeral Service.
This was the article I saw last night, no details of any relatives
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Also duplicate postings here:-
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=849677.msg7630580
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It looks as though Kathleen made a will:-
STEPHENS KATHLEEN MAUD 14 February 1995 2 January 1996 9680635023 PROBATE Bristol
Depends on whether anyone wishes to stick their neck out and obtain a copy of what I assume would have been a will. Not sure how much it would cost.
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It looks as though Kathleen made a will:-
STEPHENS KATHLEEN MAUD 14 February 1995 2 January 1996 9680635023 PROBATE Bristol
Depends on whether anyone wishes to stick their neck out and obtain a copy of what I assume would have been a will. Not sure how much it would cost.
I vote for Girl Guide to do it!
Cost is still £1.50 (but they have hinted at a price hike at some point)
There are now two threads on Ann Stephens that have been restarted, and are running concurrently :-X
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Now ordered, will await events. Not sure how long it will take. A long time since I last ordered a will.
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Well done, GG.
Hope it helps, fingers crossed.
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I have now received the will of Kathleen Stephens.
It tells us nothing at all about Ann, no mention of her whatsoever. If Ann was already dead then not surprising.
Three legacies left to three people, Edith Lawson, George Lawson and Joan Wood. No indication as to their relationship to Kathleen. The rest of the estate was left to her other daughter Helen.
No further forward regarding Ann. Did Kathleen lose contact with Ann at some point?
I seem to remember finding that Ann had travelled to the US and, if I recall correctly, her occupation was given as air stewardess. Gallicrow states this was in 1960.
The mystery of Ann continues. To find out what happened to her would involve a great deal of research and quite likely expense. She either married or stayed single and lived in the US or came back to the UK.
One wonders where that information of Ann dying in 1966 came from.
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just to muddy the waters..
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01tnr/
Ann Stephens was born on Thursday, May 21st, 1931 and is currently 93 years old.
What programmes has Ann Stephens been in?
Below is a list of programmes Ann Stephens has been associated with.
Click a programme name for more information; hover your mouse over the programme image to see a larger version.
Image for Fanny by Gaslight
Fanny by Gaslight[Film, 1944, This programme has been rated 3 Stars]... Fanny: child
Image for In Which We Serve
In Which We Serve[Film, 1942, This programme has been rated 4 Stars]... Lavinia Kinross
Image for The Upturned Glass
The Upturned Glass[Film, 1947, This programme has been rated 4 Stars]Show times for The Upturned Glass Show times...... Ann Wright
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Sorry the will didn't help, GG. Well done for getting it.
It does seem that Ann might have died by 1995, but it is, as you say, a mystery.
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Ann had two sisters - Helen Kay Stephens (1934-2024), who married for the first time in 1967 and Angela Kathleen Stephens (1928-1982), who married in 1979. Their mother's married name was Kathleen Maud Stephens (1904-1995).
Anyway, the reason I summarised all of that is because Helen, Angela and Kathleen seem to have all been living at the same address from around 1960 to 1965 - 8 Chepstow Mansions in Kensington (Bayswater?). I've attached one electoral register from 1964.
I haven't seen Ann Stephens hereself in any of these electoral registers, but there also doesn't seem to be any evidence of her working as an actress after 1959 or so, so I was wondering if that's the time period we should be concentrating on - 1959 to 1966. At the moment we don't even know what country she was in, let alone whether or not she was married!
One other minor point - the death of Ann's sister's mother-in-law, Mollie Dorr Sledge, can be found in various sources on ancestry, and they almost all say that she died in London on the 13th May, 1965. In fact it seems that she died in Addenbrooke's Hospital in Cambridge. I mention this because if Ann is reported dying in a car crash in London, it might not have been in London. US newspapers probably would have put London for anywhere in the UK that wasn't Scotland.
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What seems to get forgotten is that Ann had a middle name of Gillian. Not that that would necessarily make any difference to locating where she went etc.
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Just in case anyone else tries to follow up the blind alley that I've just spent a few minutes on - the Ann G Devereux who died in 1968 (death registered in St Pancras) appears to have been born Ann Geraldine Burnett and married someone called Devereux in 1953.
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...I haven't seen Ann Stephens hereself in any of these electoral registers...
Chepstow Mansions was her reported address in 1951 when she appeared in court on a driving charge. Named as Ann Jillian Stephens.
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/image-share/6b7ab798-7755-47e0-b9bb-ac5ef6cfdd68 (https://www.findmypast.co.uk/image-share/6b7ab798-7755-47e0-b9bb-ac5ef6cfdd68)
Edit: She appears in the registers from 1956 to 1959 and is gone in 1960.
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I remember looking at marriage records when this topic was active before and an Ann G. Stephens married a Barry Emmott in 1958, although going by the post earlier tonight about the electoral roll, it appears it wasn't Ann. I also couldn't find any death records for Ann G. Emmott, so it would be really interesting to know where the July 15 1966 date comes from
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I remember looking at marriage records when this topic was active before and an Ann G. Stephens married a Barry Emmott in 1958
I looked into that one and it seems that Barry Winston Emmott (born 1932) died in Bishops Stortford in 2013. Someone who looks like she was his wife, Ann Emmott (born 1935), died in Bishops Stortford in 2007. The problem is that this Ann Emmott has the middle names Elizabeth Mary, which doesn't match the "Ann G Stephens" who married Barry W Emmott in 1958.
For those that have ancestry, this seems to be the Ann Stephens who married Barry Emmott in the 1939 register:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/61596/records/4297512?tid=166269794&pid=122158044878&queryId=50f570fd-c2db-4f59-ad0d-53c17d77fac6&_phsrc=EjP8637&_phstart=successSource
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There's two marriages for Ann G Stephens..One in Essex 1950 to Royce McGrath and one in Kent to Lesie F Harding.1960.
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I checked the Wikipedia article on Ann Stephens to see when her death date was added and whether the person who added it gave a source for their information.
It happened very early on - the article was created on the 16th December, 2006, and the date of death was added three revisions later on the 14th June, 2007, by a user, since banned, called Ruantengyi:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ann_Stephens&diff=138101446&oldid=99011566
No reason for this date was given. Various people have attempted to remove the unsourced date of death since then, but someone else has always added it back again. The current article uses IMDB as a reliable source and I can't help but think that IMDB probably got their information from the Wikipedia article!
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I checked the Wikipedia article on Ann Stephens to see when her death date was added and whether the person who added it gave a source for their information.
It happened very early on - the article was created on the 16th December, 2006, and the date of death was added three revisions later on the 14th June, 2007, by a user, since banned, called Ruantengyi:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ann_Stephens&diff=138101446&oldid=99011566
No reason for this date was given. Various people have attempted to remove the unsourced date of death since then, but someone else has always added it back again. The current article uses IMDB as a reliable source and I can't help but think that IMDB probably got their information from the Wikipedia article!
This is very interesting and it's a bit shocking to think that one Wikipedia member's edit that's not even based on any facts has become misinformation. I wonder if Ann's sister was aware of the alleged date of death being all over the Internet?
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There's two marriages for Ann G Stephens..One in Essex 1950 to Royce McGrath and one in Kent to Lesie F Harding.1960.
Perhaps the Ann G. Stephens who married Leslie F. Harding could be Ann and she emigrated to the US?
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There's two marriages for Ann G Stephens..One in Essex 1950 to Royce McGrath and one in Kent to Lesie F Harding.1960.
Perhaps the Ann G. Stephens who married Leslie F. Harding could be Ann and she emigrated to the US?
As far as I can tell the Ann G Stephens who married Leslie F Harding stayed in the UK. I think they owned an egg farm near Gillingham and are quite possibly still alive (nothing on GRO index of deaths for either of them).
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There are a number of shipping manifest entries for her.
She left England from Liverpool on the 'Parthia' on 11 April 1959 heading for New York. Her intention was to remain in the US. She was single, b. 21 May 1931 and gave her UK address as 8 Chepstow Mansions, Bayswater, London. Her occupation is given as Air Hostess. She potentially shows on a crew list for PanAm Airlines in the mid 1950s. One crew list in 1958 shows her as Ann G Stephens, with British nationality.
Monica
That 1958 record is her travelling from Leghorn Italy to New York 1st Class on the SS President Monroe. Passport 804897 departed 29th May 1958 arrived 9 Jun 1958. Address 633 15th St, N. W. Wash, DC.
It's the same passport number on the Parthia dep. Liverpool 11 Apr 1959 arr New York 20 Apr 1959 (Again first class). The Address though difficult to read appears to be App.2633 15th St, N.W. Washington 9.D.C.
2633 looks more likely residential on google streetview.
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The only way to really check that is to obtain the marriage certificate, unless there is some other way to check the marriage without paying.
Marriages Dec 1960
HARDING Leslie F STEPHENS Chatham 5b 461
STEPHENS Ann G HARDING Chatham 5b 461
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Having looked a bit more, I really don't think this is the correct Ann G Stephens. It seems to me that the one who married Leslie Frederick Harding was born in 1938 and died in 2015.
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I think this person is living and his name shouldn’t be posted.
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I'm confused - the only person who posted his name was you - twice!
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I note that Ann’s mother Kathleen also travelled to New York in 1959 but in October. I wonder if someone might look for her return passage, in case it gives some more information.
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Apologies, Gallicrow.
I should not have quoted the original post. (Not me by the way).
I have amended my post.
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I am wondering if the 1960 event in Chatham might be a Stevens sometimes being Stephens, which may be causing confusion.
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Having looked a bit more, I really don't think this is the correct Ann G Stephens. It seems to me that the one who married Leslie Frederick Harding was born in 1938 and died in 2015.
This is really interesting. It seems Ann Stephens the actress settled in the United States and possibly married there. It seems we might never know what happened to her, but as her mother's will doesn't mention her, it appears she could have died by 1982