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G'Day All, I am looking for My Great Grandfather , Oliver Ledwidge B.c1835, Married c1859, to Mary Daly B.c1840 . Oliver was a Woodcarver. They had 2 children Mary c1860 and John c1861 the family then moved to London, England about 1862/3. I have found them over there from that time on. John in the 1901Census says he was born in Dublin, Mary in 1911C says the same . Is there any Ledwidge's that can help or any on else that may be of assistance.
Thanking you in advance.
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Hello
Isee some Ledwidges in the index to Shaw's Directory for Dublin for 1850 but am reluctant to give details unless requested as I do not wish to send you off into to a wilderness .
The occupations are either tanners or brush makers and presumably relate to Oliver's father (if relevant)
An address,partial or otherwise, would be a great help
Regards
Quaxer.
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Hello Ledwidge, I hope this is a starting point for you.
There is a birth listed here for an Oliver Ledwith born 1782 in the parish of St Paul's
It's a pay per view site, but it can be searched for free once you register
http://dublinnorth.brsgenealogy.com/quis.php?page=0&prevStartQuery=0
List here in the Griffiths valuation of Ireland is Oliver Ledwith with an address in Mabbot Street in the parish of St Thomas in the North inner city.
http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/gv_family_search_results.php?familyname=ledwith&firstname=&countyname=DUBLIN%2C+CITY+OF&baronyname=&unionname=&parishname=&submit=Start+Searching
There is one listing for Oliver Ledwith in the 1851 Dublin Heads of households. It only lists what it says.
His address is 32 Mabbott Street in the parish of St Thomas.
There is also a listing for William Ledwith at 1 Gloucester Place Upper also in the parish of St Thomas.
This is the only listings for Ledwith in tDublin arround that time.
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Thanks for your assisstance its greatly appreciated, I had found Oliver Ledwith previously and had not discounted him as a possible Grandfather, as I believe the first son was often named after paternal GF and second was named after maternal GF. I am not sure of this rule but had heard if it during my research.
Great site , the ask about Ireland site, hadn't seen that one before. Did a search just in Dublin and Co.Dublin for Ledwidge , found 27 now I will have to take a guess or spend a fortune and go through them all.
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Ledwidge
You replied tomine of yesterday but for some reason it has not come up on my screen even though I got a notice of it.
Regards
Quaxer
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G'day Quaxer, I have had some luck on another site with another poster finding a reference to Oliver in a newspaper" Freemans Journal and Daily Advertiser" Dublin. wed. 27 march 1861 Mentioning Oliver Ledwidge, wood carving, of Leinster Rd. what Parish would that be in ? any idea? It will lead me to look in the parish registers for a marriage or kids baptisms.
Regards Graham
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Hello Ledwidge,
See Leinster Road here
http://www.rootschat.com/links/06yd/
It would be found in the parish of Rathmines
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Hello Quaxer,
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Hope this helps
Best regards
gormangenealogy
Dublin, Ire
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another directory entry for you to consider - this time from Slater's of 1846.
Oliver Ledwith, carpenter and builder, 70 James st
The date is a bit to old to be Oliver (c1835) - but with a the same name and a similar trade .. could he be your Oliver's father ?
see : http://www.failteromhat.com/slater/0277.pdf
Shane
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Thanks, on the same site there was a Pettigrew and Poultons 1842 he was in 73 James St.
I think he was the one born 1782, so he could be Grandfather of my Oliver.
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Firstly,thanks to Gorman G for input -I try my best with computers.
Oliver L.-there is no entry in my source work to The Irish Times newspaper 1859-1901 in either Leinster or Leinster Road West for him in that period. The roads are in the Protestant Episc. Parish of Holy Trinity Rathmines or the Roman Catolic parish of St. Mary Rathmines Road. Their records commence in C.1850
Regards Quaxer
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G'Day all, I have been in touch with the secretary of the R.C. Parish church in Rathmines (haven't got the name in front of me), No luck,, What other churches are close by to Leinster Road?Graham
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I'm almost certain that the Oliver Ledwith at 70 James St should be Oliver Ledwidge - that address used to be a boarding house run by a Mrs. Ledwidge. My Ledwidge ancestors lived in 107 James St and I was told they had relatives further along the street, including a Michael and a John. I have a lot of info on Dublin Ledwidges and will look it up.
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I checked my Ledwidge DB and found that an Oliver Ledwith (whom I always assumed was the one from Mabbot St in 1851) died in Dublin in 1883.
There were quite a number of Ledwidges (and variant spellings) in and around Dublin in the middle of the 19th century, in the Liberties alone there were several dozen. Only a fraction of them appeared in the street directories or even in Chart's 1851 census, and a number of them lived outside what was then the city boundaries, for example in Rathfarnham or Clondalkin. So one can't jump to conclusions...
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Just for clarification, since I've been in touch with Ledwidge off-line: that newspaper article about Oliver Ledwidge refers to Leinster Street, not Leinster Road. If it is Leinster Street South then St. Andrews would be the best bet for baptismal certs for his children, and I'll take a look at these next week in the library if I find the time. If it's the Leinster Street on the north side, then that's a different matter.
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I am married to a Ledwidge and have been researching the Ledwidges from Celbridge, Lucan, Dublin and Slane .I found the marriage record of an Oliver Ledwidge and Margaret Moran both with an address at 21 St. Andrews street Dublin on 23 November 1873 . I think the Oliver above was the son of your Oliver Ledwidge . I found a very good new site which lists parish records called Irish Genealogy log into churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie .
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:) Alas it would not be so , Oliver was born c1835 and married c1859/60, to Mary Daly
they had two children, Mary c1860 & John c1862 then moved to London c1863.
Oliver was an unusual name for the time, so there may be a connection, but for him to be your Olivers father he would have been very young, and posibly not marrried , unless the mother died before 1859. But then surely he would have gone to London !????
Graham
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:D :D Stapleton, Thank you for the Link, I went to it and entered oliver and although the only oliver was the one you mentioned. Below it was Mary Ledwidge born 1859, 20 Wentworth Pl. Parish of St. Andrews to Oliver Ledwidge & Mary Daly.
Thank you so much!!!!! ;D ;D
Graham
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I had noticed Mary and John's baptism , glad you found them . If I come across any info I'll let you know
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Glad you had this success! I had looked up the St. Andrews registry from sometime in 1861, but didn't find anything. I will also keep looking now that there is a further address. Don
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G'Day All. Thank you for all the help you have provided during this Quest, it is on-going, but I feel sure we will eventually find Oliver and Mary and maybe even some distant relations.
Merry Christmas and a Happy and Prosperous New Year to you all
Graham :) :) :)
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Hello
I'm trying to track down my wife's Ledwidge ancestors in the St James' Parish in the mid 19th Century..in particular Frances Ledwidge who was born/baptised in 1841 , or thereabouts ,and who married a Thomas Kenny at St James' in1863. The family later moved to Scotland.
At the time of her marriage she was living at 70 James St. and her Marriage Banns sponsors were given as Patrick Ledwidge of 70 James St. and a Mary Anne Kearnes of New Kilmainham [ were these her parents, brother, married sister, or was Mary Anne Kearnes related to to Thomas Kenny ?
The 1851 Census for Dublin lists a Michael Ledwidge as Head of Household at 70 James St..is he the father /brother of Patrick and/or Frances?
The same Census lists a Richard Ledwidge as Head of Household at 107 James St.
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Has anyone any info relating to the above Ledwidges ?
I have some other info on Ledwidges contained in the 1851 Census if anyone is interested [ unfortunately Windows VISTA is incompatible with the 1851 CD so I cannot undertake any searches
Regards
Harry
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some info from several Thom's directories :
James street, Civil parish of St. James
1848
70, Tenements
107, Wm McCarty - boarding Hse
(there are several Ledwich, Ledwidge, entries in other parts of the city)
1863 :
70, Michael Ledwith - carpenter
107, Richard Ledwich - dairy
by 1877 the section where Michael lived of James Street was occupied by Arthur Guinness & Co. (68 to 81 and 83/84) In the same year 107 is occupied by a Thomas J. Ledwidge - dairy
Shane
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Richard Ledwidge at 107 was my ggggrandfather, his son Thomas was my gggrandfather. Other Ledwidge relatives lived at different addresses on James St. but I haven't yet found a link between my relatives at 107 and the Ledwidges at 70. Ledwidges were living in this area since the Reformation (mid-16th century). I'll check my database of Ledwidges and see whether I can find any further info about those at no 70. A Bridget Ledwidge ran a boarding house there in the 1840s.
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For James Street from the Irish Times c.1860/70 I have 3 references to Ledwidges (etc) -Mary,Eliza and Patrick.
If anybody would like these please let me know.
Regards Quaxer
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Hohenloh and Quaxer
Many thanks for the quick reply...I'll be very grateful for any information [ ie anything to keep the good wife quiet and happy !]...
Regards
Harry
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HarryW
At No.16on 15-1-1870 0n Page 3 (Police Intelligence) Mary Ledwidge (Victim)
Mary Slevin (Lodger) Charged-Theft
At No.32 on 26-7-1861 Inquest upon Eliza Ledwidge
At No.34 on 21-3-1867 Patrick Ledwich (Horse Shoer) Charged with Fenian Activity
Regards Quaxer
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Q
Many thanks.......the Fenian character looks interesting..must try and follow it up !
Regards
H
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Thanks for that information Quaxer - it was new to me.
In my Db I have a Patrick Ledwidge got married in Dublin (probably Dublin South) in 1874. A Patrick Ledwidge (also spelt Ledwich) married to Mary King had a child, John Joseph, on 17 August 1875 (child died). This couple had several more children in the 1870s and lived in Terenure (a suburb on the south side of Dublin).
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HOHENLOH/QUAXER
Just of general background interest...have you read the details about the old James St Orphanage/Workhouse on www.chaptersofdublin.com ?....puts the " good old days " etc into the right perspective !
Harry
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Was wondering (complete nosiness on my part) if any in this thread can claim relationship to the poet Francis Ledwidge http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Ledwidge
Apoligies if this is going off topic.
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A general note on Ledwith, Ledwige etc. my understanding is that they arrived in ireland c. 1240, and were originally from saxony in Germany. I havent got the details to hand, but the first Ledwith partially funded Tristernagh Abbey in Westmeath - There is a contemporary calendar roll to this effect. They settled near Multyfarnham in Westmeath, and spread into Meath, and all came from this original one.
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Pastmagic
If you have'nt already done so, have a look at (*)....lots of info about the history/location of the the LEDWIDGE/LEDWICH families..1
Regards
Harry
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It's pretty sure the first Ledwich's arrived in Ireland after the Norman invasion and were granted land by, or under, de Lacy, and that they came from the village/townland of Ledwich in England. That they came from Saxony is debatable - this was postulated by Edward Ledwich (1738-1823), who unfortunately proved to be one of Ireland's most unreliable historians.
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G'Day all,
I have found an Oliver Ledwidge, of 21 St Andrew St, who Married Margaret Moran 23/11/1873.
His father is shown as Oliver and her father is shown as John, witnesses were Michael Freeney and Mary Brophy.
Now , my Oliver was living in England by this time . so
a/ if this is his son by an earlier marriage or otherwise would he not have gone to England? or could it have been an illegitimate birth?
my Oliver consistently gives his birth year as 1835 in all censuses, so for him to be the father he would have been about 19 at the time of the other Oliver's birth , presuming him to be about 19/20
there were also some baptism's that were sponsored by an Oliver Ledwidge
1852 and 1860
any connections with any one on this forum????
Regards
Graham
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Woops , I just read the post by Stapleton , Sorry mate I had forgotten that you had mentioned this. I have been off this site for a while and I had a list of finds that I thought I might now follow up, not realising you had already brought it up !!
still the question stans who was this liver or who was his mother???
Regards
Graham
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An Oliver Ledwith, age 68, died in 1883. I'm pretty sure he was the Oliver Ledwith (or Ledwidge) from Mabbot St. (on the north side of the city), listed in the 1851 census as Ledwith, Oliver, 32 Mabbott St (parish of St Thomas in the North inner city) (carpenter)
He would have been born around 1815. It's very likely he would have had a son called Oliver. So I'd suggest that the Oliver who married in St. Andrew's in 1873 would likely be his son.
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While perusing the Db I noticed that Oliver Ledwich and Rosanna Doyle were god-parents to Eliza Ledwich, born to John Ledwich/Eliza Barker in 1826, Dublin south. My own ggggrandmother was Anne Doyle, who married Richard Ledwidge, lived also Dublin south. Just wondering whether these Doyles (and consequently, the Ledwidge/che/s) were related.
Don
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G'Day Don
That could be the link but with so little documentation its hard to prove.
The Oliver Ledwith/dge from Mabbot st, I thought he was born in 17something, which I would of thought would make him a bit old to have a young son 1853.
As i have been writing this, it struck me , there seems to be a run of Olivers;
1. Oliver Ledwith B 1782 St.Pauls
2. Oliver ledwith B.c1815 D. 1883 age68
3. Oliver Ledwidge B.c1835 went to Eng. D. 1902
4. Oliver Ledwidge B.c1853 M.1873
Do we see a pattern emerging or am I clutching at straws. The documentation linking all these just isn't there. Someone with a familly bible would come in handy about now.
Regards, Graham
PS if I miss a letter sometimes , its this laptop not registering the key stroke esp. on Capitals.
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any one able to add more?
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No need to bump up your post- if someone can help they will post on this thread but since the information you'd like to find is pre-civil registration such records might not exist.
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;D G'day all I have been looking for about 2 years for my GGF Oliver Ledwidge ,today I went back to the irishgenealogy site and entererd his name and up he came!!!
Oliver married Maria (mary)Daly at St.Nicholas 07/06/1856
Then a Baptism for Oliver 12/11/1833 St. Catherine F. John Ledwidge M. Eliz Barker.
Census records had Oliver as a birth year of 1835 but late 33 is 95%right
Got to keep looking now for John & Eliz
Show the value of continuing to go over old ground, you never know what will pop up.
Thanks for the help over this time!
Graham
Moderator Note: Merged with previous Ledwidge topic