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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Denbighshire => Topic started by: tae on Friday 28 October 11 11:08 BST (UK)
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Does anyone have any information on Robert L. and Mary Pemberton who lived at the Great Western Inn and Brewery Ruabon Wrexham North Wales please
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Was he born 1941 Wrexham.What information are you looking for.census BMD?
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To give some impression of timeline (you forgot to mention any dates? ;D), this is the 1891 census:
Reference RG12, Piece 4612, Folio 14, Page 7
Great Western Inn, Mount Pleasant, Ruabon, Denbighshire
Pemberton, Robert Head Widower M 56 Brewer b Ruabon
Pemberton, Alfred E Son M 22 Shunter b Ruabon
Pemberton, Ellen Daughter-in-Law F 26 b Ffrwd, Denbighshire
Jones, Jemmima Visitor F 11 b Summer Hill, Denbighshire
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Earlier censuses have him born Erbistock (just outside of Ruabon) circa 1833. I'm not sure if I have the registers and he's away from home on the 1851, so not showing with parents.
The 1841 for that area is missing - to save Kevin and Isobel from searching for it
gnu
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Im way out gnu I thought he was born 1941 parents Maurice H Pemberton and Hilda Lucy Greasley :o :o
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Possible marriage?
September qtr 1855
Wrexham district vol 11b, page 417
Pemberton,Robert
+ and on the same page +
Jones, Mary Ann
Gnu - Thanks for the heads-up!
Isobel - We still don't know which century, so either of us may be on the right track?! ;D
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I only see a death for a later one in Marleybone so will stick to the older one for the moment!
Either of these might be his parents in 1851
Crymball, Eyton ( Eyton is close to Ruabon and Erbistock)
HO107/2502/465/9
Robert Pemberton, 66. farmer of 12 acres, b. Codington, Cheshire
Elizabeth, wife,56, laundress, b. Ruabon
Hanna Griffiths, 18 house servant, b. Erbistock
Jane Roden, 16 -do-, b. -do-
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Rhyddallt, Ruabon
HO107/2503/44/6
John Pemberton, 63, farm bailiff, b. Codington, Cheshire
Mary, 53, b. Ruabon
Thomas, s, 25, sawyer
Catherine, d, 23, dress maker
John, s, 20, smith
George, s, 14, ag lab.
All children born Erbistock
There may be others but can't see any other likely ones on a first go around.
There seem to be a pocket of Pembertons b. Coddington.
gnu
added (12.19pm) - from the 1871 census RG10/5652/25/12 , his first son looks as if it was John so the second one looks the more likely. In 1861, a brother, Thomas, 35, was living with him so i think that the John and mary look correct.
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Think this one died 1901
Robert Pemberton, Sept q 1901, Wrexham, 11b 160. Aged 67
gnu
Added - North Wales BMD has this one dying Ruabon sub-district so strong possible.
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I was going from Robert L Pemberton and there only seems to be 1 birth for Robert L.I wish people would get back to us.
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The one that Kevin found was at the Railway Inn though, Isobel :-\
A little bit in the Wrexham Advertizer of Sat 6th January 1900
Ruabon
Death of Mrs Pemberton - We record the death of Mrs Pemberton of the Great Western Railway Inn, which took place on Christmas Day, in her 59th year. The remains were interred in the New Cemetery on 28th ult
Maybe he married again ::)
Added - this one was Rosina Pemberton, Dec q, 1899, Wrexham 11b 184 so he must have re-married
gnu
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From the 1881, RG11/5512/28/3 , his wife was a Mary A, aged 47 and b, Ruabon
Seems to fit with the OPs info and Kevin's marriage reg.
gnu
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It looks as if he married a Rosina after 1891 census:
Marriage - Sept q, 1892 Wrexham 11b 428
Robert Pemberton and Rosina Wilson on the same page
Added - this one was Rosina Pemberton, Dec q, 1899, Wrexham 11b 184 so he must have re-married
gnu
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Death
June q, 1887, Wrexham v 11b p 193
Mary Ann Pemberton, aged 54
gnu
(Have to go now but I'm sure Roger will pop in to add a bit - maybe the parents :) )
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There are three Pembertons from Ruabon including Alfred E with employment records listed under Great Western on Ancestry's Railway Employment records.
Roger
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Hello Roger ;D
Just to add that if it is the one that Isobel found, b. 1941, then he shouldn't be discussed as he might well be still alive.
He's not all that much older than me ;D ;D ;D :-X :-X :-X
gnu
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He's not all that much older than me ;D ;D ;D :-X :-X :-X
Why do think I've been keeping quiet?!?! ;D ;D
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Summary of what we've found so far, if the one that Kevin and I have located is correct:
b.c 1833, Erbistock. Parents: possibly John and Mary (see 1861)
Garden Servant in 1851 HO107/2503/55/4
Marriage to Mary Ann Jones. Sept q, 1855
Gardener in Church Street, Ruabon in 1861 - RG9/4280/15/8. Children - John, 4, Edward, 1 (not sure about Edward - is he Robert's son of Thomas's :-\)
Also there is brother, Thomas 35* so the John and Mary as parents looks like it's correct :)
Railway Inn, Pontadam in 1871 RG10/5652/25/12 Children - John, Flora, Robert, Lily, Alfred
Pontadam in 1881 RG111/5512/28/3 - Lily becomes Elizabeth, I think
Daughter Flora marries Price Owen June 10 1878 at Rhosymedre. Father listed as Robert Pemberton, brewer.
Wife Mary Ann dies in 1887
Great Western Inn in 1891 RG12/4612/14/7 - a widower
Marries Rosina Wilson in 1892
Rosina dies 25 Dec 1899
Pontadam in 1901 RG13/5216/39/2
Robert dies Sept q, 1901.
gnu
Added - Hello Kevin - I did wonder where you'd got to ;D ;D ;D
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Thanks for the warning/general point but in this case it seems safe to say the three are(all surname Pemberton)
Alfred Edward 1884(start of service date)
Thomas 1885 ditto
John Ernest Pulford 1895 ditto
There is a further unspecified Pemberton listed as Wrexham 1914
(for gnu-perhaps there is a reasonable chance that the family of interest is related to the family of Godfrey Pemberton,the policeman in the Jacob Davies thread.He and his parents lived in The School House Ruabon in the 1851 census if I remember correctly)
Roger
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Are the ones from the GWR list - you don't give a source :-\
I was wondering about Godfrey, Roger but I can't find any links. Haven't checked the early censuses for him though - Have you got the 1861? (Don't get side tracked though ;D )
I recall that there were Pembertons in the area when I was a lass and older so I don't think that they were all related.
gnu
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Just checked Godfrey on the 1851 and 1861 and don't see a relationship. I see that William (father) was b. Wrexham circa 1818.
gnu
Will repeat my summary of the answer to the main question about Robert and Mary Pemberton, in case it gets lost/buried:
Summary of what we've found so far, if the one that Kevin and I have located is correct:
b.c 1833, Erbistock. Parents: possibly John and Mary (see 1861)
Garden Servant in 1851 HO107/2503/55/4
Marriage to Mary Ann Jones. Sept q, 1855
Gardener in Church Street, Ruabon in 1861 - RG9/4280/15/8. Children - John, 4, Edward, 1 (not sure about Edward - is he Robert's son of Thomas's :-\)
Also there is brother, Thomas 35* so the John and Mary as parents looks like it's correct :)
Railway Inn, Pontadam in 1871 RG10/5652/25/12 Children - John, Flora, Robert, Lily, Alfred
Pontadam in 1881 RG111/5512/28/3 - Lily becomes Elizabeth, I think
Daughter Flora marries Price Owen June 10 1878 at Rhosymedre. Father listed as Robert Pemberton, brewer.
Wife Mary Ann dies in 1887
Great Western Inn in 1891 RG12/4612/14/7 - a widower
Marries Rosina Wilson in 1892
Rosina dies 25 Dec 1899
Pontadam in 1901 RG13/5216/39/2
Robert dies Sept q, 1901.
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Yes,they are all Great Western as per my original post.Alfred Edward's employment seems to cover1884-1895.Can't get any more info-I only had some residual "pay as you go" views from my own enquiries.
Roger
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Thanks for replying. Robert L Pemberton was my great great grandfather I did not know he had been married twice. GNU is right about Robert's father being John Pemberton who was born in Coddington Cheshire in 1789 and died 1870 he married Mary Pulford (born about 1797) in Ruabon Wrexham she died in 1859. By 1851 they had five children. Thomas baptised 5 March 1825. Caroline baptised 30 December 1827 she died 16 July 1851 aged 23.
John baptised 27 February 1831 he died on 26 february 1856 in Oldham Lancs aged 25. Robert L. baptised 14.4.1831 died 10 August 1901 at The Great Western Inn Ruabon. George born about 1833 he died on 9 January 1903 Rhosymadoc aged 66.
Every bit of information helps. Thanks TAE
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Was looking up the Great Western Inn after seeing it on a headstone in the Ruabon Cemetery (I'd never heard of it). Here is the inscription or as much of it as I could read:
Sacred to the memory of George Robert son of Robert & Mary Ann Pemberton who departed this life August 8th 1864 aged 12 months
Also Edward, son of the above, who departed this life Octr 15th 1868 aged 9 years
Life hangs upon a slender thread
No sooner out than we are dead
So boast not mortal of thy might
Alive at noon and dead by night
Also in affectionate remembrance of Mary Ann, the beloved wife of Robert Pemberton, Great Western Inn Ruabon, who fell asleep in Jesus May 4th 1887 aged 54 years and was interred on May 7th
Also of the above Robert Pemberton died August 7th 1901 aged 68 years
Rosina, his wife died 25th December 1899 aged 59(?) years [may be 58 years].