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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: piggle-wabbit on Friday 28 October 11 02:42 BST (UK)
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Hello All,
I'm looking for anyone who maybe able to help me with the Surname Fyfe/Fife etc.
My Particular Fyfe/Fife Is
John Fyfe born abt 1796 Died 1874 Tasmania, Australia.
Immigrated from UK in 1833 via Lady East to Tasmania.
Two other Fyfe's were listed,
Patrick ~ seems to have disappeared..?
Peter ~ born 1804
Wondering if someone could find parents for them :) please.
Thanks for your assistance.
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Does his death record give his parents names?
Did he marry in Scotland, if so to whom and when/where?
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If he Married before he came to Australia, I'm unaware.
However he did marry an Elizabeth Milne in 1835, Hobart Tasmania.
As for his Parents, no they're not listed. :(
I Do Have an Article from one of his Great Grandchildren Marrying.
Its under Marriages, Between a Duncan & a Fyfe
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/25948837?searchTerm=Jessie%20Pearl%20Fyfe&searchLimits=
Thanks for your Assistance.
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Sir John Fyfe
What was his occupation?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Fife_(surgeon)
Best Regards
Ron
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Mmmm...this isn't making sense to me, sorry :P
Hon. Sir John Fyfe, late of Fifeshire, how does this connect to a John Fyfe marrying an Elizabeth Milne is Hobart in 1835?
The surgeon Sir John Fyfe/Fife of Scottish parentage was born in Newcastle upon Tyne (John Fife (surgeon) `Sir John Fife` (1795-1871), was an English surgeon. Fife was born at Newcastle-on-Tyne in 1795, his father being a medical man of Scottish origin, practising at Newcastle. After qualifying as a member of the London College of Surgeons, he was for a short time an army assista...)
www.victorianturkishbath.org/2history/atozhist/animals/pix/3fife_w.htm There are many links regarding this John Fyfe.
piggle-wabbit, we want to help :) Can you talk us through how you have got to where you have please? We seem to be jumping from an 1943 marriage notice to an 1835 marriage....
Monica :)
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I Have no Idea, that was the only Article I could find mentioning a SIR in the family.
from Australia anyway.
I Don't think it could be the surgeon as he would've had to have gone back to England, & as far as i could find he stayed in Tasmania.
I'm not sure if Patrick or Peter & My John were brothers, but it seems likely.
Thanks for you Help.
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My John Fyfe came out in 1833 on the Lady east from Liverpool.
he was Born about 1796 (doesn't say where)
He Married an Elizabeth Milne in 1835, Hobart Tasmania.
His Son George Peter b1840 is "Jessie's" Grandfather.
my John Fyfe would be her Great-Grandfather. but as far as I know he didn't move back to england.
I Have no idea who the SIR mentioned in the Paper is, but i'm trying to work out how he fits in.
I think they may have gotten the wrong John Fyfe.. in regards to the article.
I think the confusion is because, Both John Fyfe's are Born about the same time & Died within a few years of each other.
I was originally looking for his Parents,
I think Peter & Patrick who also came out on the Lady East are his Brothers.
Sorry about the Confusion...Thanks once again
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There is a page here on Rootschat dedicated to Tasmania resources www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,369953.0.html
Also, the main page for Australia www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,399.0.html
Looking at what is contained on death certs, you won't get confirmation of parents' names from John's death cert unfortunately www.jaunay.com/bdm.html
Monica
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I seem to have found that he was a Teacher/Postmaster.
:) Thanks Monica
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From A/try trees, some of the children showing for John and Elizabeth:
George Peter Fyfe b. 1840...married Emma Midson
Jannet Elizabeth Fyfe b. 1842...married George Nichols
Which of their children are you following back?
Monica :)
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Did the 1874 death record show him as Sir John Fife?
Was there an obituary for him?
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No Obituary, :(
I'm researching BDM etc, to see if i've stuffed up somewhere, but this article still doesn't seem to make sense with the info i have founded.. lol
George Peter Fyfe ~ Emma Midson,
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Which of the children of George Peter and Emma are you following through?
Monica
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John Fyfe born:1880 ~ Married Laura Annie Alice White.
Their Daughter was Jessie Pearl my Great Great Grandmother's Sister.
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Did find this article, it mentions Sir John Fife dying in 1871
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/67111322?searchTerm=Sir%20John%20Fife&searchLimits=l-textSearchScope
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Yes, but not connected to your John surely :-\
John Fyfe, 78, died on 12 Sep 1874 in Brighton Tasmania. Registration Number: 26
Monica
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No, Sir John Fife Died 1871 is not connected that i know of,
Thanks for your assistance Monica
:) :)
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So far we have:
John Fyfe born c. 1796 m. 1835 Eliza Milne
George Peter Fyfe born c. 1840 m. 1872 Emma Midson
John Fyfe born 1880 m. ? Laura Annie Alice White = daughter Jessie
You realise, this is not necessarily getting us closer to John Snr's (born c. 1796) Scottish roots..... :-\
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I know Sorry,
John Fyfe was B abt 1796,
I think Peter Fyfe b 1804 is his brother.
there was also a Patrick list on the ship with Peter & John, but no luck with him so far.
someone suggested a Charles Fyfe & Margaret Mudie as the Parents of
Peter & John Fyfe.
Cheers..
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Where did the info on years of birth come from?
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Tasmanian Archives..
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The dates of BAPTISM for John and Peter fit for those parents but there is no Patrick registered to them and there is still nothing to verify this is the right parents
1 29/11/1802 FIFE CHARLES son of CHARLES FIFE/MARGARET MUDIE at SCONE (PERTH) /PERTH
2 06/09/1807 FIFE CHARLES son of CHARLES FIFE/MARGARET MUDIE at SCONE (PERTH) /PERTH
3 26/01/1800 FIFE DAVID son of CHARLES FIFE/MARGARET MUDIE at SCONE (PERTH) /PERTH
4 19/11/1797 FIFE JANET daur of CHARLES FIFE/MARGARET MUDIE at SCONE (PERTH) /PERTH
5 22/06/1811 FIFE MARGARET daur of CHARLES FIFE/MARGARET MOODIE at SCONE (PERTH) /PERTH
6 14/11/1803 FIFE PETER son of CHARLES FIFE/MARGARET MUDIE at SCONE (PERTH) /PERTH
7 22/09/1805 FIFE WILLIAM son of CHARLES FIFE/MARGARET MOODIE at SCONE (PERTH) /PERTH
8 22/05/1796 FIFFE JOHN son of CHARLES FIFFE/MARGARET MOODY at ST MARTINS /PERTH
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Further to queries about Sir John Fyfe, my understanding is as follows:
He came from Scotland in the early 1800s and married Elizabeth Milne in 1835. They had three children, one being Jannet Elizabeth Fyfe who married George Nichols in 1871 and their son William George Nichols was my great grandfather. I remember him very well as he was alive until I was 7 years old and I saw a lot of him. He married near Launceston and lived there until his death in 1962.
The family story is that John Fyfe was the first Tasmanian school teacher and was knighted as a result. I have been unable as yet to find any records to confirm this. I have a family prayer book which belonged to him and has his name written in the cover It was produced in London by The Religious Tract Society and bound by Baxter Binder 49 Bartholomew Close.
I also saw an engagement notice from a Hobart newspaper saying she was a descendant of Sir John Fyfe of Fyfeshire.
Jill
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I'm not sure if Patrick or Peter & My John were brothers, but it seems likely.
Are you sure they were two different people? In Scotland the names Peter and Patrick were used interchangeably, so that you often find the same individual referred to by both names in different places.
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Re John Fyfe born c.1796, who came out from Liverpool to Hobart: I have looked at an original microfiche of the handwritten passenger list, and originally assumed also that what was written for the second name was shorthand for Patrick. But, I now believe it is Peter and not an abbreviation. (Is there any other reason to believe it is Patrick?) I have relied on Ron Ebxxx's work to confirm that his father was Charles and his mother Margaret Mudie. This lineage can be traced back another couple of generations, near Old Scone. The breakthrough for Ron in finding this information, which had eluded me despite following the original FYFE list for many years, came from a researcher of the family in the USA, who had the family correspondence. She had been looking for the missing brother who came to Tasmania. She eventually came to Tasmania, "and the rest is ancestry" :-) Ron also had the information for Eliza Milne who was English. If memory serves me, Ron has not followed up on the move of Peter's family to Victoria. I am a Fyfe, and a great-great-great grandson of John Fyfe; my grandfather left Tasmania.