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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Waterford => Topic started by: marciahay on Wednesday 26 October 11 09:10 BST (UK)
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I am looking for the marriage date and birth date of Hannah Cronin b1898who married james Fitzgerald. 1885 Census 1911 shows a Haqnna 13 Parkdotia with her uncle Michael. I cannot find a record for her birth or a census with her at home or the names of her parents. 1901 a Hannah who fits the same age bracket was with her grandfather.
I can find the records some of the 14 children from her marriage but not all. She was born in 1898 and died in Tallow in 1991. So iam ay a brickwall again. Would be really grateful for any help.
Marcii
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For reference here's the link to 1911 census entry for Hannah:
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Waterford/Tallow/Parkdotia/910898
The civil registration index is online (free) and you can search for the marriage entry (bride and groom separately then cross-reference the results for match) for details needed to order the certificate. You can also use the site to search for the children's registrations.
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/list#page=1&countryId=1927084
This is the 1901 census entry you mentioned-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Waterford/Tallow/Loughnasillis_Upper/1759076
This could be Nora Cronin's death- see here (http://locdat.waterfordcountylibrary.ie/ipac20/ipac.jsp?session=13C96P724M177.469910&profile=death&uri=link=3100018~!63565~!3100001~!3100002&aspect=basic&menu=search&ri=1&source=~!lhist&term=Cronin+%2C+John&index=DTHNAMB)
A daughter Nora died before 1901 census- see here (http://locdat.waterfordcountylibrary.ie/ipac20/ipac.jsp?session=13C96P724M177.469910&profile=death&uri=link=3100018~!62221~!3100001~!3100002&aspect=basic&menu=search&ri=1&source=~!lhist&term=Cronin%2C+Nora&index=DTHNAMB)
You can use the database to search for other possible deaths-
http://locdat.waterfordcountylibrary.ie/ipac20/ipac.jsp?profile=death
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Waterford County Library also has database for gravestone inscriptions-
http://locdat.waterfordcountylibrary.ie/ipac20/ipac.jsp?profile=grave
There's one for Cronin family in Tallow (no details on stone)
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:) Hi
Thank you for your efforts which have been a bit of a help though i can't get anything definitive. I cross referenced the marriage search as you suggested and came up with a possible marriage in 1918 in Lismore. The references are the same except for the image number which still doesn't give me a real affirmation.
Thank you
Marcii
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Don't pay any attention to the image number- the details which need to match are quarter/year, registration district, date and volume and page numbers (just remember that there are 2 marriages on each page usually so there'll be 2 brides and 2 grooms with the same details).
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:D Hi karen
thanks for that information. Now the only thing I need is to find out who her parents were but unless i order a marriage cert, I guess I won't find out. All the census forms show her living with either her uncle or her grandfather, which makes it difficult.
cheers
Marcii
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Mothers are not mentioned on marriage certificates. If she was illegitimate her father will probably not be listed (may have name of uncle, grandfather or made up name instread).
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:) Thanks Karen
So now a bit more of a puzzle to sort out.
cheers
Marcii
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Hi, you said Hannah was living with her uncle Michael in 1911. Michael is my great great grandfather. In 1901 Hannah is living with her grandfather. I had always assumed that she was living with her mother, Nora, as well.
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:) Hi I am just trying to work out whether Nora was her mother. I get so confused.!
Marcii
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ya i had just always thought she was her mother but when i saw your message i realised it was possible that she mightnt be... i can't find Nora in the 1911 census so maybe she died and thats why Hannah went to go live with her uncle. let me know if you ever find out who her mother is :)
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Marriage for Hannah Cronin to James Fitzgerald.
January 1918. Reg district Lismore Co Waterford. Vol 4 Page 361.
Following births for a Hannah Cronin
January 1898 Reg Dist Cork. Vol 5 Page 109
June 1893 Reg District Lismore Co Waterford . Vol 4 Page 597.
Michael Fitzgerald (Hannahs uncle) marriage Oct/nov/dec 1903 Fermoy Vol 4 Page 279 To Julia Walsh.
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Death for Nora (Norry) Cronin Parkdota, Tallow, Co Waterford
24th June 1902. Age 65
*** Hannah Cronins grandmother. :)
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Birth for Honora Cronin b. 8th Feb 1871, Ballyduff Waterford.
Father John Cronin - Mother Hanora Fitzgerald.
(possible mother to Hannah b. 1898.
Same parents for Michael Cronin (uncle to Hannah) birth 21/5/1874 Co Waterford. :)
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"Michael Fitzgerald (Hannahs uncle) marriage Oct/nov/dec 1903 Fermoy Vol 4 Page 279 To Julia Walsh."
It was Michael Cronin who married Julia Walsh (my great great grandmother)
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:) Hi shelley
It all is a bit confusing. Cronin and fitzgerald but on my husband's baptism cert there is a mention of a Hanora. I will have to check it out
will get back to you when i sort it out.
Cousin
Marcii LOL
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:-\ HI Shelley
Help me! So hannah was living with her grandfather in 1901. Norry her grandmother? died in 1902. Michael got married in 1903 and Hannah went to live with them and was with them until 1911 or when she married james Fitzgerald in 1918??
confused
Marcii
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Hi Marcii,
This is what I know:
John Cronin born 1819 married Nora (maiden name unknown) born 1841 died 1902
I don't know how many children they had, but here are the ones I know:
1. Michael Cronin b. 1876 married Julia (Walsh) in 1903
2. Nora Cronin b. 1871 possible children are James and Hannah (you're saying this Hannah married James Fitzgerald in 1918) Nora is living with her parents in 1901 but in 1911 she is not.. She could have died or got married. But in 1911 census there is a Nora Cronin living in a workhouse in Lismore
Hannah Cronin age 4 in 1901 is living with her grandfather. She moved in with her Uncle Michael either when he got married in 1903 or when her grandfather died as he is not alive in 1911 census.
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??? Hi Shelley
Our family certainly did not have much of a list of names when it came to naming their kids. hanora , Honora Hannah and Nora and then Michael and james. At least we might try to work on John Cronin and Nora being their mother and father and go from there. I haven't had much of a chance to look at the baptism certificate yet. My mum had 2 heart attacks last week and only came home on Monday. Iam her carer and she lives with us. To top it off my son is in Afghanistan and the 5 killed today were from his barracks. But what we can't cure we endure I suppose but i am a bit of a wreck.
Cheers for now
Marcii
PS do you have any photos/ I have a photo of Hannah and James which I will post when I find it.
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Hey,
Sorry to hear about that! Ya its very confusing with all the Hanoras in the family! Well John and Nora are James and Hannahs grandparents anyway thats all I know... I don't know who their parents are. I don't think I have any photos. I could see do my parents have any and let you know :)