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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: paulsplace2009 on Monday 24 October 11 15:48 BST (UK)
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hi everyone
in 1865, my great great grandmother was living at 16 broomielaw.
i tried to find this address on googlemaps, and if the map is right, then one of the bridges that runs into central station, seems to run through the buildinf that google maps says is my ancestors home!!
can anyone shed any light on this, or tell me exactly where 16 broomielaw would ahve stood?
thanks
paul
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http://www.glasgowhistory.com/broomielaw.html
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http://maps.nls.uk/townplans/view/?sid=74416215&mid=glasgow_1_centre
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The bridge across to Central station didn't open till 1879.
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hey
i think they stayed at 16 broomielaw for quite a while because on elizabeths mother in laws death cert, she died at 16 broomielaw in 1870. her name was ann gorman.
thanks
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Hello
I found mention of this post via a search for the address.
16 Broomielaw was also the address of Buchanan Court, you accessed these buildings via a passageway from Broomielaw
http://digital.nls.uk/directories/browse/pageturner.cfm?id=87852675&mode=transcription
In 1836, Buchanan Court is described as housing 47 families consisting of 170 persons.
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=cztBAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA31&lpg=PA31&dq=statistics+of+the+church+accommodation+of+Glasgow&source=bl&ots=OpATVeKKYF&sig=FEgcJsMgklZiSrK2UBHReM0En94&hl=en&sa=X&ei=EMlYVIvTB5KyuAT51IHgDg&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=buchanan%20court&f=false
If you look at the 1841 return of the destitute you'll also find it mentioned there under the same address, 16 Broomielaw. The remarks in that report give some indication of the conditions folk were living in at that time.
http://www.glasgowlife.org.uk/libraries/the-mitchell-library/archives/collections/destitute-return/Pages/default.aspx
It is visible in some of the earlier maps near Jamaica street e.g.
http://maps.nls.uk/view/74953132#zoom=5&lat=4406&lon=14492&layers=BT
There are a few photos of the general area available but none of Buchanan Court itself that I know of apart from the glimpse of one of the buildings during the demolition work for the building of the railway bridge.
Hope that all helps.
S_L
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Hi Paul,
It's a small world. I had ancestors who lived at 16 Broomielaw for about 20 years. I have a poor relief claim dated 9th July 1855 and the address is given as "16 Broomielaw Street, far back stair on left, 2 up above the shop with Mary McMillan".
The family name was McNamara (sometimes Macnamara) the husband was Darby (Jeramiah) McNamara and his wife was Bridget Moran. After Darby's death in 1874 (according to his son Michael's poor relief claim of 1877) his widow Mary was living at Wood Lane, which was just around the corner.
Lodger
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It has been a while since 16 Broomielaw was discussed, but I am posting here hoping there might still be some posters around. This turns out to be a significant address on my family tree.
I was finally able to make some progress on one family line when I found my 4th great grandfather's name was listed as Patrick on documents rather that Peter as was listed on one of his children's marriage registrations. Patrick Clark was born between 1790-and 1800 in Ireland. He had at least two daughters, born in the 1930's in Castlewellan, County Down, Ireland, and possibly one son. His occupation was listed as a Gentleman's Servant. Somewhere before 1851 he moved to Glasgow, Scotland with his wife and children, and his daughters married two brothers in Glasgow in 1855. In 1851, Patrick Clark was listed as being a soldier and Chelsea Pensioner, but I have no information on his military service. He was also noted as being a lodging house keeper at 16 Broomielaw, Buchanan Court. He lived there with his wife and he remained there in that position until his death in 1873.
I thought I would Google that address to see if I could find out more of his background and this thread is what I found.
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Superb thread, great pic's! Did the tour of Central Station last week which includes a visit to the dunnies under the station & the old street lay-out. We got down as far as the Heilanman's Umbrella, sadly not the roof!
Book online, cost about £13.
Skoosh.
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Superb thread, great pic's! Did the tour of Central Station last week which includes a visit to the dunnies under the station & the old street lay-out. We got down as far as the Heilanman's Umbrella, sadly not the roof! The Central covers what was the village of Grahamston of which only two buildings still exist, one being the "Grant Arms" pub.
Book online, cost about £13.
Skoosh.
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Superb thread, great pic's! Did the tour of Central Station last week which includes a visit to the dunnies under the station & the old street lay-out. We got down as far as the Heilanman's Umbrella, sadly not the roof! The Central covers what was the village of Grahamston of which only two buildings still exist, one being the "Grant Arms" pub.
Book online, cost about £13.
Skoosh.
That would be cool. I have not been in Scotland since I was a young child and would very much like to go and explore the history there.
What are dunnies?
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@ Tetley T. Dunnies in Glasgow, cellars/basements. ;D
Skoosh.
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@ Tetley T. Dunnies in Glasgow, cellars/basements. ;D
Skoosh.
Ah, of course. Al of a sudden I had a recollection of my parents once or twice jokingly refer to the basement of our house as "the dunnie."
I am pondering whether Patrick Clark's position as a lodging housekeeper was at 16 Broomielaw or if he lived there for 20+ years and worked at a nearby lodge of some sort. From what I have now read, I do not get the impression that housekeeping services would have been at that address.
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@ Tetley, the Glasgow expression "A honey fur the dunnie!" speaks for itself! ;D
Skoosh.
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@ Tetley, the Glasgow expression "A honey fur the dunnie!" speaks for itself! ;D
Skoosh.
LOL. I had to think about that for a second.
Thinking of the Broomielaw and old Scottish expressions, I recalled an old tune my father used to sing when we went on road trips. We were living in Canada, but he would use his broadest Scottish accent when singing these songs. One of the tunes I think was about a man hearing some fanciful tales from a bird, Maybe the fellow had been drinking. This was a long time ago but as best I remember one of the verses, it went as follows:
McGuinty was a sportin' chap, he bet a man a fiver,
That he'd jump o'er Jamaica Bridge like Tammy (Tommy) Burns the diver.
But all the folks on the Broomielaw kicked up an awfa shinty,
When he fell doon the funnel o' the tugboat number twenty.
Indeed I do now see many tugboats in the old images of the Broomielaw. I also also read of Tommy Bruns, the diver, who did dive off Jamaica briddge.
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Very good Tetley, that's a new wan on me kid! ;D
Skoosh.
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Very good Tetley, that's a new wan on me kid! ;D
Skoosh.
I want to include a few of my Dad's favourite song's on his page on the family tree. I believe it went to the tune of Yankee Doodle or something highly similar. I Google the lyrics a couple of times but Google had not heard of this song. However, I have recalled another verse. It is funny how discussions will propmt memories.
I have tried to capture my Dad's pronunciation to the best of my recollection. Jacket should be pronounced more like jaykit.
McGuinty went tae Aberdeen, McPherson did invite him,
But when he landed on the dock he wanted first tae fight him.
McGuinty couldnae fight at aw, his mind was in a quandry,
He couldna tak his jacket aff, his shurt was in the laundry
It has just come to me that my dad really enjoyed the Boy Scouts and camping. Campfire songs were his favourite part of the camping. I wonder if some of the funny songs he sang came from the jamborees.
Now, back to the Broomielaw. Given the police notes on the destitute in this section, I think it is unlikely that Patrick Clark's lodging housekeeping was done in the residence. However, after studying the map, I see that there were three Hotels all within the immediate vicinity of the Buchanan Court where 16 Broomielaw was situated according to the census.
Given that Patrick Clark was listed as a soldier and Chelsea Pensioner I presume he served in the military prior to his time at the Broomielaw. So I hope to find some record of this.
Patrick Clark has a daughter Jane who married Joseph Rae. They had a son named William who married Unity Quigley. Twelve of the people who have turned up as DNA matches to me descend from William Rae and Unity Quigley through five of their eight children. So they are all descendants of the Broomielaw's Patrick Clark.
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Tetley, Patrick would indeed have had a pension, follow the money. Jacket is a bit "hauf-biled" I only have jaikets masel! ;D
Skoosh.