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on the 1911 census a relative has put his birth place as Kilmarnsell Ireland. anyone know where this is? cant find it on google Cass
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hi,,can you tell us the name of the head of household and when and where born so we can have a look at the original image? ;)
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Think the place might be on the 1911 English census.
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,562013.msg4144608.html
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Its James Fagan born in Ireland 1867 - wife is Mary. Address is 23 Bell st in Workington. Cass :)
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Any chance of a image of the original Kilmarnsell word.
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Hi sinann, i have the image but donot know how to put it on this site Cass ???
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Hi Cass when you go to reply underneath the box you type your post in is attach a photograph or image.Click on that,then click on browse,you will then be able to search your files for the image.Select the image you want,click open then post.We aren't allowed to post the whole document just parts so it's best to crop round the part you want us to look at.
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It looks to me like it could end in "outh". The last bit looks very like the last bit of Cockermouth on line 6.
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hope this works
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could it be Kilmaconnell, County Londonderry?
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could it be Kilmaconnell, County Londonderry?
Strange spelling of Ierland :-\ however, the place name looks like Kilmarnock (which is in Scotland)- only a few places in Ireland actually begin 'kilmar'- all of are Kilmartin or forms of it.
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HI
i know this thread is quite old but I am hoping it is still being followed. I looked at James and his family as there had been a belief from earlier census records that he was connected to our family. We come through from Edward Fagan is found living at 7 Griffin St Workington. We always believed that Edward came from Kilkeel and the 1911 census confirms this but the birth place of James puts doubt to the connection of the families other than the marrriage of the two sisters. I have spent a chunk of the the day looking for a Kilmarnock in Ireland and the closest I can find is a small area of Killiney near Dublin. Did you make any further progress following on from the posts? Claire
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Hi,
I wonder if the area might be KILMANNOCK. It is a townland in the New Ross district in Co. Wexford.
Regards
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This is another avenue to investigate. I have just looked at the 1901 census for that area and can't immediately spot any Fagan's. That does not however mean there were never any Fagan's! You answer one question and always create a thousand more! I was considering if someone would state Ireland as a birth place as they always considered themself to be Irish but on further questioning revealed they were actually born in Kilmarnock Scotland? ??? ?? ??
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Hello,
If I have the right family he is with wife Sarah and son Peter in 1891. Peter is a baby. I can't see a marriage in Cumberland - do you have Sarah's maiden name from any children's birth certificates?
You could then look for a marriage in Ireland.
His marriage to Mary Murray would also give his father's name which may help.
Claire, who are the two sisters you mention?
regards
heywood
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There is a small town called Kilmallock in Co Limerick in Ireland.
regards
Ros
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James' first wife was Sarah Murphy. Edward is married to her sister Elizabeth Murphy. Edward married inFeb 1882 in Workington and his Marriage cert states his father as being Patrick (deceased) I gained info regarding James from other people on this and other sites and so have never seen his marriage cert, i have his marriage listed as 19 Sept 1889 Workington. It is ages since I worked on this branch of my tree and I cannot for the life of me remember where the info came from. From a quick search I can see it is not listed on Free BMD or ancestry but it may be second hand info or I may have obtained it from the records office. I have never been able to find James on the 1901 census although Sarah and the children are there. I also know from looking at the records Office that Owen Fagan is the Godfather of James and Sarah's daughter Rose Ann (Rose Hannah) 1901. Owen is born Kilekeel and although at the moment I have yet to obtain his marriage cert, info I have from an Irish site is giving some strong indications to link him to Edward and I always thought James! Now I am confused about James!!!! Is this a confusing answer?????? ??? ??? ??? ???
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James fagan's marriage to Sarah can be found on free BMD but his name is spelt Fagen. You know when you found it somewhere!!! I also think I have just found what I wrote down when I visisted the records office about James and Sarah's marriage it is listed as James son of Patrick 19 sept 1889. Regards Claire
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Thanks - I have the marriage now - Free BMD has him as Fagen.
So that isn't going to point to a birthplace in Ireland :-\
We'll just have to wait until Cass comes back (hopefully) for any news.
(sorry- didn't see your post with same info.)
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Don't know if this complicates the situation but I found the military records of James. During WWI he served 89 days and there is little info but he had served 18 years in the militia. With a huge helping hands from those reading armed forces threads the militia records were found. On these he claims to be have born in Newry. Does the name on the 1911 census match at all places which could be associated with Newry?
Thanks Claire
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See www.thecore.com/seanruad to find townlands, civil parishes, etc. in Ireland (be sure to change default setting from exact match). 'Kil' means church so many places in Ireland start with 'kil.'
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There are Fagans in Kilkeel,County Down..you can see them in the Griffiths Valuation,,,including a Patrick. I can see a marriage in Kilkeel in 1854 between a Patrick Fagan and a Margaret Winters,Patricks father is an Owen Fagan.Might not relate to your search,,but,thought i would mention these people as the names occur in your posts,,,i can show you the marriage detail if you wish to see it.
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just noticed doing a search that you already have this info ,,,you were on a forum in 2008,,they gave you this marriage and some baptisms of children,no James i see.
Baptism 17 Dec 1853 of John Fegan, Father Patrick Fegan, Mother Margaret Winters, Kilkeel R.C. Church.
Baptism 4 Dec 1858 of Edward Fegan, Father Patrick, Mother Margaret Winters, Kilkeel R.C. Church.
Baptism 20 Apr 1861, Mary Margaret Fegan, Father Patrick, Mother Peggy Winters, Kilkeel, R.C. Church.
Birth 20 Aug 1871, of Francis Fegan, Father Patrick, Mother Peggy Winters, Kilkeel R.C.Church.
Birth 19 Feb 1874 Owen Fegan, Father Patrick, Mother Margaret Winters, Kilkeel R.C.Church.
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Hi
Thanks for that, I had found on the second term in the militia he confirmed he was from Kilkeel. I do have the info regarding the family and I think from a different site someone had suggested a birth of a James but it was around 1852. I have been looking at the militia records of other fagans or Fegans from Kilkeel and found Owen, Edward, Patrick, Francis and James all signed up for various terms. Patrick was particularly interesting as he lists all the above brothers as next of kin and mother as Margaret. James is described as James younger and Edward as Elder. James second term he has his mother as next of kin and living in Workington but I am still searching to see if she died there, may have to take a trip to Record Office. Thank you for the continued help it is invaluable.
Claire