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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tipperary => Topic started by: David Burrows on Friday 21 October 11 06:18 BST (UK)
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Can anyone help!!
I am looking for further information about the birth and family of Benjamin John Glissan, in the English census he is listed as being born 1850 in Sopwell, Co Tipperary. He is a Doctor and I think he trained in Scotland. I have his ancestors also from the census and his son moving to Australia in 1914.
Anu help with the Irish family would be appreciated.
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Do you know what denomination Ben's family were ?
see :
Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
My Ancestor came from Ireland - where do I start? (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,498742.0.html)
Shane
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Hi everyone :)
1881 Benjamin is in Wrockwardine Shrops, grocers shopm working as a Doctor.
He's born in Ireland 31 yrs of age, he has letters after his name which, I'm sorry, I
don't know where he gained his degrees.
Could be helpful.
Wife Sarah 32 and his ma in law Sarah Freeman.
2 step sons & one son.
RG11/2681/46/14
Tinam
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Shane, I can't be sure of his religion, his son married in a registry office in Sydney and his wife was a catholic on her death certificate.
David
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Found a possible listing for Ben in a Medical Directory of 1898, which shows his qualifications.
GLISSAN, Benj. John, West St, St. George's, Wellington, Salop
- L.R.C.P.Edin. and L.M. 1871; L.F.P.S.Glasg. and LM 1871;
(Qu. Coll. Galw. and Carm. Sch. Dub.); Mem. Brit.Med.Assoc.;
late Surg.Messers. Green's E. Indian and Colon. Packets, Transatl., Mail Serv. &c
L.R.C.P.E. = Licentiate of the Royal College of Physicians Edinborough
& L.M. 1871 = Licentiate in Midwifery
L.F.P.S.G. = Licentiate of the Facility of Phsicians and Surgeons Glasgow
& L.M. 1871 = Licentiate in Midwifery
Shane
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There's a possible marriage match for Ben on FreeBMD - but the wife's surname is Cureton not Freeman as I'd expect based on the 1881 census...
Quarter/Year : Sep 1877
Registration District : Shiffnal
Sarah Cureton
Benjamin John Glissan
Volume: 6a
Page: 1025
The district of Shiffnal covers parts of Shropshire and Staffordshire - which could fit with his location on the 1881 returns.
A marriage cert should show his father's name and occupation, which might help in a search for the family in Tipperary - e.g. on Griffith's
Shane
English census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hi :)
Cureton marriage will be right as that was the name of his two step sons in 1881 census.
Was it Francis R.D his natural son who went to Oz?
Benjamin is a widow in 1901 with Francis.
I'm sorry I can't read Francis occupation.
There is a 12 yr old son Edmund, not sure if he's the one who went to Oz.
Thank you
Tinam
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well spotted - I completely missed that the step-sons were Currton - it was the mother in law's surname of Freeman that threw me. I'd say it's well worth following up the marriage - perfect match to his full name..
S.
English census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
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Hi again Shane
I think Sarah Gissan died aged 45yrs
sep qtr 1893 Wellington Shrops.
from Free BMD.
Tinam
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Me again..
In the census taken 10 yrs after 1901
We have Edmund Bloomfield 22 yrs
Francis Reginald Dalton aged 25yrs
and
Benjamin John aged 61yrs.
Wellington District.
Tinam
Added: death Edmund B Glissan
1st qtr 1947 aged 58yrs bn 1889c
Sutton Coldfield Warks.
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Could this be your rellie?
Victoria Assisted Passages
Dr F R G Glasson
9 May 1920 to Brisbane
Depart London aboard ship Ormonde
Cheers
Tinam
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Thank you for your help, the story as I know it is as follows.
Sarah Freeman married Herbert Cureton in 1869 in Birmingham. They had 2 children and I think that Herbert then died. Sarah Cureton then married Ben Glissan and they had 3 children, one of whom is my "Glissan", Francis, who emigrated to Melbourne and appears to have been married 3 times, lastly to my great aunt. Francis also was a doctor like his father.
Sarah died in 1893 and Ben then married Sarah's sister, Mary Ann, the same month and year. They had a further 4 children together.
I don't know what happened to the other son Edmund Glissan yet, and I am still hoping for a lead on Benjamin Glissan's ancestors from Tipperary Ireland.
I will try and find information on Griffiths list, but any further assistance would be greatly appreciated.
David
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Hi David
Free BMD have a death listed for a Herbert Cureton march qtr 1877 Wellington
aged 29yrs. Looks like you were correct about his death.
Sarah re-married in the Sept qtr same year to Ben.
Tinam
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That marriage is worth following up - a cert should show details of Ben's father (name & occupation), which could help narrow down the search in Tipperary.
Sopwell is a townland of 1,113 acres in Uskane civil parish, in Tipperary north riding. Civil parishes usually corresponding to Church of Ireland parishes - but I dont see any sign of records for this parish. Maybe it was covered by an adjacent parish or the records have been lost ?
If your Glissan family were RC then the RC parish which covers the area is Borrisokane. Baptism and marriage records for this parish go back to 1821 (NLI Film Pos. 2483)
I dont see any Glissan entries on Griffith's in North Tipperary, but there are numerous Gleesons. I wonder could Glissan be a variation ?
There are a number of Glissane entries in other counties.. see : link (http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&Submit.x=54&Submit.y=21&familyname=glissan&wildcard=on&firstname=&baronyname=&countyname=&unionname=&parishname=)
Shane
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There's a death in Port Hedland W.A north of the state for a Frederick R.D Glisson
in 1972.
I don't have Anx subs to open this but will ask a friend.
Cheers
Tinam
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Deaths;
1883;
Mrs Glisson; Clonmel (wife of Mr. M Glisson. D.C.P)
1841;
John Glisson; Johnson st Clonmel (75) Innkeeper
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Interred in Clonmel Prison;
12/12/1846; Mary Glisson
24/2/1852; James Glisson. (27)
10/7/1857; Bridget Glisson. (17)
5/6/1867; Michael Glisson. (22)
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Landed Estates Court Rentals;
Andrew Glisson; 1866- Lands of Monaquill.
Patrick Glisson; 1866-Lands of Monaquill
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Shearmans Directory 1839
Michael Glisson; 45, grocer, Johnson st.
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Jack
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I have ordered the 1877 marriage certificate, and will let you know the outcome.
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Hi David, good luck with the certificate, I hope you get some good info.
Cheers
Tinam
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The marriage certificate arrived yesterday. It has his fathers name "Phillip Usher Glissan" and his profession is Gentleman. Does that mean he is retired or wealthy? The (NLI Film Pos. 2483) reference, could you explain where this film is available to view
For Benjamin Glissan it has residence at the time of marriage being in Shifnal Parish, Shropshire so no indication of being from Ireland there.
I looked on World Connect.com and found entries for Glissan from Ireland and even a doctor in the 1850's so I have sent an email to them, hopefully it is still a valid address.
Any other suggestions would be appreciated.
burrod1
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NLI stands for the National Library of Ireland, which is where you can view the RC micro-films.
The pay-website of the Irish Family History Foundation (www.rootsireland.ie) has transcripts for a number of RC parish in North Tipperary. It might be worth checkin their list of sources to see if Borrisokane is included.
Shane
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Hi Burrod1
I would say if he was a gentleman, he was a man of means, perhaps a landowner?
Not sure if this of any help, Anx have a will for a Benjamin John Glissan of St George's Wellington
Shrops, died 1 Aug 1913, effects left to George Harrie Paddock and John Taylor Williams both brewers,
over eleven hundred pounds.
Free BMD have his death aged 63yrs so born around 1850.
What do you think?
1901 census he was born in Tipperary widwr 51yrs.
Tinam
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WOW, eleven hundred pounds, that must have been a big debt to leave to pay to non family members. Maybe he purchased a pub or 2.
I am going to try and contact someone on the Scottish section of Rootschat to see if I can get help in relation to his medical training in Scotland, maybe there is some information in his registration as a doctor, or when he enrolled there may be some information about who paid for his eduction or his family background.
burrod1
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Maybe it was his bar bill ;)
I'll chase up George Harrie Paddock
Cheers
Tinam
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George of Wellington, brewer, died in Liverpool, 20 Gambier Terrace Hope St
24 July 1916 probate at Shrewsbury 1917, effects of over 1,700 pounds to
John Vernon Thomas Lander, gentleman.
T.M
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I finally got some information back from the Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Glasgow, below is the essence of their reply;
"Thank you for your email. Benjamin John Glissan appears in our register of licentiates on 13th January 1871. The details recorded are as follows:
ˇ Age: 21
ˇ Place of birth: Sopwell Hall
ˇ Present place of residence: Dublin
ˇ Where educated: Galway
He first appears in the Medical Register of 1874, listed as residing in Breconshire. In later editions, however, he is listed at the West Street address you have given below. Later editions of the Medical Directory also indicate that he gained the qualification of M.D. from Durham University in 1898."
I googled Sopwell Hall and found it in Tipperary, it is an historic home, but there is no mention of Glissan's living there. Would anyone have any further local knowledge of the home or of records for it's inhabitants during the 1850's.
I have also established that his fathers name was Phillip Usher Glissan.
I look forward to your replies.
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The surnames associated with the Hall itself are Sadleir, and later Trench (Lord Ashtown). You can see a list of the heads of household at Sopwell townland, where Sopwell Hall was located, on Griffith's Valuation. This entry is dated 1852.
Sopwell townland (http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/z/zoomifyDynamicViewer.php?file=256186&path=./pix/256/&rs=7&showpage=1&mysession=2287760233198&width=900&height=680)
Maybe Benjamin's family were living near the Estate, or his father worked there ?
No sign that I see of a Phillip Glissan on Griffiths...
Shane
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The National Library has a rental of the Trench estates in Tipperary might be worthwhile having a look at it - a bit of a long shot as it seems Philip Glissane was not renting land in the area but as Shane says was possibly working on the estate - perhaps estate manager, land agent or similar.
http://sources.nli.ie/Record/MS_UR_061814
I checked rootsireland as they have Borrisokand RC records from 1821 - nothing for Benjamin Glissane - 3 R.C. church records in 1848 for Edward, Mary and William Gleeson with father Philip. Doesn't seem these are relevant.
Unfortunately the Borrisokane Church of Ireland records are only available from 1877 the earlier ones don't seem to have survived.
annclare
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Came across this site that may be of interest.
http://www.glendafae.com/getperson.php?tng_extras=1&personID=I331&tree=Glenda
annclare