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Title: The Chilcott family
Post by: ronc on Thursday 20 October 11 15:55 BST (UK)
Hi I am trying to get any information about the chilcott family in and around East anglia. We know about John Chilcott and his 4 daughters but would like to know more about there like. My partner has links to the gypsy/traveller and is keen to know more.
Title: Re: The Chilcott family
Post by: Captain2 on Thursday 20 October 11 16:10 BST (UK)
Hello and a warm welcome to Rootschat.   Is there a particular family you are interested in? or a time period ? Many of us will be pleased to help if we can if you could offer a little more information about what  (or who) you are looking for. 

Kind Regards
Title: Re: The Chilcott family
Post by: CitizenSmith on Friday 21 October 11 08:47 BST (UK)
Hi Ronc

Welcome aboard.

Which of John's daughters is your partner descended from? I've been researching these Chilcotts for 20 years and have a lot to share. They travelled with my Smith family in East Anglia and intermarried with them.

Look forward to hearing more.

Best wishes
Sharon
Title: Re: The Chilcott family
Post by: NettieS on Friday 21 October 11 15:05 BST (UK)

Hi,
Found this on Romany Jib.

http://gypsyjib.wetpaint.com/page/Chilcott+Family

and this one is interesting to as it refers to what Sharon was saying.

http://borrowsgypsies.wordpress.com/

Regards
Lyne
Title: Re: The Chilcott family
Post by: ronc on Saturday 22 October 11 14:00 BST (UK)
Hi To all of you out there. We are trying to find out where  the Chilcott's originated from. We know they where in the norwich area but did they or any of them come from any other parts of the country.
My partner Rose Chilcott's family tree shows that there were Travellers and Hawkers etc.  during the 1800's and probilly before that in Somerset and Dorset, plus a few other places. The question is is there a link. Other names linked to them are Grey, Smith, Lovell, Cole etc..
We have seen george Barrows blog and gypsy jib thanks.
What do you think?
Title: Re: The Chilcott family
Post by: Captain2 on Saturday 22 October 11 17:27 BST (UK)
Hi Ronc  Having read Sharons post  I would say she is probably in the best position to help you as she has been researching the family for a number of years. Have you had a look at Free Reg ? I had a quick look.. there are 883 baptisms and 524 marriages listed in Somerset! Seems they are a large family!

I will bow out of the post as I do not know the family and I'm certain that Sharon will be much better placed, as I said earlier, to help you

Good luck with your research
Title: Re: The Chilcott family
Post by: BeckyJL on Tuesday 22 November 11 18:18 GMT (UK)
Looking for any Traveller? Gypsy connections in South West for Chilcott +Winter
Title: Re: The Chilcott family
Post by: CitizenSmith on Tuesday 22 November 11 22:46 GMT (UK)
Hi BeckyJL

Can you give us the first name of your grandmother, please? That will help in our searches. Thanks.

Best wishes
Sharon
Title: Re: The Chilcott family
Post by: BeckyJL on Wednesday 23 November 11 09:21 GMT (UK)
Grandmother Chilcott
Title: Re: The Chilcott family
Post by: BeckyJL on Wednesday 23 November 11 09:52 GMT (UK)
Looking for the parents of Thomas Chilcott who married Elizabeth Winter in 1799. Mother could be Mary Hill who had an illegitimate son, Thomas in 1755 Cullompton.
Title: Re: The Chilcott family
Post by: ronc on Wednesday 23 November 11 16:14 GMT (UK)
Hi Beckyjl, you say that fred died in ww1. Do you have any further details about him and eliza. Date of birth etc.. Who were there parents. I do have lots of details about the Chilcotts in Somerset. We have been looking at the chilcott family for a long time trying to work it out. We have spoken to a few Chilcott's but not got far as they do not seem interested.
Thank you
Title: Re: The Chilcott family
Post by: BeckyJL on Wednesday 23 November 11 22:17 GMT (UK)
Eliza Stockham married Frederick Chilcott in1869. I got back as far as 1799 to Thomas Chilcott who married Elizabeth Winter, and had one son John, born 1801. They were in Dulverton. My Grandmother told me that they came from Dulverton, and it looks like she was correct. There are a lot of Chilcotts in that Parish.(Brushford). I can't get any more info yet. I did find something that is puzzling me-Under 'Strays' in the Somerset Parish records, I found a marriage between a John Chilcott and Mary (Hill???) 1757.Under 'Strays' there is a baptism of a Mary Chilcott 1757 (same year) and parents named as John and Mary. Why would a Chilcott be classed as a 'Stray' in a Parish full of Chilcotts?
Title: Re: The Chilcott family
Post by: BeckyJL on Thursday 24 November 11 10:16 GMT (UK)
I have found a Cullompton Baptism 1755, Thomas- son of Mary Hill. All the other sons and daughters on the list have the name of the Father, (except one other woman whose child is described as 'base born'). Does this signify that Thomas was an illegitimate child? If it's the same Mary Hill who married the (Stray) John Chilcott in Dulverton 1757 then this Thomas could be my Great Great Great Grandfather. Sorry to bore everyone with my findings, but my Gran insisted we have Romany blood. Maybe John Chilcott fathered Thomas out of wedlock with Mary????and married her later on in Dulverton? Who knows? If it is him, that makes Thomas about 44 when he got married to Elizabeth Winter. Is this unusual?????
Title: Re: The Chilcott family
Post by: ronc on Thursday 24 November 11 14:26 GMT (UK)
Hi Beckyjl, Yes base born is illegitimate. You say Frederick married eliza in 1869? I may be wrong but Frederick shows that he was born 1871 and Eliza in 1872.
John did marry Mary hill in 1723.
Title: Re: The Chilcott family
Post by: CitizenSmith on Thursday 24 November 11 14:28 GMT (UK)
Hi BeckyJL

Why would a Chilcott be classed as a 'Stray' in a Parish full of Chilcotts?

He might be considered a 'stray' if he hadn't been born in the parish but had come in from somewhere else. Under the Settlement legislation in force at the time, someone who didn't officially belong to a parish couldn't claim poor relief from it if he fell on hard times. So parish clerks were careful to note in their records if baptisms or marriages related to in-comers.

Best wishes
Sharon
Title: Re: The Chilcott family
Post by: CitizenSmith on Thursday 24 November 11 14:40 GMT (UK)
Hi BeckyJL

If it is him, that makes Thomas about 44 when he got married to Elizabeth Winter. Is this unusual?????

Perhaps Thomas had another wife before he married Elizabeth. Does his marriage entry record him as a bachelor or widower?

A question: does it look like this family spent most of their time in Dulverton or surrounding villages - baptised, married and buried there over several generations? If so, that sedentary nature goes against them having Romany blood. In the 18th and 19th centuries, you'd expect to see some hard evidence of mobility if these Chilcotts were Gypsies.

You might have to consider that the Romany blood comes not from the Chilcotts but from a woman who married into the family.

Best wishes
Sharon
Title: Re: The Chilcott family
Post by: BeckyJL on Thursday 24 November 11 16:20 GMT (UK)
Citizensmith, you are right, that wedding date is clearly wrong. I'm not sure where that popped out from. You have found a different John and Mary Hill date too. Perhaps Gran just made it all up! Thanks for your information though. It's still a fascinating family, whether we descended from Romanys or not, maybe something will emerge later on down the road!! I do want to find out about Thomas Chilcott and Elizabeth Winter 1799, if you hear or see any info, I would be most grateful. I read that Winter is a German Romany/Sinti name. Oh dear, I'm off again!!!!
Title: Re: The Chilcott family
Post by: CitizenSmith on Thursday 24 November 11 16:37 GMT (UK)
Hi BeckyJL

Yes - Winter is a recognised Romany name but it's most often found among Romany families further north and further east: Derbyshire, Lincolnshire, Cheshire and Suffolk, according to Bob Dawson's 'Gypsy Names for Genealogists: Volume 1 - Surnames'.

Best wishes
Sharon
Title: Re: The Chilcott family
Post by: BeckyJL on Saturday 26 November 11 11:01 GMT (UK)
Thanks Citizen Smith. I hope you have more success than me finding your Romany People. I can't see why gran would have instilled this in me as a kid, unless it was a complete fantasy of hers. Anyway, I'm obviously in the wrong section here, so I'll bid you farewell. X
Title: Re: The Chilcott family
Post by: CitizenSmith on Saturday 26 November 11 17:32 GMT (UK)
Hi BeckyJL

I wouldn't give up. There's usually a lot of truth in stories that have come down through the family. So hold on to Gran's information and keep on investigating that line.

Best wishes
Sharon
Title: Re: The Chilcott family
Post by: CitizenSmith on Wednesday 14 December 11 15:04 GMT (UK)
For anyone who wants details about the East Anglian Chilcott family, there's a newly published article about them online here:

www.gypsygenealogy.com/showarticle.php?article_id=20

Best wishes
Sharon
Title: Re: The Chilcott family
Post by: BeckyJL on Thursday 20 August 15 22:30 BST (UK)
Gosh, have not visited this forum for quite a long time! Just to say, I have managed to aquire a few old sepia photos of Grandmother Chilcott and all but one of her brothers and sisters. Photos like these have been almost impossible to get hold of.( Long story! )
She was olive skinned and always kept out of the sun, as I recall, and one brother looks similar. The others are dark skinned and dark haired.
I never met any of my Great uncles and aunts. I still don't know if they actually were Romany or not, but they sure look like Romany people.
I may never find out why my family history was either hidden or destroyed.
Anyway, I feel I can genuinely describe myself as Diddikai.
Not  'part this', or 'half that'. I have survived this far, and I am a Diddikai STAR.
Blessings.
Title: Re: The Chilcott family
Post by: Marian White on Saturday 23 April 16 12:09 BST (UK)
Hi, Becky JL

I realise that it is a long time since you logged in but I would like to make contact as it would appear we are researching the same family.

My grandmother was Eveline Sarah Chilcott, sister of Gladys.

Regards
Title: Re: The Chilcott family
Post by: BeckyJL on Saturday 23 April 16 14:38 BST (UK)
Dear Marion,
Thankyou for your message. Gran's parents were Fred and Eliza Chilcott, and they lived near Puritan which is near Bridgwater, Somerset. I am certain that one of her sisters was Eveline. She had a sister called Lily, and another called Beatie, a brother Len and brother Jack.
If this connects us then it would be fascinating to hear from you. My email address is-(*)

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Yours sincerely
Becky Jaswinder-Leest
Title: Re: The Chilcott family
Post by: Marian White on Saturday 23 April 16 18:41 BST (UK)
Sent an email with a family spread sheet attached.

Think that we may be first cousins, once removed!

Marian