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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Durham => England => Durham Lookup Requests => Topic started by: christay on Thursday 20 October 11 11:28 BST (UK)
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Hello, I am trying to confirm the marriage of Isaac Legender to Elizabeth Henderson abt 1849 in Durham probably Gateshead. Any help very much appreciated.
Also they seem to go missing in the 1871 and 1881 census data. Any ideas?
What I know is that they have a son James 22/10/1851 (my 2x maternal grt grandfather) registered in Gateshead and living in High St. Isaac's occupation is Iron Founder on the birth cert.
I think 3 other children: Chapman dob abt 1850, Ann dob abt 1854 and Alice dob abt 1857.
Many thanks,
:)
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Eliabeth Henderson married Isaac L. Genders, 1847, Newcastle All Saints.
From freeBMD Elizabeth Henderson and Isaac Lee Genders, 4q 1847 Newcastle on Tyne 25, 394
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Aha well that surname spelling is interesting. I haven't come across that before. Maybe that's why they go missing in two census years?!
Thank you so very much for taking the time to help me out. :)
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This seems to be them in 1851
High St Gateshead Durham
Isaac legender Hed M 24 Sunderland durham
Elizabeth wife 19 Gateshead
Chapman W son 1mth Gateshead
HO107 2402
seems son was Chapman Wright Legender
birth reg FreeBMD
Mar qtr 1850 Gateshead 24 1461
there is a probate record for Isaac Le Genders in 1903 died Gatehead-is this your man??
Suz
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Death reg FreeBMD
Isaac Legender Dec qtr 1903 age 78 10a 591
Probate calender
Isaac Le Genders of 7 villa Place Gatehead died 11 Oct 1903 at 102 Saltwell Rd Gatehead. Probate London 29 Oct to William Audas, machinist
Effects £18 18s
Suz
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Isaac is married to a Drucilla aged 60 from Leeds in the 1891 census.
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Thank you both so very much.
I do believe "my" Isaac died in 1903 as it fits with his dob, although I don't have a copy of this death cert. I do have a 2nd marriage to a Drucilla - but not the cert at the moment, so not substantiated.
Sincerely appreciate your help.
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Hi Suz,
Well here is some great news ;D
I fished around one of the subscription sites and found Isaac's daughter Ann on some census data. Then decided to look for a marriage for her and it came up with a match for a Joshua Audas. I can then assume that the William Audas mentioned in the probate was Isaac's grandson. Not my direct line as I am from one of Isaac's son's - James.
So, thanks to you I have found a match for a marriage as well and it all ties in!! ;D ;D
Time for bed for me in Australia.
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At the moment I can't see them in 1871 or 1881. Or in 1861 come to that - where were they, please, Christay ?
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Hi JenB,
I still don't have Isaac in 1871 or 1881 but do have his daughter Ann Legender - RG10/ 5095/ 60 p15
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Then Ann Legender married Joshua Audas in 1873 and she appears on the 1871 census: RG11/5035/135 p: 19.
Isaac's first wife Elizabeth dies in 1859. He is with his brother and sister in law in the 1861 census - and daughter Ann.
Thanks again for your help.
Definitely time for bed now! :D
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Hi Jenb
I can't find them in 1871/81
Here is Isaac and daughter Ann in 1861
5 Sandhill All Saints Northumberland
Thomas Brannan Head M 30 Licensed victualler hexham Northumberland
Eleanor wife 33 Gateshead Durham
Thomas son 6 Newcastle Tyne
Eleanor M daughter 1 Newcastle Tyne
Ann Henderson Mother in law widow 68 Gateshead
ISAAC LEGENDER brother in law M 37 Moulder Sunderland Durham
ANN LEGENDER neice 7 Newcastle on Tyne
Ann Guthrie servant 11 ditto
RG9 3826 5327
no elizabeth though???
edit -si Isaac was a widower in 1861?? It looks clearly like "M" on image???? (to me!!!)
Suz
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Got him now, many thanks.
It definitely says 'mar'.
Where is son Chapman in 1861 - he seems to have died in 1867?
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So, thanks to you I have found a match for a marriage as well and it all ties in!! ;D ;D
I will get the full marriage details for you next time I go to Tyne & Wear Archives - should be fairly soon :)
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Isaac is married to a Drucilla aged 60 from Leeds in the 1891 census.
Yes, I see now - Isaac Legender & Drucilla Donnelly, 2nd q. 1886, Gateshead 10a, 1013.
I see Drucilla is calling herself Donnelly in 1901, while poor old Isaac is a 'pauper' in the Gateshead Union Workhouse.
Her death is recorded as Dracilla Legender 3rd q 1907, Gateshead 10a, 601
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Eliabeth Henderson married Isaac L. Genders, 1847, Newcastle All Saints.
From freeBMD Elizabeth Henderson and Isaac Lee Genders, 4q 1847 Newcastle on Tyne 25, 394
Newcastle All Saints, 15th December 1847
Isaac Lee Genders, full age, bachelor, Moulder of Plummer Chare, father Chapman Lee Genders, mariner
Elizabeth Henderson, minor, spinster of Dog Bank, father Robert Henderson decd., Cartman.
Both Isaac and Elizabeth made their mark.
Witnesses were James Slater and George Leonard.
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hi, have just found this thread whilst googling.
i have connections to the legender family through a
Mary legender bap.8/6/1815 sunderland d/o james Alexander legender 1791 & Elizabeth Annison.
she had a brother James Alexander legender 1826 sunderland.
Elizabeth Annison died feb 1821 & JA Legender snr remarried Ann George nov 1821.
the 1841 census shows JA Legender snr as not born in county but think i have Eliz Annison as b. newcastle so he could be from there.
wonder whether these fit into your family above - unusual name and you have some james..
any ideas?
Diddy
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have just found a tree on A* which seems to link these families together - originally from Essex. need to check tomorrow see if any sources to verify.
Diddy
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have been on Essex ancestors (SEAX site) and found the baptism of my James Alexander Legender 24/2/1789 s/o Isaac legender & Mary jacobs inng,essex
also found Marys baptism but not isaacs. Various trees on A* have isaac born France /died france /born essex etc. prob need to have a better hunt on Essex ancestors (sub for day £5)
seems to tie in with your family as Chapman legender 4/12/1792 was James brother.
Diddy
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The Legender's are part of my family history too, through the Chapman Legender line (father of your Isaac Alexander Legender), but from elder brother James b.1833 (twin brother of John Wright). I have quite a lot of info now for the Legender siblings, which you can find on my Ancestry tree, Linz family tree, if you're interested. At the moment I only go back as far as parents Isaac Legender (b.1754 tbc) and Mary Jacobs, married in Mistley Essex in 1773. I think Isaac's parents may be Isaac and Sarah but not sure yet. If anyone has more info to get me further back, that would be great! This is so addictive isn't it?!
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Great to hear from you. Sounds like we have got to a similar spot in terms of how far back we have gone. I have a copy of a family tree that the Legenders here in Australia put together, however I have no other documents to support it. I will follow up with my sister who made initial contact with them and see if she can ask them for copies of docs to be sent through.
Thanks and I will keep in contact.
Christay :)
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Hi Mrstulip, welcome to RC!
cristay & I have been exchanging PM's as well with more detailed info. once you have posted 3 times you can join in!!
just reply to this or a few smiles
Diddy ;D
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Thanks both of you for replying! Most of my info comes from census records and BMD searches (i've been going to Newcastle city library to search for free) but the really old stuff is harder to come by! Would be great to exchange notes!
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:)
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Hi, I'm new to this site, and to chat rooms in general. However, I came across your reference to Chapman Legender Wright. Uncle Gens, as he was known in my family, is almost a relative! My father's aunt, Alice Whitehead, was described as Uncle Gens live-in housekeeper, or common-law wife as we would call her now. Legender is my father's middle name, mine too, and now my son's.
Although not directly related the seemingly rare name has always been of interest. Anything you can add will be of interest.
Regards,
Steve (Legender)
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Hi, the legender family as you can see from the thread came to Tyneside form Essex (manningtree ) and maybe before from France - Heugeunots?
They were mainly mariners - hence the move up North.
several of us have corresponded by email in the past so not all info is listed here. Once you have posted 3 times you can use the PM system - happy to provide further info needed.
Diddy
3x GGrandmother was a Legender
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Hi all
I have a page from the family bible listing the children of Isaac and Mary Legender, starting with "Isaac Legender was Born in Mistly in 1777 (indecipherable) died & was buried Mistly ...
1779 January 4 Chapman John Legender was born in Mistly."
Then listed are Betsy-1781, Mary-1784, Mary-1785, Isaac-1786, Sukey-1787, James Alexander-1789, John Jacobs-1791, Chapman-1792, William-1796 ? (not sure of that date).
My grandfather, Legender William Myers, told me we were descended from a couple of brothers, Hugenots, who emigrated to Mistly from France just before the massacre of St Bartholomews Eve in 1572.
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Hi I have all the details of Isaac and his family from the Essex records online and info from another family member imonce corresponded with.
I am descended through James Alexander his son . Isaacs was my 4x grandfather.
If you post a couple more messages..even if it's only Hi..then I can pm (private message) you with all info.
Diddy
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I now have all family details back to Thomas Le Gendre 1533 Rouen.
Diddy
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Isaac you gave is born 3 Feb 1777 died 21 jan 1778 Mistley son of Isaacs & Mary Jacobs
who had the other children you listed.
Diddy
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William was baptised 21 dec 1794 died 6 Mar 1871 sunderland.
Diddy
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Hi Diddy
Just relaying what is written on the bible page. Admittedly, some of the info is smudged.
Would you like to see a copy of it? I am not sure how to do that, but would be willing to try.
Susan.
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Would love to. Info you gave so far i agree with and have other sources for. I had a Legendre family tree from another family member years ago.
You should be able to take a pic and attach .see help section if not sure.
Diddy
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Will do.
I tried to scan it in, but the copy was really smudged.
I will talk with other family members who are more computer literate than I am and see what they suggest.
Susan Legender Clarke
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I have just put my hands on the extensive family tree i was sent wome years ago.has all branches and goes back to 1533 I need to digitalise it... lady who sent it wasn't able to!
Diddy
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turns out Susan & I are 5th cousins.. welcome to the Legender clan! Info being swopped privately.
Diddy