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Title: Help needed please
Post by: AliceO on Tuesday 18 October 11 21:58 BST (UK)


Could someone please help decipher this occupation.

Thanks, AliceO
Title: Re: Help needed please
Post by: HeatherLynne on Tuesday 18 October 11 23:39 BST (UK)
Well I'm pretty sure the second word is Builder but the first has me stumped.  Can you post a little more so we can see how the writer forms different letters please?

Heather

p.s.  doesn't really look like it, but could it be Master Builder?  How old is the person it refers to?
Title: Re: Help needed please
Post by: candleflame on Tuesday 18 October 11 23:54 BST (UK)
Probably completely off beam but does the top part of the cert say Durham in which case what about a funny way of writing Organ Builder. The very famous Harrison and Harrison organ builders started in 1861 and came to Durham in 1872. They are still in Durham now. I know it doesn't actually look like organ but its what came to my mind becuase of the end part of the word- its just the front thats funny.
Title: Re: Help needed please
Post by: AliceO on Wednesday 19 October 11 00:20 BST (UK)


Thanks for your replies. I'm having trouble downsizing the certificate to compare writing.
Hope this one works!
Title: Re: Help needed please
Post by: HeatherLynne on Wednesday 19 October 11 08:08 BST (UK)
Thanks for posting more of the cert, although it should help loads it's still a struggle!  The first letter looks most like the 'A' of Ann in the witness's name but with the bottom of the letter not showing, the next letter could be a 'g' and I thought it might be Agric. Builder but probably not.  Candleflame's Organ Builder is a possibility but I wondered if it might be something to do with ship building as there are two shipowners on the cert?  Maybe someone local to Durham would know a dialect word/name for a type of ship that it could be?

This is really tantalising, we should be able to read it but it's still a puzzle.

Heather
Title: Re: Help needed please
Post by: brianz on Wednesday 19 October 11 10:07 BST (UK)
Could the first word be "Retired??
Title: Re: Help needed please
Post by: avm228 on Wednesday 19 October 11 11:11 BST (UK)
I don't think I can add much to the reading of Thomas' occupation, but just in case William was prone to understating his age in later life you may want to keep this baptism in reserve (from www.familysearch.org):

Baptism, Sunderland, Durham

22 Sep 1811

William ROGERS, born 29 Dec 1807, son of Thomas ROGERS and Jane Mc MARBRIDE

(and also on the same date)

James ROGERS, born 17 Dec 1809, son of Thomas ROGERS and Jane Mc MARBRIDE
Title: Re: Help needed please
Post by: stanmapstone on Wednesday 19 October 11 13:57 BST (UK)
It could be mason Builder with a long S in mason. This is an example of a directory entry.

Stan
Title: Re: Help needed please
Post by: candleflame on Wednesday 19 October 11 16:38 BST (UK)
With ships and Bishopwearmouth recorded - near the sea - I don't think Durham city's organ builders- not next to the sea-  is a good suggestion- but I tried :)
I don't suppose you have tracked the senior family down on the 1851 census( if Thomas was still alive then) which might show an occupation?
It is very difficult handwriting to read - but then who am I to talk :)
Title: Re: Help needed please
Post by: stanmapstone on Wednesday 19 October 11 16:45 BST (UK)
So you don't think it is "mason"  :)

Stan
Title: Re: Help needed please
Post by: candleflame on Wednesday 19 October 11 16:52 BST (UK)
I'm not clever enough to say Stan and I know what you mean about the old long 'S' style. I think for me, if it was, I'd have expected all the other Sssss on the certificate to also be long ones, and I don't think they appear to be. Its very frustrating.
Title: Re: Help needed please
Post by: AliceO on Wednesday 19 October 11 22:11 BST (UK)

Thank you all so much for your help and suggestions.
Much appreciated.
AliceO