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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Glamorganshire => Topic started by: dellaraymond on Tuesday 18 October 11 18:50 BST (UK)
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Hi Everyone
Please can anyone help me find the graves of my Grand Parents.
Sarah Charles died in Nov 1946 aged 73 at Coegnant Road Caerau and her husband George Charles died in Oct 1946 aged 81 at Coegnant Road Caerau.
Also Iris Raymond died Dec 1918 aged 3 at Llwydarth Cottages Maesteg.
Many Thanks Della
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If no-one replies in the meantime, I'll be popping down the records office in Bridgend so will have a look in the burial records for Llan and Maesteg.
Any idea of the religious denomination? Just checking as there are a few small graveyards in some of the chapels, although I have no idea when the burials in these places would have started or finished.
If I get time (and assuming I can find any records), I'll try to get a photo of the grave if I can find it
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Should have said would be popping down Saturday ;)
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Hi Halfasheep
I think they were both c of e,it will be great if you get the time to look for them
Many Thanks Della
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No problem - will be down there first thing hopefully - may get lucky since they are later burials
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Hi Della, bit of a funny one here I'm afraid.
I've found George buried in Maesteg Cemetary, but no sign of his wife or Iris. It's been quite hard locating them in all honesty.
There was no record for any of them in Llangynwyd Cemetary (using the GFHS guides), so I checked the Maesteg Burials CD (again, GFHS).
Nothing in the transcriptions of the records for all three of them, so I checked the scans of the original books. George appears as living in 50 Coegnant Road, burial date of 17/10/1946. Unconsecrated grave section A.M., plot 962.
However, there is nothing in the scans for Iris (checked 1918/1919), or Sarah (checked 1946/1947)??
I've not got time to pop up the cemetary today, but am off on Thursday so I will pop up then and see the groundsmen to get them to show me where the grave is - I will get a photo regardless.
Typically, because the burial of George has not been transcribed, there is no x-ref to whoever else is buried in the same grave. I may be able to find out more on Thursday, but it's a start
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Hi Halfasheep
Many thanks for the work your doing you have got further in one week than I managed in three years,could the reason Charles is in unconsecrated ground be due to the fact that he committed suicide, he cut his throat with a razor so it says on his death certificate.As for Sarah I really don't now what to say I cant seem to get anywere with that one, she could be buried with Charles I suppose hopefully you might be able to shed some light on it.I know that Iris's parents David Edmund Raymond and Esther Ann Raymond are buried in Llan I have seen their grave and all their other children including my father are buried there.
Hope to hear from you soon.
Once again many thanks, Della
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I think the unconsecrated ground part of it is just to separate it from the Roman Catholic plots (they were separate intially, but everyone is mixed in now), although back then it is possible.
In Llan cemetary, the grave stones of suicide burials are actually facing the opposite way to the "normal" burials as was apparently the custom.
Do you have the death certificate for Sarah? I assume that you do from the details you have provided, and suspect that she was living in Coegnant road at the time. Any further info you can give me may help me locate her.
Interestingly, I have been going back through the grave records in Maesteg. They list them at the time of the first internment, and then add subsequent internments under the original entry (i.e. first burial in 1919 is the first entry, and then 1942 is added, 1943, etc).
I cannot find an internment for Iris in 1919, but neither is there a record for 17/10/1946 for Charles, so presumably he is not the first burial in that grave - possible he is in with his parents? Do you have any details on them - it may lead me back though to the original grave record and it may turn up some more relatives
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Della, I hate to put a massive stick in the spoke of your bike wheel, but are you aware that George may have been married prior to Sarah?
I've just found a burial for Mary Charles, "wife of George Charles, 56 Coegnant Road". Buried in Maesteg cemetary, and it looks like possibly the same grave as George.
She was buried on 2nd March 1929, age 65???
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Sarah was born in July 1874 in Newcastle,Bridgend her fathers name was Richard Heal(Hill?)mothers name Martha.
She married John James Blackmore 1894,then married Richard Webb 1904?.
She then married George Charles nov 1929 he would have been 64 years old and she was 55,so yes he was probably married before,so maybe you have come across something that would help find where they are buried.It never occurred to me before that they were that old when they married also the fact that he is my step grandfather and that Richard Webb was my real grandfather.If you need any other info please let me know.
Much Appreciated Della
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Rightio. I'd hazard a guess that Sarah could possibly be buried in Bridgend in that case, possibly with her parents, or even with Richard somewhere? She's definately not in with George, and I can find no reference to her in Maesteg Cemetary.
I'm back down the records office on Thursday, so I'll see what I can find - any idea where Richartd was buried?
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none whatsoever I'm afraid,good luck for Thursday.
Della
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Lovely - you're going to owe me a Xmas card for this ;D
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Ok I will buy you a pint when i'm in Maesteg in a few weeks time!
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Not a lot of pubs left open now, but thanks for the thought ;)
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Mixed results again I'm afraid - no sign of Sarah in Newcastle either, but I think I've got some more detail on her family (if you don't already have the following:
Newcastle baptism of a John Hill on 13/06/1869 - parents noted as Richard and Martha
Newcastle burial of a John Heal on 19/01/1870 (age 9 months - age would be a little bit out - no details of parents)
But I also found the following two burials listed in Newcastle:
Richard Hill - 01/07/1875 (age 25)
Martha Heal - 26/07/1876 (age 28)
No baptism for Sarah listed. Haven't got time to get up Maesteg Cemetary sorry (and it is bucketing it down anyway!)
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Hi Halfasheep
Sorry it took me so long to reply I have been very busy over the weekend (I own a pub/function room).
The info you found is all new to me I am well happy with it all,I can now add a bit more to my Tree thanks to you.
Hope you can find out where the elusive Sarah is buried!
Hope the rain stopped?That's what you get for living in lovely Wales Ha Ha
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She's very elusive isn't she?? And it's still raining as usual.
I may be down the records office on Saturday - I'll have a quick look in the local papers for her death - may be lucky to find something and it may mention the burial. Locating her grave may unfortunately require asking Bridgend councl directly though as the Glamorgan burials CD is a bit rubbish and doesn't have half the burials in the booklets that GFHS have produced (and there are a lot of them to wade through!)
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Where is Newcastle is it near Bridgend?
Is it Bridgend County Council that I get in touch with regarding Sarah.
Cheers Della
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Newcastle is in Bridgend, not entirely sure where, but I think it's on the road towards Porthcawl, just on the outskirts of Bridgend