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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: Jardiner on Tuesday 18 October 11 17:11 BST (UK)
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Hi folks
In approx 1929 a least 2 great Aunts of mine left Belfast, Northern Ireland and travelled to Canada. Like a lot of family history there are some conflicting pieces of information and alas those who could possibily shed some light on the matter have all left this earth.
There was Rachel King and Minnie King and there was possibily Margaret King although I'm not that sure about her. The Rachel married S Lloyd Earl(e) and Minnie married Arthur McQuillan.
The dispute is that it could be the other way round.
I know the Earl(e) family had a son Billy who I believe had a daughter Linda who has apparently wriiten a book on the family.
There is also a Katleen who is a daughter to some relative as I have a copy letter written by her in the 1960s to her Uncle (my grandfather) in which refers to Minnie and Rachel as her aunts.
The letter is written on headed paper bearing the name Bengough municipal hospital.
I would like to close the book on these folk but just want to let anyone who is related to them that there are relatives in Northern Ireland / Scotland.
Any info would be grateful.
Regards
jardiner
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It would be helpful if you would provide some information such as birth date and parents name for Rachel, Minnie and Margaret. As well, you should remove the given names for any person who may still be alive as RootsChat policy does not allow posting that type of information.
Unfortunately there is no central register for BMD events in Canada as it is a provincial jurisdiction. As well, privacy laws vary from province to province. I googled Bengough and it is in Saskatchewan. Saskatchewan does have a geneology database online however it does not include marriages. As well it does indicate that marriages from less than 75 years ago are covered by privacy laws.
I did find a Form 30 for a Rachel King who was on the Empress of Britain which arrived in St John, New Brunswick on 31 Mar 1921. She was 34 years old, born in Belfast and going to join her sister in Balcarres, Saskatchewan. She lists her mother as her nearest relative in Ireland - Mrs. A. King, 12 Queen Victoria St, Belfast. The sister appears to be married but I can't make out the surname. Here's a link to the Form 30:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0fqm/
Could this be the Rachel you are looking for?
Jacquie
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Hi Jacquie in Canada
Thank-you for the reply. You're right of course I should have provided more information and here goes
All were born in Belfast. Rachel born: 1896. Minnie born: 1889. Margaret born 1895.
Parents were Michael Alfred King ( or just Alfred) and Margaret (nee Edgar).
So Yes, it could be her but as always some things just don't fit. Mothers initial ( could be family name like -Aggie). Her age is not right ( in 1911 census she was 15, 10 yrs later she would be 25 +/- 1 yr. The address however is spot on.
The other names metioned I assumed were no longer with us however, on reflection the 2 ladies could still be alive - sorry about that.
Once again, many thanks.
jardiner
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Hi,
I just looked at the Form 30 that Jacquie found. I think the age on the form is 24, not 34. This fits with your information. Also, I found a passenger list from Feb 4 1921, which lists Rachel King, age 24 going to Balcarres. Her name has a line through it, so she didn't actually make that trip (I guess she came in March instead.).
RK :)
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Hi again,
I just found Minnie on a passenger list - her destination is Balcarres, Sask. She is Irish and 23 years old.
She was on the Lake Manitoba, departing from Liverpool and arriving in St. John New Brunswick on the 29th of March 1912. It says she is going to be a servant.
RK :)
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Parents were Michael Alfred King ( or just Alfred) and Margaret (nee Edgar).
So Yes, it could be her but as always some things just don't fit. Mothers initial ( could be family name like -Aggie). Her age is not right ( in 1911 census she was 15, 10 yrs later she would be 25 +/- 1 yr. The address however is spot on.
Mother could be Mrs. A. King (A as in Alfred)
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Thank-you all for the input. They are definitely the same ladies and I realised,just after I'd written my reply, that of course the 'A' stood for Alfred. Margaret is the missing link. Rachel and Minnie- Canada,other siblings - remaining in Northern Ireland or England. However if I give an extract from the letter from "Bengough Rural Municipal hospital" written by K on 30th November (somtime in the 1960s)
" Dear Uncle Alf and Aunt Sadie (my Grandparents)......I hear from Aunt Rachel often and she sent me your address. Aunt Minnie passed away on the 19th Nov and laid to rest on 21st in Regina...Uncle Alex will be very lonely now....We are not looking forward to Christmas this year without Mom and dad"
All this would indicate that another sister went to Canada and the writer is related.
Kind regards
jardiner
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I just looked at the Form 30 that Jacquie found. I think the age on the form is 24, not 34. This fits with your information.
It does look like it could be 24 on the Form 30 but the actual passenger list has 34. That could have been a typo on the passenger list though.
" Dear Uncle Alf and Aunt Sadie (my Grandparents)......I hear from Aunt Rachel often and she sent me your address. Aunt Minnie passed away on the 19th Nov and laid to rest on 21st in Regina...Uncle Alex will be very lonely now....We are not looking forward to Christmas this year without Mom and dad"
The possible husbands you listed for Rachel and Minnie were named S. Lloyd and Arthur. Whose Alex?
Jacquie
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Hi again,
I just found Minnie on a passenger list - her destination is Balcarres, Sask. She is Irish and 23 years old.
She was on the Lake Manitoba, departing from Liverpool and arriving in St. John New Brunswick on the 29th of March 1912. It says she is going to be a servant.
Here's a link to the image of the passenger list for Minnie King (line 2):
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0fr0/
Jacquie
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"Furrows in Time" A History of Balcarres and District was published in 1987. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to be available online at OurRoots website. You could either contact the Regina Public Library to see if they have the book in their collection and perhaps do a lookup of its contents for you or modify the subject line of your post to include Saskatchewan look-up as there is someone from Saskatchewan on this forum who might be able to find this book for you.
The letter mentions an internment in Regina. You can play around with these sites
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cansacem/
http://www.regina.ca/Page1453.aspx
Debbie
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Dear Jacquie
Alex?? that is the mystery. On any snippits I have from family papers I have nothing on him. Watch this space- possibily for a long time.
Regards
jardiner
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Based on the excerpt from that letter it sounds like Minnie's husband was named Alex and not Arthur. Is it possible the family stories regarding all of the names of the husbands are wrong.
Jacquie
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Hey Jardiner,
I can look up the book at the library tomorrow if you are still wish me too, there is a copy there and see what there is to see.
There are two burials which may be related, plus one McQuillan. There may be an obituary for either of them that would point to a relative....
As well it may be fruitful for me to check out the Lipton family history book as well, I found an obituary for an Cecilia Earl from Balcarres as well..
http://www.saskobits.com
or even the Bengough history book here:
http://www.ourroots.ca/toc.aspx?id=6242&qryID=2163c6d4-410d-45fc-bdd9-0439eb40238b
I will do a little digging and let you know what I find out...if you wait until tomorrow lol
Jeff
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Hi Folks
thanks again for all the input and I look forward to hearing from you jeffster.
Regards
jardiner
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Meant to post yesterday as I lightened the copy from the passenger list a hair for those of you with good eyes and better guesses. Thought second letter was "n" but now think it may be an "r"
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Hey Gilly,
So I went down to the library, but could not find an obituary for anyone (only had an hour there)...... but I looked through 4-5 town history books and found some pay dirt in 2 of them. The titles are "Trails and Tales of Settlement and Progress, Lipton and district 1875-1985 (1991) p. 360, and "The Whispering Aspens: A History of the R.M. Tullymet no. 216 Saskatchewan, p. 230,231 (1986).
There was a bio of a Ormand Earl and Minnie (Cis) King. It confirms that she was born in Belfast in 1889, immigrating to Canada in 1912. It lists all the children and where they were (back in 1991). One note of correction though Kathleen married an McLellan not a McQuillan.
There was nothing in the Balcarres history book, but the local library in Balcarres has an updated version published in 2005 (for Saskatchewan's centential), it may prove fruitful to email them to see if there is any new information....
http://www.parkland.lib.sk.ca/branches/balcarres.htm
If you PM your email addy I can scan the pages for you, which includes a picture of Ormand and Minnie.
Hope this helps,
Jeff
P.S. Tullymet is a community straight north of Balcarres btw
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http://www.saskobits.com/search.do
There is an obituary for Cecila Earl - wife of Raymond Earl who is most likely the son of Ormand and Minnie.
1916 census for Saltcoat area of Saskatchewan (includes Balcarres) shows
O*an Earl 29 b. Ont. with wife Millicent 28 b. Ireland and 2 year old Muriel and 6 mos old Raymond.
O*an is how ancestry indexes the first name
Debbie
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Given the information from Jeff, the letter jardiner referred to could not have been written in the 1960s. According to the Saskatchewan burial index Minnie Earl was buried in the Balcarres Cemetery in 1947 while Ormand Earl was buried there in 1959.
Jacquie
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heehee, Debbie, Jeff already gave that obit...but I don't see it on either of your urls so I'll submit a direct url... http://obits.dignitymemorial.com/dignity-memorial/obituary.aspx?n=Cecilia-Earl&lc=3890&pid=146769924&mid=4445539 just hit "Read Complete" to expand...
Nice find Jeff, confirms the obit. Jardiner has done well on one of her first looks into rootschat...way to go guys and gals...You're good!
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Sometimes you read and just don't let your brain process the information properly!!
Debbie
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Hi Debbie... I did put the name Cecila Earl into the search line and it didn't work...so I just went and found it as a direct url as that's easier for me and so perhaps others as well. But you are correct, I don't always process information properly. Comes with age, I guess and major sinus head!! ;D I'll give myself a rollie eyes! ::) all the best, J.J.
Just occurred to me maybe you thought with the heehee, I was laughing at you, but I was laughing at the fact that I couldn't find something ...again!
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Hi Cosmac,Jacquie and jeffster.
Reading your postings has me delving more into what I've got and may be slightly different from the info posted.
I'll start with the letter. As I say, the writer refers to Rachel and Minnie as Aunties and given context in which it is said it would appear that neither of them are her mother but they are older than her. It's possible she is either a child of their sibling or indeed of a sibling of their partners but as she is familiar with their brother (uncle Alf) it would seem more likely it's a sibling of theirs and therefore who can it be? I can date the letter to the 1960s and indeed to after 1962 for the following extract. "Bill got married on the 5th Sept... Auntie was telling me Fred is married..." Fred is my Uncle (my Father's brother) and he was married on 15/10/1962.
Another area of doubt is Mclellan V Mcquillan. It is possible Kathleen is married to Mclellan but we must not mix this up with mcquillan as he was married, almost certainly to Rachel (as opposed to Minnie - as per original posting).
Thanks all for all the info - It has me really looking much deeper into the lives of these great aunts.
jardiner