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Hello all,
I am trying to get a hold of a birth certain for Olga Esther Rita Buch (maybe spelt buck) born in Newcastle upon Tyne in 1896 to Sarah jane and Ferdinand Noel. I would ideally like to get this from the local council register rather than through London (costs!!!) but I have tried the Newcastle council website and it seems to only allow access to records up to 1870, anyone got any ideas?
I'm probably being a moron and have missed something.
Please help.
Hols 83
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It will only cost you £9-25 if you order it through the GRO at Southport
http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
Births Dec 1896
Olga Esther R BUCH Newcastle T. ref 10b page 9
Carol
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Hi
You can apply direct to Newcastle using this online form
https://eforms.newcastle.gov.uk/default.aspx/RenderForm/?F.Name=W4X3DQ9eU5V&HideToolbar=1
I can't see anywhere that the dates are restricted. It costs £9 (keeps my Council Tax down ;D )
gnu
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Hi Hols 83
Just wondered why you wanted to buy the birth certificate when
you have already found out who the parents were.
On the certificate if will only give the date of birth, parents
names and Mothers maiden name and where they were
living at the time.
I did have a look at the 1901 census as I was interested in
the name and noticed that Frederick was born in Copenhagen
Denmark, hence the Olga and Buch. Frederick was a Coal and Exporters Manager.
They say curiosity killed the cat lol.
regards Sandymc
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Further to my link above, you can also order in other ways. See:
http://www.newcastle.gov.uk/people-and-communities/births/copy-certificates
gnu
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Hi all,
Thanks for the replies.
I want a copy as I want to know the address they were livi at and also I wanted ferdinands employment status and title. I shall order it up.
Thanks for the info
Hols 83
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Hi Sandy
I was about to ask the same question having found the family in 1901 census.
As Buck.
Perhaps our poster doesn't have this info?
Tinam
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Whilst a certificate will only cost 9.00 from Newcastle Registrars, how much are the P & P.
Many charge 50p for this.
So GRO at a basic 9.25 no hidden extras is a much better bet.
But never order via a 3rd party. This is a rip-off service. Even Ancestry & Genes etc., charge way over the top if you order certificates via them.
So ONLY ever order via GRO (Southport, nowhere official in London to order certs from these days) or if absolutely necessary the local registrars, but some do not offer this service it all depends on how busy they are.
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Hi all,
Thanks for the 1901 census info, I was aware of the name spelling change and have seen the census info before, some of the family actually ended up as Bushe,( apparently Buch sounding too German during the war)
Quick question if I order it from the official government gro, it's asking for the district, i take it this is just Newcastle?or would it be Newcastle upon Tyne, also the ref 10b is this the volume?
Thanks
Hols 83
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The ref that you give the GRO is the one that is on the GRO birth index. These refs are only used by the GRO. The local ones are different.
so Dec quarter 1896 Newcastle upon Tyne vol 10b page 9
gnu
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The district on the official GRO index is as I quoted earlier Newcastle T.
With the volume number 10b and page 9
Make sure you spell her name as BUCH as that's what the index says.
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To follow on from what Carol has said, as I live in Newcastle upon Tyne not Newcastle T :D
The Registration District really is called Newcastle upon Tyne but the GRO Register abbreviates it to Newcastle T to distinguish it from all the other Newcastles in the UK ~
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/REG/districts/newcastle%20upon%20Tyne.html
So you can enter Newcastle T or Newcastle upon Tyne but NOT Newcastle on it's own.
gnu
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If you look at the actual GRO indexes for that entry in Dec 1896 you will see that they were calling the registration district Newcastle T .
And seeing as they tell you to quote EXACTLY what it says in the index,then that's what I suggsted you put ;D
I admit that in more recent times the name of the district did change in the indexes 8)
Carol
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Hi Carol
I don't want to get into a long discussion about this. All I said was that the NewcastleT was an abbreviation of the full name of the Newcastle upon Tyne RD and that they would accept either but not Newcastle on it's own:
To follow on from what Carol has said, as I live in Newcastle upon Tyne not Newcastle T :D
The Registration District really is called Newcastle upon Tyne but the GRO Register abbreviates it to Newcastle T to distinguish it from all the other Newcastles in the UK ~
http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/REG/districts/newcastle%20upon%20Tyne.html
So you can enter Newcastle T or Newcastle upon Tyne but NOT Newcastle on it's own.
gnu
It's always been Newcastle upon Tyne RD. I've used both and not had any problems whatsoever.
gnu
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I admit that in more recent times the name of the district did change 8)
Hi Carol :D
Oh dear, I'm feeling pedantic today ::) ;D
The full name of the Registration District has never changed (although its boundaries may have done). It was called Newcastle upon Tyne right from the start and is still called that today: this can be verified by looking at the various census 'enumeration district' pages available on Ancestry, and also at the Place-name index available on Genuki http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/places/regindex2-1.pdf
'Newcastle T' was simply an abbreviation used at one time in the GRO indexes, which is why it appears as such on freeBMD. Other abbreviations used for the name of this Registration District, and thus reproduced on freeBMD, were Newc. Tyne and Newcastle Tyne. These were never the name of the Registration District.
For the record on both FindMyPast and Ancestry Olga Buch's birth is indexed as being in Newcastle on Tyne R.D.
(By the way, I don't live in Newcastle upon Tyne, but I do live near the Tyne - in fact I can see a tiny bit of it from my window ;D )
Jennifer :)
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Not wishing to cross swords with Gnu again ::)
If you quote the year, quarter, volume and page numbers correctly, then the name of the Registration District becomes irrelevant. The GRO volumes are compiled into Regions which hold many Districts.
Colin
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Hi Colin ;D
You are correct but, if you read the posts carefully, Jennifer and I were talking about what the the name of the Registration district was/is actually called - Newcastle upon Tyne not the abbreviation Newcastle T.
However, I'm sure that hols has ordered the certificate by now.
gnu
( This is daft! I didn't cross swords, all I did was ask why you'd reccommended Sedgefield Library ;D ;D ;D )
* The spell check didn't pick up my extra c ::)
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Just checked and you're wrong, Colin!
The District name is a require field.
gnu
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And seeing as they tell you to quote EXACTLY what it says in the index,then that's what I suggsted you put ;D
That was my whole point right back at the beginning,if you look on the GRO website ,they tell you to enter the details EXACTLY as listed in the indexes,hence me saying that the district at that time is Newcastle T ;)
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Can you give the page or a snip of where it says Exactly, please, Carol?
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Many years ago I had an instance where they didn't send a cert and after some correspondance with the GRO they emailed to say that ALL boxes with stars must be completed with exactly the details given in the their indexes.
Ever since then that is what I have done and had no more problems.
Obviously using the right volume and page number will also confirm the district,but it is there as a back up incase of queries.If someone puts the wrong number down,they could cross check it .Although I think it is often easier for them to say they can't produce it, than to cross check.
Carol
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As I said, I've never hads any problems with using Newcastle upon Tyne. And have ordered many certs that/this way-
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BUT the indexes still say the district is Newcastle T.And after them writing to me personally to tell me put exactly what is in the indexes then that's what I'll always put and quote. I am now removing myself from receiving posts on this thread,it is all all becoming far too silly.The OP must wonder what on earth is happening
Births Dec 1896
Buch Olga Esther R Newcastle T. 10b 9
Carol
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Yes, Carol, but if you read what we've said, it's an Abbreviation to distinguish it from Newcastle L (Newcastle under Lyme)
JenB
Newcastle T' was simply an abbreviation used at one time in the GRO indexes, which is why it appears as such on freeBMD. Other abbreviations used for the name of this Registration District, and thus reproduced on freeBMD, were Newc. Tyne and Newcastle Tyne. These were never the name of the Registration District.
Me NewcastleT was an abbreviation of the full name of the Newcastle upon Tyne RD
I'm sure Hols has ordered her cert and this is going around in circles.
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If you quote the year, quarter, volume and page numbers correctly, then the name of the Registration District becomes irrelevant.
It's very useful to know that a Registration District can be identified via a reference number alone (e.g. County Durham and part of Yorkshire were XXIV until 1851, and thereafter County Durham was 10a until 1946.) http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/civreg/GROIndexes.html
However, as gnu has shown, the name of the Registration District (whatever that might be ;D ) is shown as a required field on the GRO application form.
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Hi JenB and gnu,
I didn't say it wasn't required, just that it is irrelevent in those circumstances and so it doesn't really matter what entry is made. Apologies if I misled anyone.
Colin
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Just to let you know that the certificate arrived today. :)
Didn't mean to rock the boat with everyone :)