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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Denbighshire => Topic started by: knerakaz on Friday 14 October 11 03:29 BST (UK)
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Thomas Foulkes b.c.1799 St. Asaph married Elinor "Ellen" Davis b.c. 1800 Henllan.
Thomas' parents could be Edward Foulkes b.c. 1771 St. Asaph & Catherine Davies b.c. 1775 Henllan, married about 1790.
Any baptisms & marriage information for this family would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. :)
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Are you looking for baptismal records of the children of the later marriage?
I have a copy of the Blackwell Index(non-conformist) baptisms circa 1812-1837 that lists a large number of Foulkes in the St.Asaph,Henllan,Denbigh area but at this point the maiden name may be irrelevant(next generation?)
There are certainly lots of Thomas,Eleanor(Elinor) in the records.
Are there any specific names from this period you might be looking for?
Roger
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Hi Roger, Thanks for the offer, baptisms would be great.
Between 1812-1837 I have from the census'-
Ann b.c. 1814, Jane b.c. 1816 & David b.c. 1821 born to Edward & Catherine Foulkes nee Davies, census' say born Henllan for these.
Then to Thomas & Elinor (Eleanor or Ellen)Foulkes nee Davis I am looking for a Catherine Bridget b.c. 1835-1836 unsure if born St. Asaph or Henllan & also an Ellen b.c. 1832 in St.Asaph.
Thank you. ;D
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Sorry to disappoint you but I can't find matching profiles.In fact in the whole of the Index I can't find a Foulkes(nee Davi(e)s).
This suggests your Foulkes may be established church and I don't have the equivalent parish registers.
If you look in the Denbighshire Offers section you might find somebody who has these and you could send a Personal Message(PM) to them.
Roger
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Hi Roger, Thanks for checking what you have. ;D
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Hello, Henllan baptisms for the children of Edward & Catherine Foulkes(Davies) Abode, Llan. Occ, Sawyer.
Jan 16 1814. Anne.
April 21 1816. Jane.
Oct 31 1819. Peter.
March 4 1821. David.
I couldn't see baptisms for Catherine Bridget or Ellen to Thomas & Ellen in St Asaph or Henllan :(
There is a marriage for a Thomas Foulkes & Ellen Jones St Asaph May 7 1829.
Paul.
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Thank you Paul for Edward & Catherines's last 4 childrens baptisms, much appreciated. Would your records go back before 1814 as they also had Thomas b.c. 1799, Peter 1807 (must have died), Edward b.c.1810? Thomas is the main one I'm interested in.
I have Catherine's middle name as Bridget from my uncles records yet it may not be so as it's not on any records I have. Catherine's 2nd marriage certificate, in Australia, gives her mothers maiden name as Davis & her father Thomas as a Gent. Also states they were members of the Baptists Society. Would that make a difference when looking for records in Wales?
I have ordered her 1st marriage certificate, in Denbighshire, so shall see if info. on there differs any.
She is becoming elusive as cannot find a death record for her in Australia either.
Kind Regards, Karen :) ;)
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For information and possible elimination the following address:-
www.connfamily.ms11.net/95.html#i2030
references Catherine Bridget Foulkes with Australian connections and despite slightly awry chronology at one point claims
born to Thomas Foulkes and Sarah Denbighshire 1835
other siblings
John born 1831
Anne born 1833
Edward born 1837
Thomas born 1840
There is such a family on the 1841 census in Henllan
HO 107 1402 4/47
with Thomas given as b.1806(gamekeeper),Sarah b.1801(see later)
Between Family Search.org and the Blackwell Index(which at times has her transcribed as Sinah) the data looks consistent
There is a mariage recorded in FamilySearch.org("Sinah")which looks appropriate
Thomas Foulkes/Sinah Conway 12th Dec 1829 Henllan
The only inconsistency is a possible birth for SarahConway.The nearest which would still have her as 18 at marriage is
Sarah Conway 1811 Denbigh parents George and Ann
Roger
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In case it is relevant,as there seems plenty of scope for confusion,the family to go with the 1829 marriage(nee Jones) is likely to be:-
Elinor Foulkes born 09/09/1831,baptised Cefn Meiriadog Chapel(betweeen St. Asaph and Henllan?)
Parents Thomas Foulkes(labourer),Elinor(nee Jones) "Ty Celyn"
There is an 1841 census reference for this family
HO107 1405 2/6 6 (parents and one child as above Ty Celyn St Asaph Wygfair)
There is no Catherine,nor is there in any subsequent censuses for this family but there is a Catherine Foulkes born 1835 with a family of Jones' in Llangerniew--HO 107 1402 10/15 3
In 1851 the same family is at the same address- HO107 2506 344 16
but there is also a Ty Celyn in Henllan occupied by Davies',including an Elinor(!) born 1817 - I will refind the reference if necessary
In 1861 Ellen has married(Thomas) and become a Jones(!),with grandchildren Elizabeth and Thomas.- RG09 4297 60 8
The couple are still there in 1871 but not 1881
Roger
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I've seen the census' with the Thomas & Sarah/Sinah family also the Jones family before ;) but that just adds to the confusion :-\. I'm sticking with the mothers maiden name of Ellen or Elinor Davis or Davies from Catherines 2nd marriage certificate till her 1st one arrives to compare them.
Thanks Roger.
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Yes, the Conn family tree is mine so I do know the error in it which I have yet to correct.
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I have an alternative identity/history for Catherine(Bridget?)Foulkes who married Thomas Hughes as per your webpage,but I still don't think she is the one you are after if she is the daughter of Thomas Foulkes (gent).
Some of the following I'm sure you know but I need to put it all down to review it as a coherent whole(and to ensure you have common data where appropriate)
Catherine Foulkes marries Thomas Hughes 1856 Wrexham civil marriage
(www.northwalesbmd.org.uk - ref 1856 WM/005/01)
I believe that Catherine Foulkes is baptised in 1836 in the Wesleyan Chapel Llangollen with parents Thomas Foulkes(lab) from Street Isaf Ruabon and Elinor(maiden name not specified but I believe Jones- see later)
source-Blackwell Index(non conformist)-Clwyd Family History Society
For her to be from Llangolllen only 5 miles from Ruabon would make more sense than the Henllan area.
The 1841 census from large parts of this area are,I believe,missing,but the 1851 census (ref HO107 2503 276 14) shows Catherine's mother Elinor already dead(possibly 1848 childbirth of Elizabeth?) but I can speculate on her origins.This is a family involved in coalmining as Thomas Hughes.There is a nephew William Jones.
Thomas Hughes is of course at this time at ref HO107 2503 368 60 with family as per your webpage
I think there is a reasonable chance that Catherine's mother Elinor is Elinor Jones baptised 08/03/1815 in the same Wesleyan Chapel Llangollen
parents John Jones and Margaret-there are so many couples with these that speculating on siblings for Elinor is difficult but there is possibly a William in 1816(traditional family name as per the nephew?)
I have a feeling I've missed something out but I'll leave it there for now.
Roger
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Catherine daughter of Thomas Foulkes.
Yes, I have seen the info. & came across the Llangollen baptism in 1836 on IGI. I checked out a map of the area yesterday to see where it was in comparison to the Wrexham area where she married her first husband Thomas Hughes.
Think you may be right in that this seems more likely to be her.
Still awaiting Wrexham marriage cert. to arrive, (so curious as to what it says), hopefully by the end of this week. They get to Australia pretty quickly from England.
Karen. ;)
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Just in case-haveb you seen:-
www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/1857.htm
"Monsoon" Liverpool 16/12/1856 Port Adelaide 17/3/1857
Thomas Hughes labourer Denbighshire 27
Catherine(Williams?) 20
Thomas Hughes 1 died at sea Feb 8th 1857 diarrhoea
Obviously they had problems with her maiden name back then!
Roger
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Thanks very much Roger. ;D Hadn't thought to look at Adelaide for their immigration record, also explains why couldn't find a birth record in Victoria for their son Thomas.
Karen.
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I will check for other alternatives in case they are not the right couple(and brush up on my Australian geography).The birth would obviously be registered in Denbighshire if they are(two are registered at Ruabon/Wrexham) but where the death might be(if at all) I don't know.
Roger
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I doubt young Thomas' death would have a death record as buried at sea.
Their next son was also called Thomas born in Aust. Nothing on Victoria BDM for him so I have a query out to South Australia awaiting an answer for any birth there between 1857 & 1859, as S.A. doesn't have an online bdm.
Karen
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As a slight aside I keep worrying about the name "Bridget" which to me is an Irish name.It appears on the www.ancestry.com site in relation to Jenkin Jenkins but I don't have access to check for transcription etc.If Catherine Bridget Foulkes was somehow Thomas' wife wouldn't Jenkin Jenkins be marrying Catherine Bridget Hughes(widow)?or have I got things completerly wrong?If it is real is there any chance that Thomas Hughes' wife and Jenkin Jenkins'wife are different people?
Roger
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The name Bridget also had me curious as when I go through any records I have it doesn't show, perhaps I put it in by error. I am discounting it now.
The marriage certificate I have for Jenkin Jenkins & Catherine states "Catherine Hughes, widow in 1863, 3 children living 1 dead, of Denbighshire, N. Wales. 28 years old, father Thomas Foulks mother Ellen Davis.
Thomas Hughes died in 1863 so it is the same Catherine married to both.
Karen
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The name appears as spouse transcribed in the title of an Ancestry.com scanned document/photo which is by description a copy of the wedding certificate to Jenkin Jenkins.The details in the title suggest everything is in order "..Catherine Hughes nee Foulkes...".Perhaps if this is her full name it will appear on the first wedding certificate
Roger
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Yes, the scanned certificate on Ancestry is the one I put on there.
The Bridget middle name I would say I put in error as Catherine's grandaughter was named Catherine Bridget Hughes b.1888 (from her mother's mother named Bridget Austin).
Mails just been & no certificate yet, perhaps our Quantas strikes here are also holding up the mail from England.
Karen
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The marriage certificate will probably not reference her mother/mother's maiden name but should give Catherine's address and father's occupation.
Sometimes the witness names give other clues to parts of the family,but you probably know all this.It's late......................hope I wake in time for the rugby.
Roger