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Title: St Wilfrids Roman Catholic Chapel Preston
Post by: happy hunting on Thursday 13 October 11 21:40 BST (UK)
Has anyone got copies of the register for this church. I am brand new on this roots chat and saw someone make a post called phil that they had a copy of these registers.

i have obtained a marriage cert of my great grandparents and would be really grateful for some further help with any baptism records for around 1866 in this church please

Kind Regards

Sharon
Title: Re: St Wilfrids Roman Catholic Chapel Preston
Post by: dotty on Friday 14 October 11 08:21 BST (UK)
The baptism records for this church are held at the Lancashire Record Office,which doesn't reopen until the 24th October.I will be going possibly the week after that so if you can give me names etc if you need a look up

Dotty
Title: Re: St Wilfrids Roman Catholic Chapel Preston
Post by: happy hunting on Tuesday 18 October 11 21:18 BST (UK)
Thank you so very much for the kind offer.

James Norcross Born 1844 married Alice Barton at St Wilfrids Chapel in 1866

The children I know of are,
Ann born 1866, Mary 1868,Joseph 1869,John1873,Henry 1879,James 1881

I am sure there will be more perhaps that dies with there being such a gap in between john and henry. If you find any more I would be very grateful

Many Thanks

Sharon :-*
Title: Re: St Wilfrids Roman Catholic Chapel Preston
Post by: dotty on Tuesday 18 October 11 21:45 BST (UK)
Lancashire BMD site showing mother as Barton

Margareet 1871 d 1872
Elizabeth Alice 1875 d 1878
James 1877 d1878

 will check when I go

Dotty

Title: Re: St Wilfrids Roman Catholic Chapel Preston
Post by: happy hunting on Tuesday 18 October 11 22:04 BST (UK)
Oh Dottty

How clever you are!!!!!!!!! ;D

I am just learning and I dont know how you did that but THANK YOU!!!

I sent for the Marriage cert for James so I know he married Alice Barton but I dont know how to go back further???? The marriage cert says his father was also James and was deceased. If I can find james' birth then could I send for that certificate and would that give me his mother?? I dont mind but its £9 a time.

I dont know how else to do it??
Title: Re: St Wilfrids Roman Catholic Chapel Preston
Post by: dotty on Tuesday 18 October 11 22:32 BST (UK)
This could be the family in 1851
Living at 11 Crown Street Preston
Margaret widow age 34
Ann 13
Elizabeth 11
Margaret 9
James 7
Joseph 5
John2

Dotty
Title: Re: St Wilfrids Roman Catholic Chapel Preston
Post by: happy hunting on Tuesday 18 October 11 22:48 BST (UK)
I saw that...and on next census she seems to be married again to a man called Harrison

I just dont want to go dont the wrong tree as I know how easy that can be..so any tips you can give me would be appreciated. :)
Title: Re: St Wilfrids Roman Catholic Chapel Preston
Post by: dotty on Tuesday 18 October 11 22:58 BST (UK)
If this is the family Margaret was nee Entwistle do you know what James seniors occupation was? There was a child Mary born 1841
Title: Re: St Wilfrids Roman Catholic Chapel Preston
Post by: happy hunting on Tuesday 25 October 11 22:22 BST (UK)
I have just received the death cert for James Norcross in 1881 and it was notified by his brother Henry Harrison...so we have the right family, Margaret Norcross must have remarried John Harrison.

She is a widow in 1851 and she has a son in 1855 John Harrison

So Joseph Norcross must have died between 1849 ( after the last child was born and 1855 when she was married again

I have searched for 3 hours and am really tired...can you help and find it for me with one of your tricks PLEASE ???
Title: Re: St Wilfrids Roman Catholic Chapel Preston
Post by: velpremus on Tuesday 25 October 11 22:34 BST (UK)
Marriage 1856:

Margaret Norcross to John Harrison at  St Mary the Virgin Blackburn
http://www.lan-opc.org.uk

Marriage: 12 May 1856
John Harrison - (X), 41 Sawyer Widower of Jackson St
Margaret Norcross - (X), 37 Widow of Lyon St
    Johns dad: John Harrison, Spinner
    Margarets dad:: Matthew Entwistle, Weaver
    Witness: Richard Beardsworth; Ann Norcross, (X)
   
Title: Re: St Wilfrids Roman Catholic Chapel Preston
Post by: happy hunting on Tuesday 25 October 11 23:09 BST (UK)
Oh That really is so very clever!!!!!!Thank you very very much

Can you find her original marriage to Joseph Norcross Please ;)
Title: Re: St Wilfrids Roman Catholic Chapel Preston
Post by: velpremus on Wednesday 26 October 11 09:21 BST (UK)
If you go to:

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/cgi-bin/mktoc.cgi?parish=Ribchester&type=Parish&community=

It is on there:

Marriage:

On the  21 December 1835  at St Wilfrid, Ribchester.

Joseph Norcross - (X) married  Margaret Entwhistle - (X), Both of this Parish
Witness: William Carfoot & Elizabeth Alston, (X)

 Page 244, Entry 731
   
Married by Banns by: T. R. Dickinson Curate
Banns Read on : 6 December 1835, 2nd: 13 December 1835, 3rd: 20 December 1835


Title: Re: St Wilfrids Roman Catholic Chapel Preston
Post by: happy hunting on Wednesday 26 October 11 15:28 BST (UK)
Thank you, that site is brilliant!!!!!!!!!

I have not seen it before. I pay for Ancestry but to be honest unless you know what your doing it isnt much help. It is good for the census' though.

Thank you very much. ;)
Title: Re: St Wilfrids Roman Catholic Chapel Preston
Post by: happy hunting on Wednesday 26 October 11 15:35 BST (UK)
I just have one more question please

I would like to send for the marriage cert for Joseph Norcross and margaret Entwhistle. How can i do that if I cant find it on Ancestry?

Do you know any tricks to find the reference number?
Title: Re: St Wilfrids Roman Catholic Chapel Preston
Post by: velpremus on Thursday 27 October 11 10:03 BST (UK)
There were no national indexes of BMD's before July 1837, The marriage of Joseph is in the parish register. So there will be no reference number to order a certificate.

Prior to 1837 the father of the bride and groom were not noted on the register.
This looks to be Josephs baptism:
 
15 Feb 1814 St Wilfrid, Ribchester, Lancashire, England
Joseph Norcross - Child of James Norcross (Weaver) & Elizabeth
Living in  Ribchester
Baptised by: W Latimer



Title: Re: St Wilfrids Roman Catholic Chapel Preston
Post by: dotty on Tuesday 01 November 11 20:08 GMT (UK)
Tis is what I have found at the Record Office

Ann born7th Nov 1866 baptised 11th November daughter of James and Louisa???? nee Barton
sponsers Joseph Norcross and Louisa Thirwell.

Mary  born 28th March 1868 baptised 29th March
sponsers William Harrison and Mary Norcross

Marriage 10th February James son of Joseph and Margaret
Alice daughter of Joseph and Ann
witnesses Joseph Norcross and Alice Thirlwell

All at St Wilfreds


At St Augustines

James baptised 3rd July 1881 son of James and Alice nee Barton
sposers Aloysius Jackson and Mary Norcross
James married Mary poole at St Josephs Preston on the 9th July 1909

Henry baptised 7th December1879 son of James and Alice
sponsers Henry Harrison and Agnes Thiarwell

Dotty

 
 
Title: COMPLETED
Post by: happy hunting on Tuesday 06 December 11 21:24 GMT (UK)
THANK YOU VERY VERY VERY MUCH........

 :)


I did not get an e-mail to tell me you had posted this information so i am so sorry for not replying sooner, just must think me ungrateful...but i am not

I did not see it. i appreciate your time and effort very much

Sharon
Title: Re: St Wilfrids Roman Catholic Chapel Preston
Post by: happy hunting on Wednesday 11 January 12 20:43 GMT (UK)
Dotty

I have kept going back to this information that you got from the records office and it has helped.

Can I just ask you to clarify something

Was henry Baptised at St Josephs In 1879 or St Augustines...not sure how to read it thank you ;)
Title: Re: St Wilfrids Roman Catholic Chapel Preston
Post by: dotty on Thursday 12 January 12 06:43 GMT (UK)
 I would say St Augustines but I will check,It's a while since I did the look up and I can't remember off hand.I am going on Tuesday I will let you know then.

Dotty