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Title: Chalmers - Fyvie
Post by: Andrew C. on Tuesday 11 October 11 17:00 BST (UK)
If anyone has the time or inclination could they have a look for my strayed Chalmers offspring. According to 1841 Freecen Robert Chalmers (55), Margaret (50), James (20), Mary (15), Robert (10) William (5) and Margaret (6mth) are ay Mill of Gight with Robert being a farmer. Interestingly in 1851 there is an Alexander Chalmers farming at Mill of Gight but no Robert and no sign of his wife Margaret (they both are possibly dead) The children are also elusive. I presume Robert was a tenant farmer was there no right of succession for children? There are a few James Chalmers is in the area one at Methlick and one at Fyvie which are possibilities. Mary probably would have married. There is no sign of Robert or young Margaret nor William who I am particularly interested in. I know William was in Aberdeen in 1860 when he was married. 
Title: Re: Chalmers - Fyvie
Post by: GR2 on Tuesday 11 October 11 17:18 BST (UK)
I have just checked the monumental inscriptions at Fyvie, Woodhead, Millbrex and Methlick. Your Robert Chalmers senior does not appear on any existing gravestone. Robert would be a tenant farmer (probably of the Earl of Aberdeen). A lease could be granted to a son if the estate was happy with the way a farm was being run. Your best bet is to look at the censuses and statutory death certificates. The valuation roll will give the owner, tenant, occupier and yearly rent. They are available from 1855-56.

Graham.
Title: Re: Chalmers - Fyvie
Post by: ev on Tuesday 11 October 11 17:25 BST (UK)
hi all  :)

alexander chalmers & elizabeth hay married 1844(the family on the 1851 census ?)
could it be the margaret in 1851(age 10) and the margaret in 1841(6 months) are the same person ?
just a thought  :-\

ev
Title: Re: Chalmers - Fyvie
Post by: Flattybasher9 on Tuesday 11 October 11 18:06 BST (UK)
"I know William was in Aberdeen in 1860 when he was married." 

Who did William marry?

There is a Robert Chalmers d 15 May 1848, sharing a burial plot with John Chalmers d 2 Nov 1869 and Margaret Edwards d 3 Aug 1887.

Regards

Malky
Title: Re: Chalmers - Fyvie
Post by: Andrew C. on Tuesday 11 October 11 21:39 BST (UK)
William Chalmers married Elizabeth Williams and I know of their whereabouts thereafter just not sure where he is in 1851. I've had a look on Familysearch and the children of Robert and Margaret are listed as Margaret (1810) Alexander (1813) John (1816) James (1820) Robert (1826) and Elizabeth (1843) Elizabeth I am guessing is wrong and there is obviously some missing. I had presumed the Margaret on the 1841 census was a daughter but it doesn't actually say that so she may well be Alexander's daughter who may have been at Ardlethen in 1841. Robert Chalmers was married to Margaret Edwards. Still can't see where she is in 1851 though. Where is it they are burried?

Thanks for the help.
Title: Re: Chalmers - Fyvie
Post by: redmoss on Monday 17 October 11 16:25 BST (UK)
They are buried in New Deer Cemetery stone number 422.
Margaret Edward's parents were Alexander Edward and Janet Sutherland

Kathy
Title: Re: Chalmers - Fyvie
Post by: Andrew C. on Monday 17 October 11 17:08 BST (UK)
Thanks for that. Can I trouble you for your sources?
Title: Re: Chalmers - Fyvie
Post by: flst on Monday 17 October 11 19:32 BST (UK)
This link will show you an online index to kirkyards that A.N.E.S.F.H.S. has transcribed.
http://www.anesfhs.org.uk/databank/miindex/miindex.php
Many have been published.  Redoss is offline. Luckily for you I have a copy of the New Deer booklet & can tell you this inscription:
"Erected by Margaret Edwards in memory of her husband Robert Chalmers farmer in Mill- Town of Gight, Fyvie d.15 May 1848 aged 62. Also John son of Robert Chalmers d. 2 Nov 1869 aged 51. Said Margaret Edwards d.3 Aug 1877 aged 96."
The next door headstone (421);
"1861. Erected by Alexander Chalmers ...of Gight in memory of his wife Eliza May d.31 Aug 18... aged 37." (constructed from pieces on the ground)
Hope this helps you!
flst

Title: Re: Chalmers - Fyvie
Post by: flst on Monday 17 October 11 19:49 BST (UK)
I found Margaret Chalmers in 1881 census living at Mill of Gight. She's there in 1871 & I think she's also there in 1861 but wrongly transcribed as Mary Chalmers.(Farmer's widow, retired). On all occassions her birthplace is New Deer.There are a further 7 Chalmers headstones in New Deer kirkyard.There are likely more in the Culsh Cemetery, New Deer, as well.There are currently still Chalmers in the New Deer area.
flst
Title: Re: Chalmers - Fyvie
Post by: Andrew C. on Tuesday 18 October 11 17:18 BST (UK)
Thanks.
Title: Re: Chalmers - Fyvie
Post by: Flattybasher9 on Tuesday 18 October 11 19:47 BST (UK)
"William Chalmers married Elizabeth Williams and I know of their whereabouts thereafter just not sure where he is in 1851."

Where are you getting the surname "Williams" from ?

Regards

Malky
Title: Re: Chalmers - Fyvie
Post by: Andrew C. on Wednesday 19 October 11 09:56 BST (UK)
I have their wedding certifcate. They were married in Aberdeen in 1860. Parents Robert Chalmers/Margaret Edwards and Peter William(s)/Helen Begg.
Title: Re: Chalmers - Fyvie
Post by: Andrew C. on Tuesday 27 November 12 13:41 GMT (UK)
If anyone has acces to the Aberdeenshire MIs I would appreciate any info on James Chalmers (born 1752) married to Jane (Thomson) proably Methlick, if not perhaps New Deer.

Also Al. Chalmers (1723) married to Barbara Morrison probably Methlick.

And John Chalmers married to Janet Simpson parents of Al. Chalmers above so birth probably around 1700 again probably Methlick.
Title: Re: Chalmers - Fyvie
Post by: flst on Tuesday 27 November 12 18:27 GMT (UK)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,507507.0.html
The above link will show you where you can access the M'I's. Are you also wanting to  find the marriage  details of these people? If so, then the familysearch website has the I.G.I.'s.
Hope this helps,
flst
Title: Re: Chalmers - Fyvie
Post by: Andrew C. on Wednesday 28 November 12 09:56 GMT (UK)
Thanks I've been doing what I can with the IGI. Members have been helpful previously with the monumental inscriptions just being a bit cheeky asking for help to see if there is any additional info out there.