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Hi,
I am trying to trace the Lishman family for a friend. The information she has given is.
Matthew Lishman, Blacksmith, b. 1805, d. 26.12.1868 at Stockton. He married Jane Hodgson, b. 1810 in Washington, d. 1853
Children were:
Thomas, 1831 - 1853
Mary Jane, 1838 - 1876
Elizabeth, b. 1837
George, 1840 - 1901
Sarah, b. 1843 (Infant death)
Sarah, b. 1846
William, 1850 - 1912
Matthew, b. 1850 He married ? Ann.
Their son, William, b. 30.9.1887, d. 29.7.1962 in Nottingham. He married Jessie Mcmenemy, b. 3.1.1893 on 3.3.1915 at Newcastle on Tyne. They had:
Margaret Mccaw Lishman, b. 21.4.1923. She married Henry Charles Richard Palmer.
Any further information would be appreciated.
RobPhill
William Lishman, who married Lena on 30.7.1962
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We can't 'do' any looking-for-the-living requests..
You best sources are going to be census and BMD's
Stockton do have a local BMD site, so be sure to use that where it's shown to be appropriate.
Pauline
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Hi, Pauline,
Thank you for your prompt reply to my request. In fact, I am looking for the ancestors of the Lishman family, not the living. Since they have been playing around with Hugh Wallis Numbers & familysearch.org, I find it difficult to find much info. I didn't know that Stockton had a BMD site. Thank you.
RobPhill
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1841 shows: Civil Parish: Kelloe; County: Durham
HO107/313; Bk15; Folio: 38; Page: 8
Matthew Lishman 35y
Jane Lishman 30y
Thomas Lishman 10y
Mary Lishman 7y
Elizabeth Lishman 4y
Matthew Lishman 2y
George Lishman 6/12
You can still use Hugh wallis' numbers on the new familysearch site, just becomes a 2-step process.
Use the advanced search and whack in the batch number.
https://www.familysearch.org/#form=advanced-records
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A couple of Washington baptisms (he's down as born Washington in 1851),
Matthew Lish, born April 24 1804, baptized July 22 1804, 6th son of Thomas Lish, N. of Houghton le Spring, and Jane Craike, N. of Houghton le Spring.
John Lishman, born Sep 10 1801, baptized Nov 29 1801, 5th son of Thomas Lishman, Native of Pittington, and his wife Jane Craike, Native of Hallgarth near Durham.
Alan.
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Thank you, Alan. This is more grist to the mill and will help me to go further back for my friend. They always seem to want to know how far you have gone, rather than the information you have found!!
Rob.
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Baptism Castle Eden St. James:
19 May 1839 Matthew Leashmam, of Wingate, son of Matthew Leashmam, Blacksmith, and Jane.
10 Aug 1840 George Lishman, of Wingate, son of Matthew Lishman, Blacksmith, and Jane
Marriage Houghton le Spring St Michael and All Angels:
6 Nov 1830 Matthew Lishman and Jane Hodgson
Baptisms Houghton le Spring:
Mary Lishman baptised Christmas Day 1833 d/o Matthew and Jane, Newbottle
Thomas Lishman baptised 21 Dec 1831 s/o Matthew and Jane, Lyons
Stockton St. Thomas baptism:
17 Mar 1837 Elizabeth Lishman, of Stockton, 2nd daur of Matthew Lishman, Blacksmith, and Jane
Janis
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Hi, Janis,
Thank you for your reply re. the Lichman family. Through your efforts, I have managed to back two more generations, so my friend will be delighted!! Sorry I have been slow in replying but have been away for a few days. Now ready to carry on the research!!
RobPhill
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Hi, Hope I can help on this. I have researched this Lishman family extensively for many years and I believe that you are following the wrong family line. I disagree with the findings as follows.
1. There is no William Lishman born in 1887 with a father called Matthew born in 1850. (See the 1891-1911 censuses)
2. I have found no Matthew Lishman born in 1850 at all. (See the FreeBMD site).
3. The Matthew Lishman born in 1839 that other people have mentioned (2yrs old in the 1841 census) did not marry, or have any children.
4. There are also several other dates for the given people that are not correct. For example from the sites available online (backed up by family documentary evidence) William born in 1850 did not die in 1912. Also none of this Lishman family line married a Jessie McMenemy.
5. Therefore Margaret Maccaw Lishman and William Lishman born on 30-9-1887 are not related to Matthew Lishman born in 1805.
Before you go any further with your research I suggest you look at William Lishman born in 1887 again and that you try looking at the censuses to track down his family/the name of his father and go back from there.
I hope that this information helps as I do not wish to think of you wasting time on the wrong family line.
Best Wishes
Krysa
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Hi, Krysa,
Thank you for your posting recently. Sorry I have not replied earlier but have been away again - the beauty of retirement.
I have sent your findings on to my friend. You are correct in that we were investigating the wrong Lishman family. I have re-read her original letters to me and the information was so garbled and mixed - no wonder I mixed up the families !! When she replies, hopefully with the correct details I can start again.
Many thanks once again,
RobPhill.