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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: conseiller on Friday 07 October 11 11:21 BST (UK)
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Hi, I am trying to find out information about the following marriage and subsequent family
I believe that - William Henry Harvey married - Hannah Soan Sands at Southwark, London in 1869
and that heir first child - Hannah Alice Soan Harvey was born at Southwark, London in 1869.
I do about know the parents and siblings of Hannah. BUT I do not know what happened to her after she married -if indeed this is marriage is correct and worse I sadly know nothing more about Hannah's Husband than his reputed name and I know nothing of her children !
Please can anyone help me - I seem to have a brick wall. any help would be appreciated . Thanks - Luc.
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The "Hannah Alice S" Harvey b. Southwark in 1869 (and died 1887) may be Hannah Alice Seymour Harvey (father John) - unless you have the certificate to confirm?
I see that Hannah Soan Sands was b. Sevenoaks (or at least christened there in 1849).
1871 census: RG 10/807 82/21 has a possible:
William H Harvey, 22, grainer, b. Greenwich
Hannah, wife, 21, b. Sevenoaks
William H, son, 1, b. Richmond (possible on freebmd: William Henry M Harvey?)
Can't find them later - perhaps they emigrated.
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Hi Jorose,
Thats a great help - thank you,
I was not sure about information about "Hannah Alice S Harvey"
Your information about the Harvey family in the 1871 census sounds fine.
Were they living at Richmond where their son was born ? Which Richmond is it ?as I note that there are two one in Yorkshire and one in Surrey ? Does their adress give any further clues?
Thank you again for your help - regards - Luc.
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Hi,
The marriage in 1869 has William down as a plumber, father Moses Harvey also a plumber.
Hannah's father is Thomas Soan Sands also a plumber.
Sharon
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Hi Sharon,
Thanks thats a great help I might be able to find William the plumbers birth details now thank you!
Thank you again for your help - regards - Luc.
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Sorry, this was Richmond, Surrey.
Their address was 10 Argile Cottages, Richmond, Surrey. They shared this with another family - James and Eliza Morris - but I don't think they were any relations (same address but marked as different households).
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The Moses Harvey link is interesting, because there is a William Harvey b. Greenwich aged 9 in 1861 with a father Moses - "Grainer and Painter" (which fits with father and son having the same occupation but not with "plumber" on the certificate?). His father seems to have remarried shortly before the census to an Irish woman, Joanna Shea.
They headed to New York in 1869 (castlegarden.org) with son Henry and are there in 1880
There is also in Connecticut in the 1880 a William Harvey, painter, with wife "Hanah" and children William and Thomas (who all arrived in 1873 on the City of Antwerp)
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Hi Jorose.
This is amazing -thank you so much I shall follow all this up!
Just a few questions relating the 1861 census that you mentioned - did it give Moses's age and place of birth and were there any other children and finally what address were they living at in 1861.
I have looked for William (Moses 's son) Birth certificate. but have had no luck yet.
I shall now try and find Moses's first marriage
Thank you again for your help - it is so much appreciated - regards - Luc.
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1861 census:
RG9/409 110/36 (continuing onto 111/37)
22 Melbourne Place, Plumstead
Moses Harvey, 32 ,grainer and printer, b. Somerset Bath
Joana, 25, wife, b. Ireland
Henry, 3, son, b. Hampshire Portsmouth
William, 9, son, b. Greenwich
freebmd shows two possible marriages, 1849 and 1860, for Moses in Lewisham, and a birth for William Henry in Greenwich in 1852 (suggesting he made himself a little older in the 1871 census, maybe because his wife was slightly older than him). I'm not sure Moses's first wife (William's mother) was.
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St.Mary Magdalene Woolwich 15/8/1852 Bapt.
William Henry Harvey born 9/3/1852 parents Moses & Isabella Harvey occ. Private Royal Marine address 4 Henry Street.
Jennifer
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11/4/1869 St.George the Martyr Southwark
William Henry Harvey plumber high STreet father Moses Plumber
Hannah Soan Sands s/ Street father Thomas Soan Sands
Witnesses John Mason & Maria Soan Sands
Jennifer
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Could this be a sister?
St.James the Great Bethnal Green 13/7/1873
William Lloyd Baker address Bethnal Green father Henry Dec.
Isabella Matilda Harvey father Moses Harvey dec.
witnesses Ambrose Bond & Mary Vitner
Jennifer
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Hi Jennifer,
This great and it seems to fit perfectly - many many thanks.
So now if i can find out if moses and his first wife Isabella had more children than just William and Isabella before he remarried in 1860.
Thanks to Jorose's kind suggestion I believe his first wife was Isabella Butcher and that he married her in 1849.
When Moses went to America in 1869 it seems he also took a son Ashton Harvey aged 17.
and in the Ameican 1880 Census William Henry has his 22 yr old sister living with him.
So it look s as if Moses and Isabella certainly had more children.
Thanks again Jennifer and Jorose your help has been a huge help and is very much appreciated - kind regards - Luc.