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Looking for a birth cert.
Phoebe Seys Bevan born 26th Jan 1864, I have been told she was born in New Zealand, cannot find any birth cert.
Mother's maiden name Rosa Bolton Earle, Fathers name James Seys Beven.
If anyone could help.
::)
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Hi there,
Do you have any thoughts about
;) which of the six Australian colonies may have been her birthplace please...
;) have you tried the online BDM indexes for several of the various states?
Cheers, JM
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Just to get some background I was looking for the marriage of Rosa B Earle and James S Bevan and found one in 1883 Cobar NSW
So are these the parents of Phoebe and they didn't marry until 20 years after her birth or is her date of birth of 1864 a typo or are they a different couple altogether? :D
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They are the parents of Phoebe.
I have some info on Rosa, being in Melbourne in 1859.
She also had a son William Seys Bevan born in Fitzory Vic 27th July no year.
It is all a mystery as to Phoebe's birth.
Can I ask crisane your link to the Bevans
:'(
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Hi there,
Do you have a copy or a transcript of Phoebe's marriage or her death ... I am thinking her birth details should be noted on that ... of course the marriage would be information she provided, while the information on her dc would be only as reliable as the informant's own knowledge..
Also, do either of you have the 1883 marriage cert for Rosa B Earle and James S Bevan at Cobar 1883 ...
Cheers, JM.
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Removed in error :-\
Sorry JM didn't get a red warning ???
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Is this the death of Rosa -
10768/1914 Rosa B Bevan parents Thomas P/Jane M South Balmain
Should have details of children
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I have some info on Rosa, being in Melbourne in 1859.
If Rosa was born 1859 she wouldn't be having a child in 1864 ???
I must be mis understanding ::) I thought Phoebe's Mum was in Melbourne in 1859, but not born in 1859
Cheers JM
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I have the death cert of Rosa informant her son.
Where born New Zealand 50years in NSW.
Rosa landed in Melbourne in 1859 from England.
Rosa died in NSW on 29th Oct 1926.
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"..I have the death cert of Rosa informant her son.
Where born New Zealand 50years in NSW.
Rosa landed in Melbourne in 1859 from England.
Rosa died in NSW on 29th Oct 1926. "
Can you clarify this please....what other information is on the death certificate...age....children...marriage...where buried...etc.
What details do you have about her arriving in Melbourne 1859.
What other certificates do you have please?
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There are 'twins' births & deaths in VIC possibly your Rosa EARLE's:
EARLE Franklyn b.1861 BALLARAT #19976
Father: not listed
Mother: Rosa EARLE
EARLE Thomas b. 1861 BALLARAT #19977
Father: not listed
Mother: Rosa EARLE
EARLE Franklyn age 1Day d. 1861 BALL #8973
Father: Unknown
Mother: Rosa EARLE
EARLE Thomas d. BALL #8974
Father: Unknown
Mother: Rosa EARLE
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Hi,
If you obtain a transcript of the those marriages, (Phoebe's and her Mum's) (I would not be ordering the real deal cert, the transcript will be cheaper, quicker and contain exactly the same info, including most likely some blanks as many of those rural/regional mc are not yet reconciled at NSW BDM HQ) it may just help, as it will give you the clergy/denomination for the ceremony/ies. From that you can then proceed to search for the original parish records, which should include the names of both sets of parents, the ages of the bride and groom, and all the usual family history information that will validate the current online submitted trees.
I my view, the two transcripts for those marriages should cost you around the same fee as one real deal certificate from NSW BDM.
Cheers, JM
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The cert I have is a copy from another researcher not easy to read.
Marriage Cobar NSW age 43 to James Seys Bevan
Where born Sommerset Eng
55 years in NSW
Children of marriage it has No Issue
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Thanks Chezza, that seems to be the d.c. for Rosa ... As the children were most likely born before the marriage, then strictly speaking they were not born of the marriage, which would explain why there is the entry "No Issue".
I am asking about the mc for either Phoebe or for her Mum ... I have off line resources for NSW, including both the central western and the western divisions of NSW in the decades before and after Federation, and I am happy to look up info to help you, but I need some clues which are usually found on the marriage certs, rather than on the d.c.s .
Cheers, JM
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I have the mc for Phoebe & George Rostron.
I don't have the mc for Rosa & James
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So, for Phoebe and George, does that give you information about Phoebe's parents or are there some blanks on that mc please
Cheers, JM
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No mention of mother.
Fathers name only on mc.
There is a note saying The concent of James Seys Bevan father of the bride ? ? to the marriage. ? can't read the words.
In the presence of us James Seys Bevan
? Frederick Judd
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Chezza,
Don't panic, it is solvable and the information that is not on the mc is findable... I did a thread up on how to solve those elusive mc from that era...
Back shortly,
EDIT 1 http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,546609.0.html
and example of missing info is at reply #12 of this thread http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,557757.10.html
So, firstly, from Phoebe's marriage to George ... what denomination please ...
Cheers, JM
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Thankyou JM
The denomination was Church of England
Regards Chezza
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Right, thanks Chezza, I hope the two threads help explain what is missing from the cert you hold, and secondly how I have found the elusive missing information when I have been searching for my NSW forebears ....
I will try to help further, but will need to make some phone calls and may not have much to report until this coming weekend.
But in the meanwhile, I will look on some hardcopy pre-Federation electoral rolls for around Cobar etc for Rostron, & Bevan,
Oops, nearly forgot, I am sure you realise that Phoebe's birth may have been registered in a different surname to her father's... but that he gave consent to her marriage, so she was obviously not yet 21 when she married.
Cheers, JM
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Thankyou for all the info.
What I would really like to find out is Phoebes birthplace. Was it NZ ????
Not any info on James Seys Beven either?
Oh well look forward to any info you have .
Regards Cheryl :) :)
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Yes, I realise you want to find Phoebe's birth place, but sometimes the route to that is round about ... I am hoping that the C of E records for Cobar are easily found, and that in them will be some further clues as to Phoebe's surname at her birth ... from that you could then have a better chance at finding her birth registration...
But here's a sighting for her Dad ...
NSW Electoral Roll 1878 THE BOGAN,
BEVAN, James S, residing at Nevertire, Back Block, Macquarie in the Police District of Cannonbar
Cheers, JM
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So, when Phoebe and George were being interviewed by the C of E clergyman, he asked for information and he recorded it. That information included
What is your full name
Where were you born, and he was looking for the place, not just the colony.
What is your age, and if under 21, who is giving consent to the marriage ... this is usually given by the father, and if he is not available, then by the eldest brother aged over 21, and if that brother is not available, then by the mother.
What is your father's name and occupation
What is your mother's name and occupation
What is your own occupation
Have you ever been married
Those details are then recorded in the local parish records, which are not ever meant to be destroyed, (Church laws cause at least two registers to be established and maintained, to be kept separately from each other in fire proof safe rooms etc ).
It is possible that Phoebe gave her birth name as well as her "known by" name, or perhaps she only gave BEVAN ... but she would have given her age, and her place of birth .... And of course, it is those two pieces of information that you are seeking at this moment. And, I think I know someone who may have had access to the C of E records at Cobar when looking up one of their own forebears, I cannot promise to have the information you need, but I can promise to try to give you a pointer or two to either find it directly or to find where the information is currently held. And when you contact those organisations, it is often handy to be able to provide some clues to help those researchers find the entries ... thus the Electoral Roll information about James S Bevan may help you to help them.
Cheers, JM
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For the death of Rosa, 1926 -
"...I have the death cert of Rosa informant her son.
Where born New Zealand 50years in NSW."
What is the name of this son, who is recorded as informant.
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I have the death cert of Rosa informant her son.
Where born New Zealand 50years in NSW.
Rosa landed in Melbourne in 1859 from England.
Rosa died in NSW on 29th Oct 1926.
The cert I have is a copy from another researcher not easy to read.
Marriage Cobar NSW age 43 to James Seys Bevan
Where born Sommerset Eng
55 years in NSW
Children of marriage it has No Issue
You appear to be a bit confused here - Rosa died in 1914, Phoebe died in 1926. Rosa was said to be born in Somerset, Phoebe was said to be born in New Zealand.
I would say it is likely that none of Rosa's children were fathered by James BEVAN which is why it says "no issue".
Debra :)
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According to her death and funeral notices her name was "Phoebe Contance"
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/28059377?searchTerm=phoebe%20rostron&searchLimits=l-decade=192|||l-year=1926
Debra :)
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I am a bit confused here - surely it is Phoebe ROSTRON who died in 1926 and her mother Rosa BEVAN died in 1914?
Is it Rosa's death certificate that you have, stating she has been in NSW for 50 years which puts her arriving NSW in about 1864, about the time you have for Phoebe's birth. (I would not be putting a great deal of faith is this being the actual amount of time she had been in NSW - looks as though it could easily be a guesstimate on the part of the son.)
You probably already have this - Phoebe Constance ROSTRON's funeral notice states she is 'beloved wife of George late of Taree Station, Nymagee' and leaves from her son's residence in Rozelle for the Field of Mars cemetery. A death notice is on p16 of the same issue of the SMH. Nymagee is where her marriage was registered.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/28059351
There is an In memoriam notice for her in 1928 from children Cyril, Ethel and Fred.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/16504810?
Edit to add - sorry for some duplication - no red warning
Judith
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Hi there,
Red Post, I see Debra and Judith are both also alerting you to "Constance"
From the NSW BDM online index, Phobe S BEVAN married George ROSTRON in 1884, and the marriage was registered for NYMAGEE, the reference no. #4743.
From the NSW ER 1903, THE DARLING, polling at Nymagee
ROSTRON Phoebe Constance, at Tara Station, at her domestic duties
BEVAN, James Says, Nymagee, cook
BEVAN, Rosa Bolton, Nymagee, domestic duties
BEVAN, William Says, Nymagee, labourer
NO sighting of George Rostron enrolled to vote at Nymagee.
Relying on my memory, I think that Nymagee is about 60 miles south east of Cobar.
Chezza60, please have another good look at Phoebe's m.c. and confirm if her middle initial is "S" or if it is "C", if in any doubt, (the late 19thC handwriting can be full of flourishes and difficult to read) please consider posting a snip of a section on the RChat decipher board at this link :
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,425.0.html
My friend has returned my phone call, she transcribed some of the marriages in the Coonabarabran district, but none in the Nymagee district.
So, you have some choices
a) don't try to establish detail for Phoebe's parentage/birthplace from her mc
b) contact the C of E to establish where the parish record from Nymagee's C of E is currently held
c) contact a family history group from that area to see if they know of the location of those parish records, or if they hold transcripts from the local parish register
My usual starting points would be Mr Google is your friend ...
;) Cobar Shire Library http://www.cobar.nsw.gov.au/our-town-and-shire/library they would know of the family history group's contact details. I think the group out there is known as Cobar Genealogy Group Inc.
;) Anglican Church Diocese Of Bathurst Cobar, Barton Street, Cobar, NSW 2835
The Diocese of Bathurst Cobar is very extensive, covers more than Dubbo Orana, North Western NSW, Outback NSW
Cheers, JM
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Possibly James' birth in the UK in 1845, son of Henry Seys BEVAN. The 1851 census shows Henry, widower, a brewer and victualler, his mother Jane, and son James.
Debra :)
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Free BMD shows this birth:
June qr 1845
James Seys BEVAN, registered Neath, Vol 26 p466
And I wonder if this is Rosa in 1851 - the parent names match those on her death cert.
Cannot read what I assume to be the name of the house,
Tidenham, Gloucestershire
Thomas Earle 40 Landed Proprietor b City of Bristol
Jane Matilda Earle 50 Landed Proprietor b Rochester, Kent
Ada Matilda Earle 20 at home, b Chepstow, Monmouth
Clara Jane Earle 15 at home, , b Bridgewater, Somerset
Rosa Earle 11 scholar, b Bridgewater, Somerset
Thomas Bollen Earle 9 scholar, b Bridgewater, Somerset
Ann Edwards 18 servant
Possibly her birth
June qr 1839
Rosa EARLE reg Bridgwater Vol 10 p338
Victorian immigration shows a Rosa EARLE on Unassisted passenger lists; Fiche 160, p 009
Rosa EARLE, 19
Arrival: 15 Mar 1859, into Melbourne from Liverpool on the Monica
Nationality: English and Welsh
There is also another entry for a Rosa EARLE arriving a couple of years earlier but I cannot seem to locate it on PROV ??? - probably not looking carefully
Rosa Earle, 14
Arrival: 23 Oct 1857 to Port Phillip Bay, Australia, from Gravesend on the Kent
Nationality: English
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There is also another entry for a Rosa EARLE arriving a couple of years earlier but I cannot seem to locate it on PROV ??? - probably not looking carefully
Rosa Earle, 14
Arrival: 23 Oct 1857 to Port Phillip Bay, Australia, from Gravesend on the Kent
Nationality: English
PROV has it listed as:
EARL ROSA 14yrs OCT 1857 KENT B 134 004
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Thanks Merlin - trying to do it too late at night!!
I see there is an older man George EARL, 60. on the same passenger list as the younger Rosa Earl (on the Kent). The girl on the Monica would seem to be more likely, speculation again ::)
Judith
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Hi there,
I notice that Judith at reply #29 wonders if that is Rosa Earle on the 1851 UK Census .... I think this is very likely, simply because of one of the younger siblings middle names .... Thomas Bollen ... I notice that in (reply #28) 1903 Rosa's middle name is on the Electoral Roll, and it is recorded there as Bolton, and from a transcriber's view, there is not much difference between BOLLEN and BOLTON. I also notice that the NSW BDM online Index gives Rosa's 1883 marriage to James S Bevan registered at Cobar as Rosa B (perhaps as in Bolton ;) ) (#4055) Hopefully I am not duplicating information, but the NSW BDM online index for the 1914 d.c. of a Rosa B Bevan gives her parents as Thomas P and Jane M. (#10768) which again supports Judith's #29 post.
It is likely that the NSW BDM mc (BEVAN=EARLE) will be lacking in the detail of her parentage, her age etc, but perhaps it would be worthwhile to obtain a transcript of that mc to then provide the date, denomination etc AND then combine the quest to find the elusive blanks from Phoebe's marriage (ROSTRON = BEVAN) with a question or three as to Rosa's and James parentage.
As yet I have not found James Seys BEVAN arriving at any port in Australia. I wonder if he went firstly to NZ.
Cheers, JM
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Perhaps chezza60 has already followed up on the Vic immigration record - I cannot have a look at the originals at the mo as apparently PROV have withdrawn permission for Ancestry to use the images.
I think James was still at Briton Ferry, Wales in 1861 living as a boarder at the Villiers Arms with the DAVENPORT family. Next door is his grandmother, Jane Seys BEVAN with her daughter Ann STAMFORD, a victualler. This pub isn't named but in a later census it is the Dock Tavern. The Villiers Arms seems to be the only pub still there today. James' father Henry remarried in 1853 to Elizabeth EDWARDS or Elizabeth THOMAS. Can't see Henry as a victualler in 1861.
Debra :)
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Hope I am not duplicating info already posted
Rosa Earle’s birth possibly registered Second quarter of 1839, at Bridgwater, Somerset, GRO Vol 10, pg 338
1841 UK Census has at Cornhill, Bridgwater, Somerset HO107/971/ 3
Thomas Earle,31, an Auctioneer, not born in the county
Jane Earle, 36, not bc
Adah, (female) Earle 10, not bc
Clare/a Earle 5, bc
Rosa Earle, 2, bc
Robert Earle 18, Accountant bc
Elizabeth Boulting 18, bc (I wonder if that could be a mis heard "Bolton")
Edit to Add ... Thomas Bolton EARLE birth registered 3rd quarter 1841 at Bridgwater, GRO Vol 10, pg 310.
Cheers, JM
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Hi Judb,
Didn't realise that so much info had happened since I last read my mail yesterday.
I think this may be my Rosa as she did arrive in Melbourne in 1859 at the age of 19.
I have Rosa's death cert in front of me hard to read yet mothers name is Jane Matilda Bolton father Thomas ? Earle.
Thankyou for the info.
Still a big question mark as to where Phoebe Rosa's daughter came from? ::)
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Hi Jm,
I have Phoebe's death cert in front of me & yes her name was Phoebe Constance Rostron.
Regards Chezza
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Still a big question mark as to where Phoebe Rosa's daughter came from? ::)
Hi there,
Sorry for repeating myself, but basically, Phoebe provided the information as to when and where she was born when she was interviewed prior to her marriage to George. The info on the mc that you have re that marriage is incomplete. This is NOT unusual because basically the NSW BDM Registrar General's office received ONLY a summary at that time. In 1912 the NSW BDM Reg Gen's office commenced to reconcile their own records with the more detailed records held in each of the many churches throughout NSW. They have not ever completed that task, and it is likely that the task was interupted by the numbers of their clerks who enlisted for WWI, and thus perhaps it was not re-commenced after WWI. Only some of the marriages conducted in NSW in the years 1856-1895 have ever been reconciled by the NSW BDM Reg General's officers, and those that have are from various Sydney locations. Many Sydney ones have not yet been reconciled, most rural/regional ones have not yet been reconciled.
The information that Phoebe provided at the time of her marriage includes when and where she was born. The information she provided was recorded by the clergyman who married her to George. That information is still findable, as it was and still is a requirement of the various denominations church laws as well as the NSW civil laws that the registers must not be destroyed.
Simply put, for you to find out what information Phoebe and George provided the clergyman, you will need to undertake offline research either personally or by seeking contact with either the local church or the local family history group for the districts in and around Nymagee for them to access those local parish records for the C of E at Nymagee.
The thread I did up re the elusive blanks on NSW marriage certs explains how I have overcome the apparent brickwalls on those 1856-1895 NSW marriage certs.
Once you have obtained the information that Phoebe provided to the clergyman, then you can set about validating that information, because, afterall, Phoebe would be relaying information that her Mum provided her. There was not any organisation in those times that actually was established specifically with the responsibility to set about to check up on the accuracy of the information. People's word and handshake were significant ways to demonstrate their own truthfulness, particularly when speaking with a clergyman regarding their intent to marry.
Cheers, JM
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Thankyou JM,
I will try to contact a family research centre in Nymagee or near by.
Thankyou again
Chezza
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One has to wonder whether Rosa was entirely truthful about the birthplace of Phoebe. ???
Going further back with the BEVAN family:
Familysearch has these baptisms, all with parents David and Jane BEVAN (we know, from 1851 census that James BEVAN's father was Henry BEVAN, b Penard, Glamorganer and Henry's mother's name was Jane BEVAN). All baptisms at Pennard, Gamorgan, Wales These are all extracted entries so should be reliable.
ELINOR BEVAN - Christening: 14 MAR 1815
JANE BEVAN Christening: 16 APR 1816
HENRY LAYS BEVAN Christening: 31 DEC 1817
JAMES SEYS BEVAN Christening: 28 MAR 1821
CAROLINE BEVAN - Christening: 28 MAR 1821
Hmm - is this actually the James who came to Australia???? What age is given for him on the marriage cert with Rosa? He would only have been 62 at the time of the 1883 marriage which may have been a regularisation of a long-time relationship.
Briton Ferry and Neath are almost the same place and are port towns for South Wales - perhaps James was a seaman??
I see what would appear to be some of the above family in 1841 in Briton Ferry, remembering ages in 1841 were rounded down. So it looks as though James may have already left
Jane BEVAN 50 publican
Henry BEVAN 20
Caroline BEVAN 20
Ann BEVAN 15
Judith
Wondering if either 'Lays' or 'Seys' could be a mistranscription given the long 'S' in use at the time?
Judith
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Hi Judith,
That James would be the uncle of Rosa's husband. The Henry with Jane, Caroline and Ann in 1841 is James's father.
Debra :)
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Hi Judith,
James Seys Bevan was 41, Rosa was 43. On there mc in 1883
The Seys S does look like a S.
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Oh, ok - I was a bit excited there for a minute!! :-[
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Hi Judith,
Would you think that maybe James & Caroline were twins.
Also would you have a date for David & Janes marriage, also Janes maiden name.
Thankyou so much for all the info you have given me so far.
Cheers Chezza
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It's possible that they were twins but it was not uncommon to baptise more than one child on the same day.
Now to hunt for David and Jane's marriage, or Jane's surname. Jane is born abt 1790, birthplace Swansea (from census data). In 1841 she is a publican in Briton Ferry, and in 1851 with her son Henry who has the Mariners' Arms in Briton Ferry.
Unfortunately, in terms of searching, BEVAN is a common surname in Wales. It would seem from the census info that David is already dead by 1841. Civil registration only began in September qr 1837 in England and Wales and between 1837 and 1841 there are 7 David BEVAN deaths in Glamorgan, and he may have died well before then anyway, so it won't be possible to find his death that way.
Familysearch does not show a marriage that is likely to be them. I would be guessing to say that there is a possibility of her surname being SEYS as this name is used for her child and for his nephew, however we have no way of proving that.
Familysearch shows no record of a Jane Seys birth at the appropriate time/place either. Keep in mind that the birthplace given as Swansea may include districts of Swansea. The baptisms of the children are at Pennard which is on the Gower peninsula, on the outskirts of Swansea.. There is a pic of the church here
http://www.pennard-area-local-history.co.uk/pennard/pennard_parish_registers.htm
The actual registers may give some further information for you. There are some people who will do lookups here:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~walesle/gla/chrec.htm
Cheers, Judith
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Hi Judith,
Thankyou so much for the info will follow up on freepages genealogy.
:) Chezza
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Hi , my name is Emma Cleal ( nee Talbot ) Phoebe Constance Bevan was my great great grandmother - my great grandmother was Alice Rosa Hodge ( born Rostron ) , my grandmother was Elsie Alice Talbot ( born Hodge ) - i have been trying to track a birth place for Phoebe for some time - i keep coming up with New Zealand but i think she may be Aboriginal - my father often spoke about the station that his grandmother lived on and told a story of children being born from aboriginal mothers and european fathers. if anyone has any new leads on this , it would be greatly appreciated.
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Hi Emma, Phoebe was my husbands great grandma.I agree her birth is a mystery, i also think she may have been Aboriginal . We are on the road in our caravan at the moment so i dont have notes. Peter my husband has a 2nd cousin who has done a lot of research on the Rostron she is adamant that Phoebe is from New Zealand. Any way will keep in touch i will be settled in May with my notes at hand.
Regards Cheryl.
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Marriage certificate needing to find Pheobe place of birth. The marriage took place December 1884 at the home of Mr G FJudd a curate ,the minister was William James Dushea , (where did he live Nymagee,Parks,Condoblin)
Was he a visiting minister, did he tske the records with him.Phoebe would have to list her place of birth on a application to marry.Phoebe is a mystery to our family was she New Zealand born or an Aboriginal? Your help would be most grateful.
Thanks Chezza
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You could get a transcription of the cert: 4743/1884 George Rostron to Phoebe Bevan NYMAGEE
Obit, 4th column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article117788230
Buried Field of Mars Cemetery 6th column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article158973619
Funeral notice 3rd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article28059351
Jamjar
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Some previous threads on Phoebe ROSTRON nee BEVAN
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=735235.msg5807984#msg5807984
Ros
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I think this thread needs to be merged with the recent thread on the Australia Board as noted by Ros.
Re G F JUDD.
From the 1878 NSW Electoral Roll for THE BOGAN, and in the Police District of Forbes,
George Frederick JUDD residence at Drumglass.
Are there the usual blanks on the NSW BDM registration of that 1884 marriage?
Here's a thread that you may find useful.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,546609.0.html
JM
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Marriage certificate needing to find Pheobe place of birth. .......
Hi Dundee,
I know that Rosa came to Australia 15th March 1859 arrived in Melbourne.
within the 1st year here she was pregnant with twins born 1861 died 1861.Phoebe came along in 1864.
She married James in 1883 what happened in between time who knows. On Phoebe marriage cert it says New Zealand , maybe that was what she was told. I think maybe she was aborigine.
Chezza
Please type up the info from that marriage cert, including the denomination, as smallest details help with NSW searching.
JM
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Hello chezza60
I have just merged two of your topics together as they were concerning the same lady.
Regards
Sarah
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Hi there,
Have you considered the following Phoebe in your search for her birth?
Vic BDM online index
1865 registration indexed for a Phoebe, with mother as Rosetta WIDDERS and no mention of the baby’s dad’s name. #4893.
http://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/home/family+history/search+your+family+history/
JM
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Hi there,
Have you considered the following Phoebe in your search for her birth?
Vic BDM online index
1865 registration indexed for a Phoebe, with mother as Rosetta WIDDERS and no mention of the baby’s dad’s name. #4893.
http://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/home/family+history/search+your+family+history/
JM
This Phoebe appears to have married in Victoria in 1885.
Marriage
WIDDERS Phoebe
GOODING William
1885 Reg#248
Cando
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Yes, it does seem that way Cando.
There's many a flaw in NSW BDM online indexes for births, deaths and marriages in the years 1856-1890s, so if Phoebe was born in NSW, it is possible her birth has not been included in the registrations listed by NSW BDM.
I am not familiar with NZ BDM for any possible flaws, so I don't know the admin setup behind their central register. I do know though that it was not compulsory for Maori births to be registered until about 1913. http://library.huttcity.govt.nz/docs/OPAC/PDFS/RG-BDM.pdf
Add
https://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/timeline
JM