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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: Sophie30 on Tuesday 04 October 11 15:22 BST (UK)
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Total long shot but worth a go.
Does anyone from Blackpool remember or know anything about a James Arthur Yeadon - known as Frank to his friends I believe (due to his stage name being Frank McKay or McKye during his Music Hall career). He was originally from Middlesbrough but lived in Blackpool in the 1960's.
He was 80 when he died in 1965 (so if anyone did know of him, they would have had to be much much younger, I appreciate that) and dropped down dead in the street having paid a visit to a local bakery. Apart from a donut or sweet treat about his person, he had no other form of ID on him, so I believe an advert was placed in the local paper appealing for anyone who knew him to come forward. His estranged daughter saw the advert and found out about his death from there - her name was Vena Yeadon (my late grandmother).
I am trying to find out about James Arthur Yeadon's early life as a Music Hall Artiste in the North East - a comedian or magician so I believe.
I realise its a total long shor but thought I would post on here to see if the name is at all familiar with anyone or if anyone else might be researching him.
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See
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,506621.0.html
Thank you - I will definately get a copy of his death certificate before I start looking as your right it could take me a while. Thanks for the information and link. I will follow up and let you know what I find.
Did you obtain a copy death cert?
Have you checked him out on the 1911 census to find his occupation?
Where did his wife live?
He was 80 when he died in 1965
According to his death reg he was 87
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Hi CaroleW
I still need to order the certificate. I had to suspend my subscription to Ancestry temporarily (I couldn't keep up with the cost of my research - its an expensive pastime) :-) so need to get back on there to note down the record number etc for his death to be able to order the certificate. I didn't realise he was 87!
I haven't checked the 1911 census but I know he married in 1911 and his marriage certificate states Music Hall Artiste. They were married at middlesbrough registry office (not sure why not a church wedding) and his wife lied on the certificate - she said she was 21, but she was actually only just 17. He was 26.
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I also need to check the 1911 census for his witness, Arthur Lee's occupation - wondering if he may hvae been a Music Hall buddy. The other witness was I England, his brides mother (Elizabeth jackson was the daughter of IsabellaEngland and Matthew Jackson).
So many lines of enquiry with this pair, they are fascinating but a nightmare in terms of my research. so many mysteries and such a colourful life! :)
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Hi
James A Yeadon
Date of Registration: Q2 1965
Age at Death: 87
Registration district: Blackpool
Inferred County: Lancashire
Volume: 10b
Page: 484
Kevin
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Thank you so much Kevin - I really appreciate your kind help.
I will get on and order the certficate today.
Thank you - everyone is always so kind and helpful on here :)
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his wife lied on the certificate - she said she was 21, but she was actually only just 17. He was 26.
If his age at the time of death is correct - he was born around 1878 which makes him 33 when he married in 1911
There are 3 births for his name on freebmd
1880 Great Ouseburn
1884 Leeds
1885 Wharfdale
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Hi CaroleW
Well I am glad you pointed that out because I hadn't noticed that. Sometimes we dont spot the mistakes we make even when they are glaringly obvious - thats why I'm so grateful of everyones help I get on here. :)
I have ordered the death certificate detailed below for him - I hope its the right one. It is strange his age says 87. Did they often get this wrong on certificates?
The reason being is looking again at the births you kindly gave me - I think I had the wrong birth record for him. I assumed the Wharfedale birth was his, given the census information, but I actually think, the 1884 Leeds birth is more likely - I haven't yet purchased a birth certificate. Looking at a map, Wharfedale is near Filey on the coast and Great Ouseburn nearer York. The 1891 Census shows him living in Bradford, Age 5, born in Rawdon Leeds.The 1901 census shows him living in Bramley, Leeds, Age 15, born in Rawdon, Leeds. Therefore I think the 1884 Leeds birth record is more likely him, which would make him 81 when he died and 26 when he married in September 1911, which his marriage certificate states.
I cannot seem to find him on the census for 1911 but I dont know why? Both he and Elizabeth Jackson whom he married were living at 99 Grange Road, Middlesbrough at the time of marriage (living in sin in 1911, tut tut!!) - they married in the registry office (not sure why not a church?) and were Music Hall Artistes at that time. The only thing I haven't done is search 99 Grange Road on the 1911 census, I'm not sure if it is possible to search by address.
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They were not living at 99 Grange Road in the 1911 census!
When you get married, you just have to give an address where you have been for the last 7 nights (currently), but it used to be 14 or 21 nights?
(I know, having used a " temporary" address myself in April! ;D)
A Mr & Mrs Patterson live at 99 Grange Road, and have boarders!
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Hi CaroleW
Well I am glad you pointed that out because I hadn't noticed that. Sometimes we dont spot the mistakes we make even when they are glaringly obvious - thats why I'm so grateful of everyones help I get on here. :)
I have ordered the death certificate detailed below for him - I hope its the right one. It is strange his age says 87. Did they often get this wrong on certificates?
The reason being is looking again at the births you kindly gave me - I think I had the wrong birth record for him. I assumed the Wharfedale birth was his, given the census information, but I actually think, the 1884 Leeds birth is more likely - I haven't yet purchased a birth certificate. Looking at a map, Wharfedale is near Filey on the coast and Great Ouseburn nearer York. The 1891 Census shows him living in Bradford, Age 5, born in Rawdon Leeds.The 1901 census shows him living in Bramley, Leeds, Age 15, born in Rawdon, Leeds. Therefore I think the 1884 Leeds birth record is more likely him, which would make him 81 when he died and 26 when he married in September 1911, which his marriage certificate states.
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IThe age at death is only the age given by the informant -so can ometimes be wrong -but in this case a bigger possibility seems to be that the "1" has been mistranscribed as "7" hence the error in age 87 instead of 81 - simple mistake to make.
My grandfather was 36 when he married but on the copy of marriage certificate which I sent for from GRO his age has been transcribed as 30
Suz
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Hello,
does he give his father's name on his marriage certificate? That would help identify him for his birth.
There is a marriage in 1906 for a James Arthur Yeadon, Leeds and he seems to be in 1911 indexes with his wife Margaret as James A. He is 27 yrs born abt 1884.
1911 indexes also show James Arthur living in Bramley with Albert also in household which would fit with 1901 you quote Sophie.
heywood
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Thank you both for the info.
The plot thickens as to where James Arthur Eadon was on the eve of the census. I know he was working in the music halls and we believe his stage name was Frank mcKay (sounds like tie - dont know how to spell it). I know in later years people knew him as Frank - I wonder if he used his stage name on the census? Or if he was just out performing when the census took place, hence wasn't captured. I imagine he would have probably been boarding with someone. I think Elizabeth Jackson was living with her mother Isabella England (Isabella Jackson - I think she married the father of Elizabeth eventually - despite Elizabeth being born out of wedlock).
Thanks so much for your kind help
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Hello again,
I have just seen a tree with the marriage details and his father was Albert. If you search the 1911 indexes - he is there as James Arthur b 1886. He is in Bramley and there is an Albert Yeadon b 1841 in the household.
heywood
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Hi Heywood
On the wedding certificate James A Yeadons father is called Albert.
Hmmmm the marriage in 1906 could be him - he was born (if the Leeds birth info is the correct record) in 1884. Might that be why they married in a registry office - it states bachelor on the certificate so if he had been married before would it have said widowed or divorced.
I'm a little confused as you say the indexes for 1911 also have a James Arthur living in Bramley with Albert - did you mean the 1911 census shows this? If so that is definately him, as he did live in Bramley (called his son Eric 'Bramley' Yeadon) and his father was Albert, therefore I wonder if he married in 1906 and Margaret whoever she was died, or they divorced, separated and he returned back to live with Albert before remarrying in 1911!
Oh these music hall artistes - what colourful lives they lead!! You wouldn't believe the mysteries I have come across with my great grandparents, James and Elizabeth! I hope he was widowed/divorced - he separated eventually from Elizabeth but I dont think they ever divorced - not sure as I dont know how/where to search divorce records
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Oh, sorry reading your post again, he couldn't have been in two places at once. I guess the James A Yeadon living with Margaret in 1911 (married in 1906) cant be him, could it??
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Sorry - you have misunderstood.
It looks as though James Arthur b Leeds is married to Margaret and living with her in 1911.
James Arthur son of Albert is still with him in 1911 indexes. He is entered as James Arthur b 1886 and is in Bramley with Albert.
Have another search for him :)
The two James are two separate entries and people.
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It is odd that Elizabeth died in Blackpool too.
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I know - I think they remained close although separated? Who knows, she was quite a girl?!!
I am about to post under Middlesbrough forum as I have finally found a record of sorts where she is listed in the Middlesbrough Music Unions Concert Book as a Soprano (I assume with a chorus but not sure) First piece of hard evidence she was a singer :-)
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They may have 'retired' there from their careers and then separated.
Have you got him now in 1911?
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Yes - thank you so much!
I just need to purchase some credit so I can view it now :-) I will do that now.
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Well thats interesting, i thought he would be detailed on the census as a Music Hall Artiste but he is listed as a Cloth Warehouseman.
By september of the same year he was married and detailed his occupation as Music Hall artist, which is what we knew of him as, my great grandmother the same.
Interestingly Middlesbrough record office found her on the Middlesbrough Musical Union Concert Book (1906-1912) listed as a soprano in the festival chorus. I researched the Stage Archive for a Lila D (we thought her stage name was Lila delores or desmond or the like) and found a Lila Delis - Soprano so not sure if that was her. She could of course worked the music halls as a singer in the chorus, but I dont know why she would have had a stage name if so. Both James Arthur Yeadon and her were both known better by their stage names than their real names so I am led to believe via family recollection. She also took her children to Rio in 1921 (without James A yeadon) and my grandmother recalls having a nanny whilst there so I assumed maybe she travelled with a musical company of some sort - strange place to go in 1921 with two tiny children and no husband. :-)
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Maybe she introduced him to the bright lights. :o
I noticed that she went to Brazil on another post elsewhere but didn't read the cirumstances.
Just had a look and she returned with Edward Mayo, 60 yrs a Mine Agent travelling to an address in Bishop Auckland but Brazil as his place of residence.
I just found an earlier post with this information posted by yourself- did you ever find out who Eric Mayo was?
(It['s intriguing ;))
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No I didn't - its driving me crazy.
I'm just looking at the passenger lists now - she travelled out to Brazil on 25th Nov 1920 departing from Liverpool with my grandmother (Vena Yeadon) and my grandmothers brother Eric. It says on the ships list the intended country of permanent residence was Brazil. Interestingly my grandmother and brother travelled under their names, but Elizabeth travelled out there under the name Elizabeth Mayo. She returned from Argentina 6 months later with Edward Mayo (he was a good deal older than her 26 years!) under the name Elizabeth Mayo and the children were listed as Vena and Eric Yeadon-Mayo?! Its all such a mystery and I wish I could get to the bottom of it at least.
My mum said that my grandmother can remember being out there and having a nanny and eating lots of icecream but she was 5 at the time and is now not with us. Eric is a separate story totally - he became estranged from his mother (and my grandmother, Vena until she traced him) after he was sent to Australia on board the Vedic - a ship bound for Australia and chartered by the Salvation Army to send boys (mainly) and girls out to oz for a better life (allegedly - there is much speculation about this) - Eric was one of two of the youngest at 14. Elizabeth and his sister lost touch with him, but my grandmother traced him in 52 via the Salvation Army when she and her family in cluding my mum moved to Australia themselves, only to return a few years later as Elizabeth was in a convent hsopital in Blackpool and had died. I think she regularly checked herself in for respite - not suprised with her eventful life! My mum said she was very glamourous but quite the diva!
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There are a couple of entries for Edward Mayo's journeys but no real clues and his will is in the indexes in 1931.
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Oh really? Is it possible to get copies of wills? Where would I find the index for that (sorry didn't know I could search those).
I am fairly sure ages ago I checked for marriages and he was married to an Elizabeth in Bishop Auckland but not my Elizabeth - a much older one.
Would be interesting to see if she was mentioned in the will - doubtful if his wife was around I bet.
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There is information here re ordering a will Wills (http://www.ancestor-search.info/SRC-Wills.htm) Form (http://www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/courtfinder/forms/pa1s_0405.pdf)
Edward died 2- 10-1931. Probate granted to T Jennings solicitor and Mary Elizabeth Ellen Mayo, widow. (Assuming this is him)
:-\ There are a couple of trees to view re Edward.
Elizabeth Kells Mayo died in 1919 so Edward was possibly a widower at the time of his journey with Elizabeth Yeadon. He may have remarried later.
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Oh I tried to find a tree with him in, I'll have another look.
He liked his Elizabeths :) and i do think that is him, I know I looked sometime ago, hoping I could maybe find a link to the family or something so i thought he was married to an Elizabeth Ellen Mayo, later in life.
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Probably zero connection, but today as I followed Francis Percival McKay (aka Fallon) from my tree I came upon a passenger list with a Francis P McKay leaving Canada to head to 1 Vanville Villa, Medhurst, Sussex who showed his occupation as music hall artist. He was 52 years old making him of apparent correct age of my Francis Percival but otherwise out of character. My Francis McKay was born in Ireland in 1872, married an Elizabeth Hill in Portsmouth, was a member of the Royal Marine Artillery, came to Canada, lost his wife to tuberculosis in 1914, joined Canadian Expeditionary Forces for the first World War, appears to have married an Enath Grayson and then Laura Bell Babcock, but by 1923 returned to England alone and remarried yet again, to an Edith Elizabeth (possibly Coles) and looks like he died in 1943 at the military hospital Cosham, Portsmouth. As far as I know he had one son, Percival John born in Halifax Nova Scotia. Francis Percivlal's mother, Fanny Fallon was born in Corfu, married in Ireland and died in Canada so I guess anything is possible as far as his post-military career.