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Greetings,
I have found a marriage on the IGI between my ancestor Rev. Thomas Broade, M.A., B.A., rector of Chaldon, Surrey, rector of Turnastone, Herefordshire and rector of Benefield, Northamptonshire, and Ann Lod(d)ington at Turnastone on 13 Oct 1722.
I am, however, wondering if the parish register would glean more information. I am specifically seeking information regarding his wife Ann Lodington. I am a descendant of the Lodington family and would like to fit her in as well, especially as it turns out she is also an ancestor. Any notes on whether she was of the parish, or who the witnesses were, would be most helpful, if indeed such information is shown. It would also be interesting to know who was officiating the marriage.
Thomas Broade was rector of this parish from 1720 until his death in 1753, so I am especially hoping for more detail than usual.
One of their daughters, Anne Broade, married Thomas Lodington (another ancestor) in 1747 in the Chapel of Somerset House, London.
Kind regards,
James R. Yeowell
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Hello James, I was just browsing and came upon your post. One of my research interests was a rector and has a plaque in the church where he officiated and is buried (albeit over a century later than your chap ;)). This plaque contains quite a lot of extra information. I was just wondering if there may be something similar for your ancestor? Was Ann buried with Thomas?
If you don't have any takers for your lookup request, are you able to order the relevant PR to your local Family History Centre to view it yourself?
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Ruskie,
Thanks for the reply.
He was buried at Benefield, Northamptonshire, where he was also a rector. So it's likely any monumental inscription will be there rather than at Turnastone. It still maybe worth checking though as I came across some memorials to another family at Turnastone earlier. I have no idea where his wife was buried as I have only just found her marriage. I've not discovered any death notice for her on any Google Books either. The fact she's a Lodington, she may have been buried elsewhere but likely at Benefield as well.
I could always try and find a fiche for that parish, as I have a microfiche reader. I'm actually only situated in Wiltshire, so I could probably drive to Turnastone and try and take a look in the church.
Best regards,
James R. Yeowell
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James, the current rector of the church may be able to tell you if there is a memorial to Thomas in the church (might save you a trip ;)), or perhaps a gravestone.
These days most churches have a website. Maybe a look at that might reveal something about your Thomas - there may even be a "friends of" the church who can help?
You would expect the church to hold some documentation about him, and hopefully his wife, as he was such a prominent member of the community. Might there be a local history group you can contact?
I know there are some Northamptonshire experts here on RC - I'm sure they'll be along soon to help.
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HI James and Ruskie.
There is this burial at Benefield as below.
Benefield C of E
24 Nov 1753
Revd. Mr. Thomas BROADE (rector of this parish)
I haven't taken the graves at the Churchyard yet and the
Northamptonshire Family History Society haven't done the M.I either yet.
Sandy
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Hi again.
Not sure but it looks like a relation took over certainly noted
as being of Benefield 1754, Revd Francis Broade
Sandy
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Sandy,
Rev. Francis Broade, D.D., rector of Benefield, vicar of Southwick was the son of Rev. Thomas Broade, M.A., rector of Turnaston, Benefield and Chaldon and Ann Lodington.
He was christened 19 November 1723 at St. Anne's Soho and died on 22 October 1791 at Southwick Hall, Southwick, Northamptonshire. He married Martha Lynn (d. 4 February 1796, Southwick), daughter of George Lynn, F.S.A., of Southwick Hall and his wife Elizabeth Bellamy, daughter of Humphrey Bellamy of London.
George Lynn's brother was Rev. John Lynn, M.A., B.A., vicar of Southwick and it seems Rev. Francis Broade took over from him after his death.
This Rev. Francis Broade is also the sister of Anne Broade who married Thomas Lodington, who is also my ancestor.
So you are indeed correct that Benefield was taken over by a relative, in this case, his son. As you also notice, he was vicar of Southwick, also in Northamptonshire.
By the way, Rev. Francis Broade and Anne Broade had a sister Mary Broade (chr. 11 October 1726, Benefield, Northamptonshire) who married a Thomas Bradford on 16 July 1749 at Benefield, Northamptonshire. It could be likely this Thomas Bradford may be of a gentry or clergy family too. If you happen to come across any reference to him in the registers too, then it would be very much appreciated if you could forward such information onto me.
Thank you for the assistance.
Kind regards,
Jame R. Yeowell
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Hi James.
The marriage of Thomas is listed in the Northants Marriage Indexes
Benefield
16 Jul 1749
Thomas BRADFORD of St. Albans in Wood Street, London to
Mary BROADE otp
I could look at the original P.R's for you soon if you wish so
if you have anyone else in the village let me know.
Sandy
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And in case anyone else is following the family James from same indexes.
Southwick By License
10 Jun 1755
Francis BROADE of Benefield, clerk to Martha LYNN otp
Sandy
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Sandy,
That was a rather swift reply! Thanks for that. It does help a little knowing he was of St. Albans in Wood Street (although I'm not sure if that's referring to a church of St. Alban in Wood Street or not -- I'll have a look). He is not an ancestor but I am always interesting in finding potential new cousins.
A look at the original PRs would be very much of use to me. Thank you for the kind offer. I am mostly trying to find out where Ann Lodington fits in as I only have the one Ann Lodington who seems to fit right now and I'm not sure if it is her or not.
The Anne Lodington I have was born 14 April 1695 and christened 15 May 1695 at St. James, Westminster. She was the daughter of William Lodington and Elizabeth.
Alas, that is all I know of her and her family. I am not even sure who William Lodington her father is as of yet.
I believe the only links I have to Benefield are via the Broade family when they were rectors there, so I am unsure whether there will be many others to look for. Unless, of course, Thomas Bradford and his wife Mary Broade had children in Benefield.
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And in case anyone else is following the family James from same indexes.
Southwick By License
10 Jun 1755
Francis BROADE of Benefield, clerk to Martha LYNN otp
Sandy
I believe Martha Lynn's uncle was rector of Southwick at this time, so I am surprised this record does not mention this. I am sure the information relating to Rev. Thomas Broade's wife Anne Lodington is around somewhere though. That's the problem with clergy and middle-class families, they tended to move around a lot so it's not always easy to pin down a daughter to a specific branch. Although in this case I am sure she's related to her son-in-law Thomas Lodington in some kind of close kinship.
Addendum: oh and Sandy, thanks again. There are a few other Lodington researchers on Rootschat, so posting such information is especially welcome.
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Hi James.
The above is only from an index so when I look at the original
for you it will note more hopefully.
Sandy
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I was indeed correct. St. Alban was a chuch in Wood Street, so Thomas Bradford may have been a clerk, or related to a clergyman. I shall see what I can find.
Addendum: ah, thanks for the explanation. I hope the full PR does indeed glean more information. Some parishes are better than others though, of course.
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I found this in relation to Charterhouse Chapel:
1751 Oct. 31 Thomas Bradford, of the Parish of St. Alban's, Woodstreet,
London, Widower, and Susanna Killett, of ye same Parish,
Spinster. With Licence, W. Ramsden.
So it looks like he remarried within 2 years of his first marriage, which obviously suggests Mary Broade died between 16 July 1749 and 31 October 1751.
Although here it says he's of the parish of St. Alban's in Wood Street, so he may have just lived in Wood Street and not been associated with the church.
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I shall return the compliment James, "that was quick".
I will look at the fiches hopefully tomorrow for the village
which had an Upper and Lower if I remember correctly.
Sandy
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Well I am usually pretty good with Google searches but it seems other researchers of this interesting family group have different eyes than I do, as they've found lots of interesting information I had not come across before.
I look forward to finding out what the PR entries for Benefield say. I know they often have notes in the margin written by the vicar, rector or clerk, so I am hoping this is the case here.
Of course, if anyone has access to the Turnastone PRs too, I would be extremely grateful to hear from you.
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A quick update:
Mary Bradford, née Broade was buried on 8 August 1750 at St. Alban's, Wood Street, City of London.
John Berriman was the rector at this time.#
Addendum:
Thomas Bradford and Susanna Killett had at least 2 children:
1. Thomas Bradford, born 28 January 1753 and chr. 16 February 1753, St. Alban's, Wood Street
2. Samuel Killet Bradford, born 23 July 1754 and chr. 26 August 1754 St. Alban's, Wood Street
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Something else I should add, just in case anyone reading this can be of assistance, as it is relevant to Herefordshire also:
I'm seeking further information on Rev. Thomas Broade, of Mordiford, Herefordshire who married Margery Hereford (chr. 28 Feb. 1636, St. Martin, Hereford and daughter of Roger Hereford, of Sufton Court, Herefordshire and his wife Frances Rodd, daughter of James Rodd, of Hereford) on 13 April 1665 in Mordiford, Herefordshire.
They had 3 children, one of whom was Rev. Francis Broade, M.A., B.A., prebendary of Hereford, vicar of Brinsop, vicar of Yazor, rector of Stoke Lacy, rector of Bromyard (2nd Portion). He may have also been canon of Hereford but I think the source meant prebendary instead.
All I know about the above Rev. Thomas Broade was that he was of Mordiford. I do not know if he was vicar or rector of this parish.
His two other children were, viz. Thomas Broade, chr. 17 November 1669 and Richard Broade, chr. 18 September 1673, both at Mordiford.
The Broade family's arms and crest are as follows, just in case this helps pin them down:
Arms: Gules a chevron Or. between 3 leopards' faces Argent, crowned of the second
Crest: On a chapeau Azure, turned up ermine, a leopard's head coupled Argent, crowned Or.
Granted 27 June, 13 Chas. I. (1639) by Sir Edward Bysshe. Garter.
I therefore presume the above Rev. Thomas Broade took these arms as he fl. during the reign of Charles I.
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Hi James.
I managed to find some information for you today from
the original Parish Records.
Southwick Parish Church
Francis Broade Clerk, of the Parish
of Benefield in the County of Northampton
and Martha Lynn of the Parish of Southwick
in the County aforesaid, were married in this
Church by Licence this Tenth th Day of June in the
year of our Lord one thousand Seven hundred and
fifty five By me Edw: Owen Vicar
This marriage was Solemnized Fra: Broade
between us ---------------------- M Lynn
In presence of G Lynn
John Efsex
Sandy
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Southwick Parish Church
Francis Broade. D.D. was buried
Septr 28th --------- died Septr 22nd
Broade, Francis. ---only s. of Thomas R. of Benefield,
Northants b. in London. chr at St. Ann, westminster. Schools
Oundle and Eton. Sid. Suss. Coll. Camb. adm pens (age 17) 26
Jan. 1740-1. matric 1740-1. B.A. 1744-5. M.A. 1751. D.D. 1777.
deac. 21 Dec 1746 (Linc. let. dim. from Pet.) pr. 20 Dec 1747 (Pet.)
V. of Southwick, inst. and subsc. 6 March 1749-50, res. 1754. R. of
Benefield 18 Dec. 1753 on the death of Thos. Broade, clerk. lic. to
preach 17 Dec 1753. d. 22 sept. bur. 28 Sept. 1791, at Southwick,
co. Northampton.
m. 10 June 1755 at Southwick by lic. Martha Lynn of Southwick, she d.
4 Feb., bur. 8 Feb. 1796 at Southwick.
Sandy
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Benefield Parish Church Marriage
Thomas Bradford of the Parish of Saint Albans in Wood
Street London was married to Mary Broade of this Parish
July the 16th 1749
Benefield Parish Church Burial
The Revd. Mr Thos Broade Rector of this Parish was buried
November the 24th 1753
Sandy
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And lastly
Broade, THOMAS.--s. of Francis, V. of "Gezor." co. Here-
ford, clerk [ i.e., Vazor, co Hereford] 1692 and Canon of Hereford.
St John's Coll. Oxf. matic 16 March 1709-10, aged 17. B.A.
16 Feb 1713-4. M.A. from Emam. Coll. Camb 1725. deac. 9 Oct.
1715 (Rich. Bp. of Glouc.) pr. 20 Sept. 1719 (Philip, Bo. of Here-
ford). R. of Turmaston, co Hereford, 1720. R. of Benefield 23 May
1724-1753. R. of Chaldon. Surrey, 1726-40. bur. 24 Nov. 1753 at
Benefield.
m. Issue:
Francis, only son, R. of Benefield 1753-1791.
Sandy
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Sandy,
Thanks for these look-ups. What was the source for the last two (the notes on their clerical careers and schooling)? I have found similar records before but these seem slightly different to those and with some extra information.
Just a couple of quick corrections: Gezor is Yazor and Turmaston is Turnastone.
This also says that Thomas Broade was a Canon of Hereford but when I checked, it looks as if he was rather a prebendary.
I am also glad I mentioned Southwick at the last minute, as I had only mentioned Benefield before that and they're both neighbouring parishes.
Of information: Foxley, in the parish of Yazor, was where some of the Rodd family resided (and I believe had land). The Rodds are ancestors of Francis and Thomas and the younger Francis Broade. Mordiford, the apparent residence of Rev. Thomas Broade, was the ancient seat of the Hereford family who married twice into the Broade family.
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James,
The book was by Rev. Henry Isham Longden called
Northamptonshire and Rutland Clergy
I checked it wasn't copyrighted there certainly was no indication
that it was. :)
Gezor is how it was written but the Y instead of V for Yazor
I was un-sure about, sorry, but everything else is correct
I believe as written at that time.
Sandy
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Ah, thanks.
Much of that information can be found at the Clergy Database, e.g:
Foster: Broade, Francis, s. Thomas, of Mordiford, co. Hereford, cler. Brasenose Coll., matric. 20 Mar 1683-4; BA 1687, MA 1690, vicar of Brinsop, co Hereford, 1691, and of Yazor 1692, canon of Hereford 1702, rector of Stoke Lacy 1706, and of Bromyard (and portion) 1709. See Foster's Index Eccl..
So that comes from Foster.
This chap could be a relation:
Best fit from Foster is:
Samuel of Gloucs pleb. matriculated St Mary Hall Oxford 24/10/1595, aged 20; BA 15/11/1597; MA from St Alban Hall 20/03/1601 ns; rector of Rendcomb 1610 (possibly son of William, rector of Rendcomb 1577-1610), father of Samuel (Magdalen Hall, 1632) and brother of Thomas (St Mary Hall 1595).
I also found this, which actually confuses matters somewhat:
Buried in the chancel, again under carpet are two former rectors of Chaldon :-
Rev'd Thomas Broade, died 20th October 1738
Rev'd George Piggott, died 2nd September 1766
The Rev. Thomas Broade, who was former vicar of Chaldon, was buried on 24 November 1753 in Benefield. So this is not his death date. Unless, of course, his grandfather, whose death and burial have yet to be found, was also linked to Chaldon. However, this Rev. Thomas Broade's son Rev. Francis Broade, who was prebendary of Hereford, died on 9th March 1728. Of course, it is possible for him to have died before his own father though.
So now I am curious as to who he is.
I'm also hoping to determine whether these Broade's are kin of the Broade's of Fenton Vivian, Staffordshire.
This book (http://www.archive.org/stream/monumentalinscr00clargoog#page/n5/mode/2up) also has links to the Broade's of Herefordshire, so I shall see if they fit in somewhere too.
Addendum: the early Broade family members can often be found under the spelling of Broad, Brode or Brod. This may help in regards to searches.
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The best of luck in your future research James.
Now we have the Northants done.
Sandy
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Sandy,
Thanks for all your assistance, it is very much appreciated.
I presume you found nothing on Rev. Thomas Broade's wife Ann (néé Lodington)? I guess she was not buried at either Benefield or Southwick. Hmm.
Unrelated but I just realised I also have note of a Will for the Rev. Thomas Broade who was rector of Chaldon (I presume he still a different individual to the one buried at Benefield). It seems he made his well on 18 October 1738 and it was proved on 14 October 1740.
I shall try and see if I can find a copy of it.
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I have now had a look through "Monumental inscriptions in the Cathedral Church of Hereford" and found some Broade's I did not know about before.
There is a latin memorial to an Edward Broade who seems to have been vicar of Wellington (I need the Latin translated). Further down the page it notes another Broade and wife (no forenames), vicar choral.
Beneath those two, is listed the following in parentheses:
Thomas Broade, Custos, died 1709.
John Broade, died 1703
And then below that:
Edward Broade, vicar, buried May 17, 1704.
Richard Broade, bookseller, buried Oct. 17,1704
The Thomas Broade, Custos, could conceivably be the Rev. Thomas Broade, of Mordiford, mentioned previously.
Therefore, the Thomas Broade who was buried in 1738 in Chaldon, could be his son, who I have a christening for but no further details. Again, I shall see what I can find. I am sure Rev. Edward Broade though is related to the family.
Addenda: Edward Broade was indeed vicar of Wellington, Herefordshire, as proved here:
The church’s bells were inscribed in the 17th Century, in Latin, as follows:
“Deus miserere Meus Jesus Nazareus. Rex Judeor”. Translation - My God My Jesus of Nazareth, have mercy. King of the Jews. King’s heads are inserted as stops.
2. Prece Marie. Dulce sonet et amene”. Translation – Pray Mary let the bells sound sweetly with harmony.
3. “Gloria: Deo: in Excelsis”. 1695. Translation – Glory to God in the Highest.
4. “Ed: Broade: vicar: Henry Rogers gent: Will Chester Chwardens, Will Towne Gt: Rich. Walton”. 1693. A.Rudhall.
“Ora pro nobis; Nicholavs: Sancte; Nicolae”. Translation – pray for us Holy Nicholas.
“Gloria Deo”. Glory to God. A small bell.
The bells were re-hung in 1913.
Richard Broade, the bookseller, could also be the son of Rev. Thomas Broade, of Mordiford and therefore the brother of both Rev. Francis Broade, prebendary of Hereford and Thomas Broade (chr. 17 November 1669) and potentially the rector of Chaldon who died in 1738. I have a Richard Broade as being christened 18 September 1673 and being the son of Thomas Broade and Margery Hereford.
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Bingo! This fits as showing that Rev. Thomas Broade, of Chaldon married and had a daughter Ann (and possibly a son Richard Broade as well):
n.b. the parish of Coulsdon is situate north-west of Chaldon
20 May, 1738. Richard Wood of Coulsdon, farmer, bachelor, 21,
and Anne Broad of the same parish, spinster, 14 ; at St. George,
Christ Church, or St. Saviour, Southwark. By and with the consent
of John Chelsome her brother-in-law and testamentary guardian of
her father, Thomas Broad. Anthony Wood of St. Mary, Newington,
co. Surrey, baker, makes oath that he saw the said John Chelsome
sign the consent ...... he is also one of the sureties.
To the Worshipful Charles Pinfold, Doctor of Laws, Surrogate of
the Right Worshipful the Chancellor of the Diocese of Winton, or any
other competent Judge in this behalf.
These are to certify that I, John Chelsam, one of the executors
of the last will and testament of Thomas Broad, late of the parish of
Coulsdon, in the county of Surrey, widower, deceased, and testa-
mentary guardian by the said will of Anne Broad, the daughter of
the said deceased, am consenting to the marriage of the said Anne to
Richard Wood of the said parish of Coulsdon. In witness whereof I
have hereunto set my hand this fifteenth day of May, 1738. Witnesses,
John Chelsome, Anthony Wood.
And here's what could be Thomas' son, Richard:
6 Nov. 1764. Richard Broade, of St. John, Southwark, abode 4 weeks, yeoman, he marks, bachelor, 21, and Ann Johnson of the same parish, spinster, 21 ; at St. John, Southwark
Although he may have been born too late to be the son of Thomas Broade. So I shall note this with caution.
Addendum: this actually throws up more confusion, as if indeed this Anne Broade was 14 years in 1738, then this would mean she was born in 1724. This happens to be the same year of birth as the Anne Broade, daughter of Rev. Thomas Broade, rector of Turnastone, rector of Benefield and vicar of Chaldon and the same as I have noted down as marrying Thomas Lodingtin 1747 at the Chapel of Somerset House. So either the Anne Broade who married Thomas Lodington is a different individual, or the above marriage was annulled early. However, as noted previously, her father Rev. Thomas Broade supposedly was buried on 24 November 1753 in Benefield and is not the Rev. Thomas Broade who died in 1738 and was buried in Chaldon.
The only thing I can think of, is that the Rev. Thomas Broade who was vicar of Chaldon in 1726 is not the same individual who was rector of Benefield and Turnaston, despite what Foster's Index Ecclesiasticus says on the contrary.
Plus the above record that Sandy posted indicates Rev. Thomas Broade was vicar of Chaldon between 1726 and 1740 (which would be correct, although it should be 1738, as his will was proved in 1740).
So are there two contemporary Rev. Thomas Broade's?
Further to the above, I have just checked my Surrey burials CD and found a whole lot of Broad(e)s in Chaldon and Coulsdon, so I think there could be some confusion with the two Rev. Thomas Broade's.
The Broad(e)s I have found:
Broad, [ch Thomas], buried 17 May 1695, Chaldon
Broad, Ann, buried 11 May 1708, Chaldon
Broad, Ann [d Thomas], buried 29 June 1713, Coulsdon
Broad, Ann [w Thomas], buried 22 December 1722, Coulsdon
Broad, John, buried 13 September 1797, Coulsdon
Broad, John [s Thomas], buried 2 May 1722, Coulsdon
Broad, Susannah [w Thomas], buried 18 May 1735, Coulsdon
Broad, Thomas, buried 3 May 1721, Chaldon
Broad, Thomas, buried 29 July 1737, Coulsdon
Broade, Elizabeth, buried 1 November 1758, Chaldon
I shall now check the marriages:
James John Broad. married Mary Ann Nunn in October 1835 in Chaldon
John Broad, of Nutfield, Surrey and Emma Miles, married on 31 October 1725 in Coulsdon
Thomas Broad, of Chaldon and Mary Wood, married on 4 June 1672 in Coulsdon
William Broad, of the parish and Ann Charlton, of the parish, married on 26 February 1806 in Chaldon
Ann Broad and George Champniss, married in March 1826 in Chaldon
Catherine Broad, of the parish and Joseph Gray, of the parish, married on 6 June 1710
Elizabeth Broad and John Chelsome, of Ewelme, married on 27 November 1735 in Coulsdon
Elizabeth Broad and George Fludder, married in July 1824 in Chaldon
Martha Broad, of the parish and William Senier, of Clewer, Berkshire, married on 14 February 1805, in Chaldon
Mary Broad, of Bletchingley, and Richard Birkin, of Chaldon, married on 10 April 1757 at Chaldon and Bletchingley
Patience Broad and John Haswell, married on 29 March 1719 in Coulsdon
Ruth Broad, of St. Botolph Billingsgate, and William Newman, of St. Catherine Coleman Street, London, married on 8 May 1732 in Chaldon
Joan Broade, of the parish and John King, of the parish, married on 27 February 1709 in Chaldon
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I have found a christening for an Anne Broad on 9 March 1724 at Coulsdon and she is the daughter of Thomas Broad and Susannah. So either there was a total coincidence and the above Thomas Broad who married Susannah and whose daughter Anne Broad married Richard Wood, is a completely different individual to the Rev. Thomas Broade, rector of Chaldon who died in 1738, or they are the same individual and researchers have gotten confused.
I do note that the burial of 29 July 1737 in Coulsdon for a Thomas Broad differs to the death date of the Rev. Thomas Broade, rector of Chaldon, which was in 1738, so it may indeed just be a coincidence.
I am still confused though as there is still two different death/burial dates for a Rev. Thomas Broade, rector of Chaldon. My suspicions are that the rector of Chaldon (who apparently was rector between 1726 and 1740) was not the same individual as the Rev. Thomas Broade, rector of Turnastone and Benefield.
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I have found the will of Rev. Thomas Broade who died in 1757 and possibly of his wife (Anne Lodington), which was made on 19 May 1767 and she was a widow of Benefield.
It looks promising. So I shall order those two, as well as the ones for Rev. Francis Broade, of Southwick (8 November 1791) and Martha Broade (née Lynn), Widow, of Southwick (19 March 1796).
I am not sure whether they will reveal who Anne Broade (née Lodington) was the daughter of but they may of course be very important. Especially as Anne Broade (who is my ancestor) married my ancestor Thomas Lodington.
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Sandy,
I've just remembered that Rev. Joseph Lodington, M.A, B.A., Prebendary of Lincoln, vicar of Horbling, Lincolnshire, vicar of Woodnesborough, Kent, vicar of Chart Sutton, Kent and vicar and curate of Oundle, Northamptonshire, was apparently buried at Benefield. He died in December 1806 (he was vicar of Oundle at this time).
Could you perhaps check to see when he was buried? Also, if that book on clergyman of Northamptonshire has any further details about him, I'd be extremely grateful.
He was vicar of Oundle between 1796 and 1806 and curate of Oundle between 1783 and 1785.
He married on 5 June 1787 at St. Mildred Poultry with St. Mary Colechurch, London, to Joanna Maria Smith (born 15 September 1755 and christened 8 October 1755 at St. Mary Colechurch, London and daughter of John Smith, of Bucklersbury, London and his wife Hannah Mills, daughter of Rev. Henry Mills, M.A., B.A., rector of Merstham, Surrey. I do not know when or where she died or was buried but she may well have been buried in Benefield or Oundle.
They had four children:
1. Rev. Francis William Lodington, B.D., M.A., B.A., rector of Brington and Bythorn and Old Weston, Huntingdonshire and deacon of Buckden -- he was christened 22 August 1790 in Southwick and died 30 January 1857.
2. Caroline Grace Lodington, born about 1794, Southwell, Northamptonhire (I think it should be Southwick) and married Edward William Smith on 23 June 1825 at Oundle. He was son of William Edward Smith (son of the aforementioned John Smith, of Bucklersbury and his wife Hannah Mills) and Mary Saffory, daughter of John Saffory and Ann
3. Rev. Henry John Lodington, born 5 August 1798, Oundle and died 7 August 1864, Sittingbourne, Kent. Unfortunately I have no further details about his clerical life
4. Martha Lynn Lodington, died 6 April 1884, 62 Pembroke Road, London
Many apologies for not mentioning these individuals earlier but I didn't notice until now where they were born and where Rev. Joseph Lodington was vicar and curate.
Many thanks in advance.
Best regards,
James R. Yeowell
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Greetings,
I came across this discussion whilst researching the provenance of an old 17thC religious book in my collection. The preface of the book is signed "Francis Broade" - His Book - Given to me by my dear Aunt Susanna Lodington - July the 2nd 1733. Given the connections between Broad/Lodington it would seem that the Francis Broade probably refers to the REV Francis Broade DD, particularly since the book is on the Life of Christ, the Apostles & Saints.
There is also a further inscription - Mrs Susanna Lodington - Her Book of Gift of my Dear Father - 1716. The book itself was published in London, 1677.
I can post a scan of the book inscription if this is of any interest.
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Valentine,
That is an excellent post. Many thanks for sharing it with us. It is also very pleasing to hear such a book exists with this inscription on. It would be interesting to know whether other such books exist with inscriptions on by members of the Broade and Lodington family. I know some portraits of Lodington family members are in existence in Lincolnshire.
A scan would be wonderful. I am not sure whether you can post it here or not, so if you have any issues with this, do let me know and I'll supply you with my e-mail address.
Best regards,
James R. Yeowell
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Hi James,
I've uploaded the signature scan image to the following weblink:
http://www.valentina.net/Francis-Broade-Susanna-Lodington-1733.jpg
It seems that Francis would have been around 10 years old when he was presented with this book by his Aunt Susanna Lodington, who I guess may have been a sister to Ann Lodington who was the wife of Thomas Broade, father of Francis Broade. I can find no further information with regards to Susanna.
I hope this is useful! The book is a massive tome of over 1000 pages, with 3 religious works bound together that were printed in London in the years 1667, 1675 & 1677.
Best Regards - Valentine
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Welcome to rootschat Valentine (nice name by the way ;)). Your book sounds fascinating - what a wonderful object to have in your possession.
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Thank you, Valentine.
There's a few Susanna's she could be. I shall go through them and find the most likely candidate. The obvious ones, however, are as follows:
1. Susannah Lodington, christened 1 May 1689, St. Mary's Church, Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire and daughter of my 5th Great Grandparents, Rev. Isaac Lodington, M.A., vicar of Aylesbury, Dean of Buckden and his wife Ann Bedford -- she had a sister Anne Lodington (chr. 29 Dec 1685, St. Mary's Church, Aylesbury)
n.b. the above Rev. Isaac Lodington's grandson (via his son Isaac) was Thomas Lodington (1723-1766) who married Anne Broade (sister of Francis), daughter of Rev. Thomas Broade, M.A., rector of Benefield and his wife Ann Lodington (possibly the Anne above, sister of Susannah and both daughters of Rev. Isaac Lodington)
2. Susannah Lodington, chr. 14 Oct 1718, St. Margaret Lothbury, London and daughter of John Lodington (son of Rev. Isaac Lodington and Ann Bedford) and Mary Lodington (I have yet to find out who her Lodington forebears are either) -- this is probably a bit late to be the Susannah Lodington on your inscription. Plus she also had a sister Ann but she was born too late to be the wife of Rev. Thomas Broade.
3. Although no proof, she could also be the daughter of John Lodington (buried 24 September 1701, St. Margaret Lothbury) and his wife Susanna (buried 17 October 1718, St. Margaret Lothbury) who had a son Nathaniel Lodington born 2 August 1697 and christened 8 August 8 Aug 1697 at St. Margaret Lothbury. Nathaniel is a name that also shows in the Isaac branch (as a grandson of the Rev. Isaac Lodington), thus maybe proving such a link.
n.b. of course, the Mary Lodington who married on 12 December 1717 at Lincoln's Inn Chapel, to John Lodington (mentioned above) was said to have been of St. Margaret's Lothbury and was born circa 1694, so she could also be a daughter of John Lodington and Susanna -- especially as this couple had a son named Nathaniel.
It is looking very much like Ann(e) Lodington, wife of Rev. Thomas Broade (and parents of Rev. Francis Broade) is therefore the daughter of Rev. Isaac Lodington and Ann Bedford and thus her sister Susanna(h) would have been the aunt of Rev. Francis Broade.
This is excellent news, Valentine. You have solved this issue rather nicely! Of course, it would now be great for me to find proof she is the daughter of Rev. Isaac Lodington and I am hoping the Turnastone registers indicate this.
Thank you again for your interesting postings. It's always wonderful to see old books (I have always fancied myself at being an Antiquarian but I do not have the space or money to be one) and especially ones with a personal touch. I presume you did not inherit the book?
Addendum: I plan on making a website at a later date regarding my Lodington ancestors, so I was going to ask whether it was all right to use the image you uploaded on there? I shall of course reference it back to you as well.
Kind regards,
James R. Yeowell
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Thanks James,
(1) Noting that the inscription states "Mrs Susanna Lodington was gifted the book by her father in 1716", it means that she was definitely married at this date, and hence the birth year of 1689 fits very well since she would have been 27 years old when she received the book.
(2) In view of the fact that this is a religious book (saints & apostles), it seems very appropriate that her father was also a full Minister of the Church - Rev Isaac Lodington. In addition the final publication date of the book - 1677 (this was a 1st Edition of this particular work by the theologian William Cave) - ties in well with this generalogical scenario.
So I agree that the most likely conclusion to be drawn from your searches is that Ann(e) (b 1685) and Susanna(h) (b 1689) Lodington were indeed sisters and the daughters of the Rev Isaac Lodington and Ann Bedford from Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire!
I should add that I acquired the book from an antique book dealer as part of my small collection of 17thC religious works. My great-grandfather, and also his father were Ministers of the Baptist Church in South Wales during the the late 19thC/early 20thC, so I guess that I also have some "religious" genes although I've never studied theology. I'm always interested in the provenance of antique books since during the 17thC they were valuable family assets, and passed on by inheritance through several generations as in the case of this book.
Thanks so much for all your extremely helpful information which I will print out and keep within the book for future generations! Best Regards - Valentine
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Valentine,
Thanks for the prompt reply.
I did just note the "Mrs Susanna Lodington" however. This would suggest she was married. I have found nothing pertaining to this being true. If Susanna was the daughter of Rev. Isaac Lodington, then she would surely be "Miss Susanna Lodington"? Unless, of course, she married an as yet unknown individual and was still referred to by her maiden name, or her husband had died by this time. There are a few Lodington's who married Susanna(h)s though. None however really fit datewise. The only one that does married in 1735, which I feel is too late, bearing in mind he was handed the book in 1733 and she was married by this time. Plus that is her own hand and written in 1716. Rev. Isaac Lodington was still living in 1716 (he died in 1729) but her mother, Ann (née Bedford) was deceased (1714).
Did unmarried women call themselves Mrs. at this time, do you know? Alternatively, did married women refer to themselves by their maiden name?
I have no idea what may have happened to other collections within this family. They would have likely handed down other books to the other children.
One thing I still have yet to check out is Rev. Isaac Lodington's Will. This, I hope, would solve the above issues.
Best regards,
James.
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James, I believe that married women were often known by their maiden names in Scotland, and I believe that housekeepers were always known as "Mrs" even if they were unmarried, but I'm not sure if there are other examples of this.
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James,
(1) I would imagine that since this was a "Lodington Family Book" that Susanna might well sign the book inscription with her maiden name (Lodington).
(2) I also agree that since she was already 27 years old in 1716, that even if she was unmarried, she might still refer to herself as "Mrs" in "Her" book. The "Mrs" might even have been a private desire to become married in the near future, or that she already had a romantic relationship?!
In any case, the above is personal speculation that only cold hard facts can fully verify! Thanks-Again for all your detailed information , help & support!
Best Regards - Valentine
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Hi James,
I re-read your response, and see that you plan to set up a Lodington Family Archive Website in the future. So in thanks for all your kind support, I've uploaded a website of the family book to help you on your way - You're welcome to upload and reuse any of these images for your site!
http://www.valentina.net/Lodington/index.html
You'll also note that on the cover & back of the binding there are the letters: W BROOKS - However, since the book has clearly been rebound at sometime it is difficult to say whether the front & back boards are contemporary with the 17thC publication of the book, or 18th/19thC additions. The spine is definitely a 20thC repair since I in common with many 17thC Books, the Boards become detached after the binding cords eventually rot! I did try a quick on-line research for "W BROOKS", and connections with "LODINGTON" but drew a complete blank!
Anyway - Thanks again for providing such background & provenance to the book:) - Valentine
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Valentine,
It is fascinating to see the images of the book. You are so lucky to be it's custodian. The book looks to be in very good condition. How long have you owned it?
Gosh, if I were James, I would be so envious that you have this book which used to belong to an ancestor. To think that his ancestors read those pages and wrote their name so many years ago, is difficult for me to comprehend. (I live in Australia so am impressed by old things, as there is new all around me. ;))
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James,
Have you checked the Will of Rev Thomas Broade yet?
If not there is mention of his wife Ann, Daughter Ann, wife of Thomas Lodington, son Rev Francis Broade.
Lorraine
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Hi James - I came across your post whilst searching for information about Francis William Lodington, Rector of Brington & Old Weston 1839-1857, Huntingdonshire and I see that you have a lot of information about the family. I am looking for some biograpical detail for this gentleman to put together a note about his life for Brington Church of which I am churchwarden. I only started this project today so have not got too far yet! Would you be able to fill in any details about him for me by any chance? I would like to know about his own issue as well as his forebears if possible. They seem to have been a family full of priests from what I can tell to date! Anything you can tell me would be gratefully received! Many thanks. Marion
Thank you, Valentine.
There's a few Susanna's she could be. I shall go through them and find the most likely candidate. The obvious ones, however, are as follows:
1. Susannah Lodington, christened 1 May 1689, St. Mary's Church, Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire and daughter of my 5th Great Grandparents, Rev. Isaac Lodington, M.A., vicar of Aylesbury, Dean of Buckden and his wife Ann Bedford -- she had a sister Anne Lodington (chr. 29 Dec 1685, St. Mary's Church, Aylesbury)
n.b. the above Rev. Isaac Lodington's grandson (via his son Isaac) was Thomas Lodington (1723-1766) who married Anne Broade (sister of Francis), daughter of Rev. Thomas Broade, M.A., rector of Benefield and his wife Ann Lodington (possibly the Anne above, sister of Susannah and both daughters of Rev. Isaac Lodington)
2. Susannah Lodington, chr. 14 Oct 1718, St. Margaret Lothbury, London and daughter of John Lodington (son of Rev. Isaac Lodington and Ann Bedford) and Mary Lodington (I have yet to find out who her Lodington forebears are either) -- this is probably a bit late to be the Susannah Lodington on your inscription. Plus she also had a sister Ann but she was born too late to be the wife of Rev. Thomas Broade.
3. Although no proof, she could also be the daughter of John Lodington (buried 24 September 1701, St. Margaret Lothbury) and his wife Susanna (buried 17 October 1718, St. Margaret Lothbury) who had a son Nathaniel Lodington born 2 August 1697 and christened 8 August 8 Aug 1697 at St. Margaret Lothbury. Nathaniel is a name that also shows in the Isaac branch (as a grandson of the Rev. Isaac Lodington), thus maybe proving such a link.
n.b. of course, the Mary Lodington who married on 12 December 1717 at Lincoln's Inn Chapel, to John Lodington (mentioned above) was said to have been of St. Margaret's Lothbury and was born circa 1694, so she could also be a daughter of John Lodington and Susanna -- especially as this couple had a son named Nathaniel.
It is looking very much like Ann(e) Lodington, wife of Rev. Thomas Broade (and parents of Rev. Francis Broade) is therefore the daughter of Rev. Isaac Lodington and Ann Bedford and thus her sister Susanna(h) would have been the aunt of Rev. Francis Broade.
This is excellent news, Valentine. You have solved this issue rather nicely! Of course, it would now be great for me to find proof she is the daughter of Rev. Isaac Lodington and I am hoping the Turnastone registers indicate this.
Thank you again for your interesting postings. It's always wonderful to see old books (I have always fancied myself at being an Antiquarian but I do not have the space or money to be one) and especially ones with a personal touch. I presume you did not inherit the book?
Addendum: I plan on making a website at a later date regarding my Lodington ancestors, so I was going to ask whether it was all right to use the image you uploaded on there? I shall of course reference it back to you as well.
Kind regards,
James R. Yeowell
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Hello!
I have transcribed the Turnastone registers and can tell you that apart from the marriage of Thomas Broade and Ann Loddington, there is no other reference to this couple or to these surnames. They did not have any child baptised here and if Thomas's name had not appeared in the list of Rectors, the marriage would have been a complete mystery.
Turnastone is a very small parish (even today, the population is under 40) and did not produce much in the way of stipend. During his rectorship (which I suspect was largely in absentia), three Curates have been identified - Benjamin Rogers, Edward Williams and Thomas Williams. If Thomas Broade was Rector of Chaldon in Surrey and of Benefield in Northants at the same time, he cannot have been officiating in person in both of those and in Turnastone as the distances were impossible. Clergy were permitted to hold several benefices as it wasn't until the early 19th century (and the continuing rise of non-conformity) that clergymen began to be expected to take thier duties very seriously. Hereford had a bishop at the turn of the 1800s who actually spent most of his time in Winchester (where he had very comfortable rooms in the College) leaving the running of his diocese to a young nephew he favoured. He did come during the summer months ......
Turnastone must have been the first living to which Thomas was appointed - he graduated in March 1720 and was instituted into Turnastone on 16 November the same year by the Patron who at that date was a Robert Price, gent. It may be that Mr Price was of the family of Foxley who had an interest in property in Turnastone and Vowchurch.
You mentioned having found several Broade and Loddington Wills - were they proved in the PCC?