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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: jackh on Monday 03 October 11 17:03 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I have hit a brick wall at my Grandmother Eliza Taylor. Here is what I know.
From her daughter, my Aunt Mary Evelyn Henderson
Eliza Taylor was born about 1874 in Liverpool celebrated her birthday 22nd November. Lived in York until her marriage to John Corner Henderson in 1901 and then lived in Middlesbrough. She had a sister who married but died young and her mother was still alive at the time of her sister’s marriage.
What I have found.
She was in York workhouse in 1881 census aged 7 born Liverpool with whom I presume to be her sister Elizabeth Taylor aged 13 born Liverpool. Subsequent records give her age. 1891 census aged 17, 1901 census aged 26, marriage 8 April 1901 aged 26, 1911 census aged 35 and death 4 July 1949 aged 73.
At her marriage she gave her fathers name as Charles Taylor, Artist, though I wonder if this is fictitious. She had an illegitimate son Fred Scruton Taylor 13 Jun 1899 in York
I have searched the only surviving York Workhouse admission books 1880 and 1881 (unless someone knows of other previous years surviving) in which she did not appear so presumably she entered before 1880. I have sent for the most likely wrong birth certificate, tried matching all Eliza Taylor’s born Liverpool Districts on the GRO with Census records and come up with nothing conclusive.
Of course I am looking for her parents and any suggestions or help would be greatly appreciated, thanks in anticipation
jackh
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Her sister name and age please if you have them,
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Hi Radcliff,
I did say I presumed her sister to be Elizabeth Taylor aged 13 in the 1881 census at York, so about 1868. Unfortunately at 101 years old my Aunt was too frail to question extensively
jackh
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Looking for her sister Elizabeth in 1871, theres a possible 4yr old Elizabeth Taylor with father Charles, a Brassfounder though not an artist, in Everton, Liverpool, Lancs (with mother Elizabeth, son Charles 2 and a couple of boarders. Will see if I can find them in 1881 to rule them in or out....
Regards
Cat
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No cant be them, that family is on the other censuses, back to the search :-\
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Hi Cat,
I should say that I am quite experienced in family history and that I have done a lot of census searches for possibilities although it is all too possible that I missed something.
jackh
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Well Jack its down to baptisms and Christenings hopefully and possible removal orders ,if she was in Liverpool how did she come to be in York,I found my grandfathers removal from his home town in workhouse records,not Liverpool,maybe this may be an option ,if you can visit Liverpool.
so both girls are Eliza /Elizabeth
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St Mary Hale ,1874 un named Taylor, child of Ann Taylor single woman
abode Speke,
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Hi Radcliff,
Yes Eliza and Elizabeth, I have come across that in several other records and makes me wonder if their mother had a similar name or that the workhouse changed Eliza's name for convenience.
I have of course searched baptisms on-line from all the sources I can think of but eliminated all of them. If I came to Liverpool and searched every church register how do I recognize her from other Eliza Taylor's not knowing her parents names.
The removal records is a good idea, if they were removed to York Workhouse I would have thought they would be removed from a Parish within the York Union catchment area, I shall enquire although it was an extensive area. I had pinned all my hopes on the admission books and was extremely disappointed at how few records for York Workhouse survived, other workhouses I have seen had a lot and were very informative
Thanks, jackh
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St Mary Hale ,1874 un named Taylor, child of Ann Taylor single woman
abode Speke,
Un named usually means they died but it's worth seaching for an Ann who was in York district 1881
jack
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Un named usually means they died but it's worth seaching for an Ann who was in York district 1881
jack
Or perhaps in 1871:
RG10/3854/66/5
Speke, St Mary Hale
William and Margaret Taylor + family including Ann Taylor, 16, b Liverpool
In 1861 Ann's slightly older brothers are down as being born in Speke, although she is still down as Liverpool. Her age makes it unlikely that she had a daughter in c1868.
There is an Ann Taylor, 26 b Liverpool, working as a servant in Liverpool in 1881 (RG11/3611) but no evidence that it is the same one.
Richard
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Isn't there anything other than father's name available from the 1901 marriage? and what birth places are given in the censuses?
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I think Richard has the right Ann Taylor so its a dead end.
The only other relevant information in marriages were witnesses and they were her husband's family
Eliza was always born Liverpool in censuses except 1911 when she was born York but that was when her husband filled in the form, he met her in York where his sister had moved to from Middlesbrough.
Jack
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Jack ,
look up this couple,
St Michael in the Hamlet of Aigburth,
6th of November 1864
Charles Taylor,aged 22 ,bachelor of Pleasent Hill street,(painter,)
Catherine Ettles age 21 ,spinster of Pleasent Hill Street,
Grooms father ,William Taylor ,painter,
brides father,William Ettles mariner,
witness to the marriage ,Robert Williams and Marian Wright,#
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Elizabeth Mary Taylor daughter of Charles and Catherine,
March 13 th 1868,
father is a labourer,
abode Hopwood Street Liverpool,
St Martins in the Field Liverpool,
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Hi Radcliff
From Ancestry Liverpool records Charles and Catherine do not seem to have an Eliza baptised and it's possible that Catherine was buried 1877. I can't find them after the 1871 census so they are still a possibility.
Jack