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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: grandpezza on Monday 03 October 11 09:24 BST (UK)
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Hi
I am the researcher behind the requests from Magheragall - he was helping me and I don't want to give him thinds to do that I should do myself - so thanks to those who responded - cou;d you kindly now respond to me - please .
Last request was for any records on William Mayes b sept 1862 d 1942 chatswood - I know his eldest daughter Jane (or variation) was born in Sydney in 1892 - mother Elizabeth who he probably had not wed as already married back in Ireland (first wife mentally unstable)
However two of his daughters returned to Australia and wed
Elizabeth b married Russell Walters - I met her in Centennial year in a retirement home
Kathleen b Married Roland Hill
Can anyone help with more detail on these rellys ?
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Can't seem to find Elizabeth.
Kathleen M Mayes m. Roland F Hill 1935 Woollahra
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Welcome aboard.
Please can you tell us where Wm was born in 1862 please?
Tks
Tinam
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No find births Sydney for a female birth 1892.
Tinam
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Welcome aboard.
Please can you tell us where Wm was born in 1862 please?
Tks
Tinam
Hi William Mayes born Stoneyford- Co Antrim N Ireland 28th Sept 1862 It is recorded differently in USA census 1900 and in several other Irish Censuses- why I don't know ! - Possibly to cover thast he had eloped with the " Nanny"
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Hi grandpezza :)
Welcome to rootschat :)
From previous thread....to save any duplicate searching.
William Mayes born Sept 1862 but may be recorded five years either side – he visited Australia with Elizabeth his wife around 1892 when their daughter Jane was born in Sydney
No birth registered in NSW for a Jane with parents Wm and Elizabeth.
Not having any luck with passenger information.
I can't locate Wm with wife Elizabeth and son Wm G. born c1894 on the 1910 USA census.
Australian Electoral Roll
1930
MAYES William 60 Alpha Road, Chatswood Buyer
MAYES William Greeley 60 Alpha Road, Chatswood Storekeeper
1936
MAYES William 65 Mowbray Road, Chatswood Buyer
MAYES William Greeley 65 Mowbray Road, Chatswood Storekeeper
1949
MAYES Caroline Lucy 55 Durham Street, Hurstville Nurse
MAYES William Greeley 55 Durham Street, Hurstville Public Servant
Death notice for William MAYES in 1942 - died at his daughter's residence aged 80 years.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0fal/
16979/1942
MAYES William
Father John Mother not known
District Chatswood
http://www.ryersonindex.org/
MAYES Caroline Lucy
Death 6 Apr 2001
Late of Hurstville published in the Sydney Morning Herald 9 Apr 2001
Will have another look at this later.
Cheers
Cando
There is no ELizabeth MAYES/Russell WALTERS on the NSW marriage index.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingOrder.cgi/search?event=births
Perhaps you can identify her death notice on this index
http://www.ryersonindex.org/
Cando
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Hi grandpezza :)
Welcome to rootschat :)
From previous thread....to save any duplicate searching.
William Mayes born Sept 1862 but may be recorded five years either side – he visited Australia with Elizabeth his wife around 1892 when their daughter Jane was born in Sydney
No birth registered in NSW for a Jane with parents Wm and Elizabeth.
Not having any luck with passenger information.
I can't locate Wm with wife Elizabeth and son Wm G. born c1894 on the 1910 USA census.
Australian Electoral Roll
1930
MAYES William 60 Alpha Road, Chatswood Buyer
MAYES William Greeley 60 Alpha Road, Chatswood Storekeeper
1936
MAYES William 65 Mowbray Road, Chatswood Buyer
MAYES William Greeley 65 Mowbray Road, Chatswood Storekeeper
1949
MAYES Caroline Lucy 55 Durham Street, Hurstville Nurse
MAYES William Greeley 55 Durham Street, Hurstville Public Servant
Death notice for William MAYES in 1942 - died at his daughter's residence aged 80 years.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0fal/
16979/1942
MAYES William
Father John Mother not known
District Chatswood
http://www.ryersonindex.org/
MAYES Caroline Lucy
Death 6 Apr 2001
Late of Hurstville published in the Sydney Morning Herald 9 Apr 2001
Will have another look at this later.
Cheers
Cando
There is no ELizabeth MAYES/Russell WALTERS on the NSW marriage index.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingOrder.cgi/search?event=births
Perhaps you can identify her death notice on this index
http://www.ryersonindex.org/
Cando
[quoliam Mayeste author=grandpezza link=topic=558655.msg4113442#msg4113442 date=1317642251]
Welcome aboard.
Please can you tell us where Wm was born in 1862 please?
Tks
Tinam
Hi William Mayes born Stoneyford- Co Antrim N Ireland 28th Sept 1862 It is recorded differently in USA census 1900 and in several other Irish Censuses- why I don't know ! - Possibly to cover thast he had eloped with the " Nanny"
The Mayes family were recorded as Mays in the 1900 US census
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Where and when in Australia did you visit Elizabeth WALTERS?
Is is possible Elizabeth married in another country?
Cando
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Purely by chance, happened to notice this birth:
Kathleen M MAZE
Father: William A A MAZE
birth: 1905 Glebe, New South Wales
Could this be birth of Kathleen M who married Roland F Hill in 1935?
And a random thought Re: Elizabeth Mayes
Could Elizabeth Mayes have been married in another state or, possibly been married prior to marriage to Russell Walters?
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Purely by chance, happened to notice this birth:
Kathleen M MAZE
Father: William A A MAZE
birth: 1905 Glebe, New South Wales
William A A MAZE married Catherine W BUCKLE in 1904 & they have children registered under the name MAZE from 1905 onwards.
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Hi All thanks for your help - hope I can return the favour sometine
Elizabeth " Bird" Walters was in a private retirement home near Sydney when I saw her - neither my wife or I can remember the address but will eventually get it from a UK relly .
Kathleen was defo born 1908 in Ireland - She married Roland Hill and we know they had a family pretty large from rumours
Elizabeth Mayes wife of William was born in Melbourne (surname unknown ) of Dutch descent we think . She came back to give birth to her eldest child Jane believed as in Sydney but I suppose could be Melb ?
Lastly in 2001 a lady called suzanne posted a request for news on her great aunty Caroline Cassin who married William Greeley Mayes - If she is reading this please contact as I can fill in the detail
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Elizabeth " Bird" Walters was in a private retirement home near Sydney when I saw her - neither my wife or I can remember the address but will eventually get it from a UK relly .
Elizabeth died in 1985:
WALTERS Byrd Elizabeth d. 31 JUL 1985 late of Ryde
Death notice in Sydney Morning Herald 02 AUG 1985
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:) Thanks very much- I assume from the content that she had no kids of her own ?
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Just looked up the obituary for you:
WALTERS, Bryd Elizabeth - July 31 1985, late of Ryde, loved sister of Jane, Gertrude (Ireland) and Kathleen, beloved aunt of their familes.
No mention of children or a deceased husband :(
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Husband died 04/06/1975 unable to view notice in SMH perhaps you have better luck !
Thanks
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Her name appears as Byrd Elizabeth in all records I can see.
Byrd Elizabeth Walters appears to be living in QLD 1963-1968 perhaps even earlier, then in NSW 1977-1985.
Are you sure that 1975 death of Russell James Walters is the correct one?
The obit you requested shows that it's not her husband.
Looking at QLD records she is married to Russell Hepburn Walters.
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Russell Hepburn WALTERS was her husband, here is the notice regards his Will & estate granted to Byrd Elizabeth Walters:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1301&dat=19650617&id=WpAyAAAAIBAJ&sjid=l-YDAAAAIBAJ&pg=7466,4966879
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Russell served in WWI:
http://www.aif.adfa.edu.au:8080/showPerson?pid=312891
You will find his file at the NAA:
http://naa.gov.au/collection/using/search/index.aspx
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Thanks Merlin
I suppose it makes sense but I thought all the Mayes girls renained in NSW ! If Russell was a Fruit salesman then his life in Qld is logical ? Presume if the notice you limked is correct then his wife Byrd has "gone walkabout" back to Sydney - he is not mentioned as you say in her Obit - and certainly no reference passed back to the UK
Perhaps I will hear more when I get to communicate with the descendants of her sister Kathleen Hill ...
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The death registration in Qld extend to 1964 and it would appear that Russell may have died between 1964 and 1968.
Australian Electoral Roll
Qld 1963
WALTERS Byrd Elizabeth 160 Ferny Ave Surfers Paradise HD
WALTERS Russell Hepburn 160 Ferny Ave Surfers Paradise No occupation
Qld 1968
WALTERS Byrd Elizabeth 108 Duringin Avenue Currumbin Beach HD
NSW 1977, 1980
WALTERS Byrd Elizabeth 1/6 Price Street, Ryde
Cando
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Have just lost an informative post re Russell Hepburn WALTERS >:(
Late for me now but briefly he was married in SA to a Sylvia Newton THIELE with whom he was on the electoral rolls to 1954 and then on the rolls in 1958 in NSW with Byra [sic] Elizabeth. He was an 'investor'. Bankrupt in 1927.
I can't find a marriage in NSW. Perhaps they married in Qld and online records are not available for that period ie between 1954 and 1958.
I will type it up tomorrow.
Cando
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Russell died before Jun 1965. Ad re probate grant.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0fdr/
Cando
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Thanks - Help much appreciated - Sleep Well !
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Birth
31854/1894
WALTERS Russell H
Father Moses N Mother Mary J
District St Peters
WALTERS Russell Hepburn 25 Years Status single Father Moses Nathaniel WALTERS
THIELE Sylva Newton 28 years Status single Father Max Herman THIELE
18 Oct 1919
At St Johns Church Adelaide Ade 281/244
Australian Electoral Roll
NSW 1930
WALTERS Russell Hepburn 88 Blanche Street, Ashfield Investor
WALTERS Sylva Newton 88 Blanche Street, Ashfield HD
NSW 1933
WALTERS Russell Hepburn Warrangui Street, Turramurra Investor
WALTERS Sylva Newton Warrangui Street, Turramurra HD
1936
WALTERS Russell Hepburn 46 Hastings Road, Turramurra Independent means
WALTERS Sylva Newton 46 Hastings Road, Turramurra HD
1943, 1949, 1954
WALTERS Russell Hepburn 18 Milne Crescent, Wollstonecraft Agent
WALTERS Sylva Newton 18 Milne Crescent, Wollstonecraft HD
1958
WALTERS Sylva Newton, 18 Milne Crescent, Wollstonecraft HD
1958
WALTERS Russell Hepburn 23 Little Lake Crescent, Warilla Investor
WALTERS Byra[sic] Elizabeth 23 Little Lake Crescent, Warilla HD
Byrd's 1st marriage - NSW
7926/1929
BISSELL Herbert H
MAYES Boyd [sic] E
District Chatswood
and could be her husband's 2nd marriage
21338/1946
BISSELL Herbert Hollingworth
LOCKLEY Phyllis Audrey
District North Sydney
and death
10863/1955
BISSELL Herbert Hollingworth
Father Wm Morgan Mother Helen
District Newtown
Death notice on Ryerson Index.
Australian Electoral Roll
1930, 1933
BISSELL Hebert Hollingworth 1 Canberra Avenue, Chatswood Clerk
BISSELL Byrd Elizabeth 1 Canberra Avenue, Chatswood HD
1937, 1943
BISSELL Herbert Hollingworth 435 Penshurst Street, Roseville Clerk
BISSELL Byrd Elizabeth 435 Penshurst Street, Roseville HD
1949
BISSELL Byrd Elizabeth 435 Penshurst Street, Roseville HD
1949
BISSELL Herbert Hollingworth 6 Wycombe Road, Neutral Bay Clerk
BISSELL Phyllis Audrey 6 Wycombe Road, Neutral Bay Stenographer
1954
BISSELL Herbert Hollingsworth Great Western Highway, Blaxland Clerk
BISSELL Phyllis Audrey Great Western Highway, Blaxland HD
Cheers
Cando
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Birth NSW
10341/1897
BISSELL Herbert H
Father Wm M Mother Helen
District Bathurst
There are three files for Herbert, including a digitised WW1 file on
http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/using/search/
WW2 service summary
http://www.ww2roll.gov.au/script/veteran.asp?ServiceID=A&VeteranID=220869
This is possibly their divorce
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0fec/
Mrs Herbert BISSELL and her thoughts on difficult daughters ::)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0feb/
Cando
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Hi
Can we return to core Mayes Family - can't find death of Kathleen M Hill nee Mayes also am new to Ryerson Index but can't find several death announcements - I go to the correct date for SMH annd find either there is no paper for that day or that the right day does not include the stated announcement - Help please - that goes for several that you have mentioned in connection with Byrd - Bissell , Walters etc
Next what happened to Mr Hugh Thompson & his wife Mary who travelled with Jeanie Oliver Mayes who entered on the Afric in 1913 ?
Need suggestions on how toidentify the next generation down ?
Cheers
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I am puzzled why you can't find your people on the index? If I have mentioned their names are on the index there will be a death or funeral notice. The archived Sydney Morning Herald is only available for searching for the years 1956-1989.
http://ryersonindex.net/search.php
You can request a lookup of a notice from the website if you are having difficulty locating a particular copy of SMH.
Next what happened to Mr Hugh Thompson & his wife Mary who travelled with Jeanie Oliver Mayes who entered on the Afric in 1913 ?
Link to previous thread re Jeanie Oliver MAYES
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,558006.0.html
Do you have their parents' names please. Difficult to identify in the death indexes. You can search here.
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/cgi-bin/Index/IndexingOrder.cgi/search?event=births
Need suggestions on how toidentify the next generation down ?
To whom are you referring as to date we have helped with a number of the MAYES family. Death certificates in NSW name the issue of a marriage ie if known to the informant.
We are all volunteers on the forum and I for one consider it is a two way participation ie between the person requesting information and those who choose to assist because they enjoying helping others find their family in Aus. I am sure you will understand we appreciate some sort of feedback or appreciation taken for the time to research and type up the information. Please accept my comment in the spirit in which it is written. :)
To date I have found no electoral roll listings or deaths for Kathleen M or her husband Roland F HILL...and I have spent quite some time researching. Do you have either of their second given names please?
Cheers :)
Cando
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..... Lastly in 2001 a lady called suzanne posted a request for news on her great aunty Caroline Cassin who married William Greeley Mayes - If she is reading this please contact as I can fill in the detail
Hi there,
May I ask if you know that these people are no longer living.
I can see on the Ryerson Index that the SMH notices for 9 April 2001 include one for a Caroline Lucy MAYES d o d 6 April 2001. She was late of Hurstville.
The Ryerson Index is compiled by volunteers. Not all funerals/deaths are noted in newspapers, sometimes families direct funeral directors to NOT insert notices.
EDIT TO ADD These notices are placed in the Classifieds (Advertisements), and there are fees/charges for the Classifieds.
Cheers, JM
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On the "Request a lookup" link on Ryerson Index there is now a link to google news archives which they recommend that you try first.
On the Google News Archive, not all editions have been digitised. Very often those that are available are missing the last page. However, sometimes (but not always) if you look at the next edition, you will find to the left of the first page, an image of the last page of previous issue (containing the deaths).
regards,
Ros
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Hi
Can we return to core Mayes Family - can't find death of Kathleen M Hill nee Mayes also am new to Ryerson Index but can't find several death announcements - I go to the correct date for SMH annd find either there is no paper for that day or that the right day does not include the stated announcement - Help please - that goes for several that you have mentioned in connection with Byrd - Bissell , Walters etc
Next what happened to Mr Hugh Thompson & his wife Mary who travelled with Jeanie Oliver Mayes who entered on the Afric in 1913 ?
Need suggestions on how toidentify the next generation down ?
Cheers
Hi there,
Page 24 of the SMH for Thurs 22 Feb 1968 TWO notices.
MAYES, Jeanie Oliver,. February 20, 1968, at hospital, late of 150 Queens Street, Concord West dearly beloved wife of the late Thomas Graham Mayes and loved mother of Albert (deceased), Molly (deceased), [eight further names, female, male, male, male, male, female, female, female, JM declines to post these names as they may still be living,] fond mother in law, loved grandmother and great-grand-mother of their families, aged 85 years.
MAYES. The Relatives and Friends of the late Mrs Jeanie Oliver Mayes of Concord West are kindly invited to attend her Funeral to leave St Andrew’s Church of England, Concord Road, Strathfield,. This Day, Thursday, after service commencing at 1:30 pm for the Rookwood Crematorium.
Metropolitan Burial and Cremation Society, Railway Pde, Burwood.
The Sydney Morning Herald offers an archive service for the newspaper,
1955-1990 ... gives digitial reproduction of the paper from 1955-1990.
1990-Present gives text options.
There are fees involved, I think it is around $15 for a one day subscription and $20 for two days.
http://www.smh.com.au/fairfaxarchives/
NSW residents with Reader Cards from NSW State Library currently have (without charges) access via their Reader Card to the SMH archives to 1955-1990.
Cheers, JM
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Electoral rolls show Rowland Francis HILL and Kathleen Muriel HILL at 40 Nelson Street, Parramatta from 1936-1968. Prior to that Roland (sic) Francis HILL is listed alone at Waverley and Bondi. He was an engineer on all listings. Kathleen Muriel is still at the same address in 1980. Electoral rolls for that district are not included on Ancestry for 1972 and 1977.
It is perhaps Rowland's death registered in 1980 in NSW.
There were two others with this name (RFH), one in Queensland, a farmer, and a tailor in Tasmania.
Debra :)
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And (thanks to this thread which has opened doors/windows to the Ryerson index for me) perhaps the 1996 listing in this index is the one for Kathleen Muriel Hill
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SMH 7 June 1980, page 128
HILL, Roland Francis, June 5 1980 at hospital, beloved husband of Kathleen and dearly loved father and father in law of (female & male; Male and female; female and male) and loved grandfather of their children
SMH 7 June 1980, page 128
HILL The funeral service for the late Roland Francis Hill will be held in the east chapel of the Northern Suburbs Crematorium, on Monday June 9, 1980, appointed to commence at 10 am. Please assemble at the crematorium.
(funeral directors) Gregory & Carr,(of) Gordon.
Cheers, JM
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This is for all the kind people who have helped me - obviously I have used a tone that has been misread - certainly not intended ! So big apologies ..
I have followed your advice to use Ryerson index and I have found the references which say published on a certain day I have then used the Google lookup to try and view the printed entry . All I am saying is that even when there is a publishing entry sometimes I have been unable to view the entry ,either no paper available or when examined I have not been able to view the entry - I put this down to my lack of skill - not a reflection on someone's hard work for which I am most grateful, and I would do the same over here if requested. :)
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On the "Request a lookup" link on Ryerson Index there is now a link to google news archives which they recommend that you try first.
On the Google News Archive, not all editions have been digitised. Very often those that are available are missing the last page. However, sometimes (but not always) if you look at the next edition, you will find to the left of the first page, an image of the last page of previous issue (containing the deaths).
regards,
Ros
I came across the request for news on Wm Greeley Mayes via google -it was submitted 10 years ago so I have commented that if the person enquiring should contact me I can share as much as I know . 10 years is a long time and so I have no idea if the email address is still valid or if the person enquiring is still around - I hope so
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Hi there,
Apologies for the long post, which is a brief sketch of how I currently think about family history searchings to help people seeking info about Australia's way of operating. Hopefully other RChatters will pick up anything I have got wrong or overlooked.
Importantly, there are no census records available for any of our 20th Century census, so it is very difficult to establish if person A is related to any other person without first obtaining a BDM certificate.
BDM certificates are issued by the relevant state body in which the event was registered, this is because those civil instrumentalities were created in the colonies long before the six colonies were federated at the dawn of the 20th century by an Act of the English Parliament, signed by Queen Victoria.
Each state has a different approach to the release of information on those certificates, and there are closure periods that restrict who may obtain the more current ones. For example in NSW birth certificates for anyone born less than 100 years ago are not open to the general public to purchase. Marriage certs the closure period is 50 years for NSW, and deaths it is 30 years for NSW. Different states have different closure periods. However, many of the states certificates contain a great deal of significant family history information, much richer and deeper than say English certs, more akin to the depth of info in Scottish certs. I realise that English certificates contain much less information and are much more readily available.
To work around those closure periods, I tend to rely on directories, electoral rolls, and newspaper cuttings. Some electoral rolls are uploaded via the commercial websites, but I also have off line resources, including electoral rolls for the decades before WW1, as have many other RChatters who help on the Aussie Board.
Any NSW d.c. should give you not just the person’s d o d, but also the cause of, and the burial/cremation details, including funeral directors. Many funeral director firms have been in existence since federation 1901 or earlier, and their records often include the details for who paid for the funeral, their then address etc. Death certs also show the deceased’s parents names (including nee name and any former names of the mother), the age of the deceased, place of birth, spouse, when married, and the children of the marriage/s and their ages, noting any deceased. Of course any information on a dc is only as reliable as the informant’s own knowledge, but the informant’s details showing relationship if any to the deceased are also found on the dc (my remarks relate specifically to NSW).
On the Australian Resources Board there are links to many different resources available in each of the states/territories of Australia. Here’s the main link : http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,369775.0.html
If any of your elusive people saw military service with any branch of the Australian Defence Forces, then the National Archives of Australia has a grand resource, records that are often already digitised, or can be digitised, these are very often many pages long, containing enlistment papers, physical descriptions, next of kin, and correspondence, some WWII records include photos.
If you are considering purchasing any NSW BDM certificates, I recommend you use any of the official transcription agents, appointed by the NSW BDM Registrar General’s office. These transcriptions contain all the information found on the official real deal certificates, they are much less expensive, and can be sent by email as an attachment (eg pdf). The details about transcription agents is found at RChat’s NSW resources board within the one linked above.
Hope this long post helps to get you RUNNING rather than walking or crawling.
Here’s a link to another very good RChat thread, prepared to help people seeking assistance in their Australian family history. http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,368728.msg2632620.html#msg2632620
Of course, Australia’s various states and territories have their own privacy legislation/rules/guidelines, and so too does RChat, so a simple rule that I try to follow is
Unless I know for certain that a particular person is no longer living, or they would be at least 110 years of age, it is best not to write their name in any post.
Many cheers, JM
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Thanks for this - will try to work within the guidelines ;)
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Hi JM
You have been recommended as being V good on NSW records - so I'm back asking about Wm Mayes b Sept 1862 in Ireland .
I have now been told that he possibly was a founder 1887/owner of the Centennial Food Emporium in Sydney and that he regularly travelled back & forth between NSW & Ireland from 1884 to his death in 1943 possinly not as much after 1923 when his wife in Ireland died. Do realise from stuff you have sent that he lived with his son Wm Greeley Mayes as recorded in census .
Can any of this be supported by records ? Passenger lists- Is there a death notice published in the SMH or similar ?
Any help much appreciated
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I think this is his death notice
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article17798383
regards,
Ros
Adding : it is quite easy (but addictive) for anyone to search through http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/ the
digitised newspapers up to 1955
Sorry Cando you gave this death notice in reply #5 - my mistake
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Sorry all if you have already linked the death notice - I have so much stuff supplied by you good friends that I missed it - When I gave an update to my SIL I could not find it and so requested again - di dum di dumb :)
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SMH 7 June 1980, page 128
HILL, Roland Francis, June 5 1980 at hospital, beloved husband of Kathleen and dearly loved father and father in law of (female & male; Male and female; female and male) and loved grandfather of their children
SMH 7 June 1980, page 128
HILL The funeral service for the late Roland Francis Hill will be held in the east chapel of the Northern Suburbs Crematorium, on Monday June 9, 1980, appointed to commence at 10 am. Please assemble at the crematorium.
(funeral directors) Gregory & Carr,(of) Gordon.
Cheers, JM
I can't seem to view the actual announcement P 128 - can you help? :'(
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Hi,
I don't know if you are still on this site but there is a Mayes Avenue at Kingston Queensland and also Mayes cottage.
Sharon
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Hi
Sorry for the very late reply. Just found this website. Jeannie Oliver Mayes (Snr) is my great grandmother. Her daughter Jeannie Oliver Mayes (married name Giles) was my grandmother. Happy to help with whatever info you need.