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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (West Riding) => Topic started by: Kathc on Monday 05 March 07 00:43 GMT (UK)
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I am hoping that someone in the Bradford area can help me.
I have been looking for the birth details of my husbands Grand parents for months, there names are John Clews and Alice Marther Kitchen, I have ther marriage cert and they where married in Bootle, West Derby, in 1905.
I am assuming that they lived or worked in that area, but I know that they came to live in Middlesbrough, North Yorkshire, and died hear, from the details on the marriage cert his father was called William Clews, and her father Marmaduke Kitchen, with a name like that I thought it would be easy to trace her but no.
I have had a lot of help from different people and we think we have her family but I must get her birth cert to be sure, now a few months ago on the GR site on the hot matches, a lady called Cheryl Adams, was looking for an Alma Victoria Clews, born 1920 in Middlesbrough, and I know that she was the one of there daughters, from my husbands stepsister.
I have been told that Alma and her sister Doris,went to live in Bradford, I was hoping that this Cheryl Adams would be able to give me some information that would help me trace them, but I have try ed and try ed to get in contact with her but think she must be a lapsed member of the GR site, and thought some one mite know of her or the clews family.
There is no harm in trying and I have got everything crossed for a lead.
Thank you in hope Kathc
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Hi Kathc
I Have just embarked on the journey of trying to discover details about my family history, my surname is Clews. I was born in Middlesbrough, my fathers name was Raymond Clews, born April 8th 1931. Your husband is my cousin
For the last few evenings I have been reading your posts. I'm amazed by your efforts putting together the Clews family tree.
I had never met my father and by searching my family tree I have only just known of his death June 1987.
I have always wondered about the origins of the Clews name and like you I want to show to my son his family roots.
I have my fathers birth certificate and I'm ordering his death certificate. I'm confused like you as to the history surrounding his parents John and Alice. I cannot find any definitive evidence as to Johns father Williams history.
I'm following your posts with great interesrt. Well done you for all your efforts!!
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have you looked at
Marmaduke Kitchen 1861 b Driffield Yorks horse driver on 1901 census living in Middlesbrough
RG13 4575/85/40 he has a dau Martha A 13 b Hury Yorks
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Hi Tzza
I got your message, It was the very helpful people on this site that found valuable info on the Clews Family for me.
Thank you Isobelruss, I have a lot of info on Marmaduke.
Tzza I think you have to have three posts, before I can send you a private message. I do know a little about your father, William Knew him as uncle Clarie.
Hope to tell you more when I can.
Kathc
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Hi,,
Welcome to Rootschat Tzza ! :) :)
If you click on this link you can read the reply Kathc posted on the North Yorkshire board regarding this thread :
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,558615.msg4112690.html#msg4112690
Kindest regards,
Pels.
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Hi Kath,
I've posted a link to this thread on the West Yorkshire board where Tzza replied to you. It might also give them a better chance of seeing it.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,218613.msg1140762.html#msg1140762
Fingers crossed !
Pels.
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I have merged the threads otherwise this is going to get very confusing!
Andrea
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Thank You, Pels, and Andrea.
Kathc
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Wow you guys move fast!
Thanks very much for the help and advice.
I cannot open the links, maybe it's off limits to me or i need more posts.
This is all still very new to me!!
Regards
Tzza
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Hi Tzza
Information removed
Kathc
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Hi Kathc
Information re living people removed
I know from Raymond's birth certificate that his parents were John and Alice and they married in Bootle 1905 and Johns father is William that's as far as I have got with the Clews family tree.
I was hoping by following your previous posts I could get up to speed with this.
regards
Tzza
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Hi Kathc
Not sure how much of my reply to your recent post you received.
The answer to your question is yes my mother died recently.
regards
Tzza
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I cannot find any definitive evidence as to Johns father Williams history.
Although the father of John Clews appears on most records as William, I am reasonably sure that he was born as Thomas William and that he discarded Thomas when he was older.
1861
Flavell's Brickyard, Hill, Halesowen, Worcestershire
William Clewes Head M 44 Brickburner Leicestershire Lutterworth
Harriet do Wife M 39 Shropshire Bridgnorth
Hannah do Daur U 18 Brickmaker Shropshire Bridgnorth
John do Son 14 Clay Wheeler Staffordshire Sedgley
Mary Ann do Daur 12 Brick Carrier Staffordshire Sedgley
Sarah do Daur 10 Nurse Girl Staffordshire Sedgley
Thomas William do Son 8 Jobbing Boy Staffordshire Sedgley
Joseph do Son 6 Scholar Staffordshire Sedgley
Sophia do Daur 4 Staffordshire Sedgley
Alice do Daur 3 Staffordshire Sedgley
Albert do Son 11mo Staffordshire Sedgley
RG9/2064/77/29
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1871
Chester Road, Macclesfield, Cheshire
William Clowes Head M 54 Brick Maker Leicestershire Lutterworth
Harriett do Wife M 49 Worcestershire Ombersley
John do Son U 24 Labourer Staffordshire Sedgley
William do Son U 18 Labourer Staffordshire Sedgley
Joseph do Son U 16 Labourer Staffordshire Sedgley
Alice do Daur 13 Scholar Staffordshire Sedgley
Albert do Son 10 Scholar Staffordshire Sedgley
Arthur do Son 9 Scholar Worcestershire Halesowen
RG10/3675/22/3
GF
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1881 Census - The parents (http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/Census/household_record.asp?HOUSEHOLD_CODE=1881BR_3069131&HOUSEHOLD_SUB=1&frompage=99)
1881 Census - William and family (http://www.familysearch.org/eng/search/Census/household_record.asp?HOUSEHOLD_CODE=1881BR_1120099&HOUSEHOLD_SUB=1&frompage=99) showing him with wife, Elizabeth and children, George, Elizabeth and Ellen. John was born in 1881 after the census had been taken.
Unfortunately, the family do not appear together on later census returns but it is possible to tie them together by indirect means.
Wife, Elizabeth died before 1891 and William had remarried to Mary. They appear in 1891 with daughter, Ellen and two other children.
1891
Clarkes Cottages, Lymm, Cheshire
William Clowes Head M 38 Brick Maker Staffs Dudley
Mary do Wife M 25 Staffs Dudley
Ellen do Daur 11 Scholar Sussex
William do Son 8 Scholar York Greenfields
Charles do Son 4 Stafford
RG12/2827/115/13
William’s other children, Elizabeth and John, can be found with relatives in 1891.
GF
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1891
High Street, Rowley Regis, Staffordshire
Samuel Farley Head M 51 Medical Herbalist Worcestershire Halesowen
Hannah do Wife M 48 Worcestershire Halesowen [sic]
Lizzie Clews Niece 18 Scholar Worcestershire Seaton
RG12/2282/26/3
Lizzie is still with Samuel and Hannah in 1901 (RG13/2733/153/2) and Hannah’s birthplace is shown as Bridgnorth, as it is in 1881 when Samuel and Hannah have her sister, Alice Clewes, living with them. Samuel Farley married Hannah Clews in 1864. She was the older sister of (Thomas) William.
GF
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1891
4 Brickfield Huts, Lymm, Cheshire
Thos J Bunker Head M 31 Brick Maker’s Labourer, Watford
Esther do Wife M 33 Kent Erith
William T do Son 18 Waggon Fitter Kent Erith
Anne M do Daur 8 London Highgate Hill
Esther E do Daur 5 London Holloway
Rosanna do Daur 3 Middlesex Tottenham
John Clowes Nephew 10 Scholar Sussex East Grinstead
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7 Brickfield Huts, Lymm, Cheshire
John Clews Head M 42 Brick Maker Staffordshire Sedgley
Clara do Wife M 39 Kent Erith
William do Son 15 Brick Maker Staffordshire Tipton
Mary do Daur 4 Staffordshire Tipton
Clara do Daur 1 Glamorganshire Barry
William Riddell Nephew S 18 Brick Maker Worcestershire Dudley
Arthur Clews Brother S 29 Brick Maker Staffordshire Sedgley
+1 Lodger
RG12/2827/97/33
In 1871 Q4, John Clowes [sic] married Clara Hooker and at the same time, his sister Mary Ann married William Riddell.
In 1881 Q1, Clara’s sister, Esther Hooker, married Thomas James Bunker. John Clews, who is with this couple in 1891, is not strictly their nephew but he is the nephew of John Clews and Clara Hooker.
I am convinced that the various direct and indirect links shown above indicate who John’s parents and grandparents etc were.
See what you think. If you agree, it should be possible for someone to fill in more details for the wider family, if required.
GF