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I am writIng Biography of william Fisher Preshaw (1810- 1866), surgeon who was a n important citizen in developing gold mining town of Castlemaine, Victoria, Australia between 1852 and 1866. Graduate of Royal College of Surgeons, Edinburgh. Married Isabella Ogilvy in Brechin , November 1830. worked as surgeon in that area, possibly Dundee , moved with famiy to channel Isles, Jersey in 1844, to Victoria 1852.
any information very helpful
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welcome to rootschat , Bpoid :)
you should try the freeCEN website for the 1841 census
it seems william was in fettercairn kincardineshire(not dundee)
william preshaw 31 born england surgeon
with 6 children
ev
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thank you for this, bpoid
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i think the 2w old child is john will preshaw born 17th may 1841 fettercairn kincardineshire parents william F preshaw and isobel ogilvy
the 1841 census in scotland was taken in june 1841
ev
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You may have these pics already, but just in case:
http://bygonedaysphotography.blogspot.com/2009/01/archdall-family-of-victoria-australia.html
See:http://thepeerage.com/p33156.htm
Which also gives this lady as:Margaret Mathers Preshaw was born on 10 March 1837 at Fettercain, Kincardineshire, Scotland.1 She married, firstly, Henry Sevier in 1854 at Australia.1 She married, secondly, Henry Thomas Hewan Archdall, son of Thomas Hewan Archdall and Henrietta Sarah Sutton, in 1877 at Victoria, Australia.1
She was the daughter of William Fisher Preshaw and Isabella Will Ogilvy.1 From 1854, her married name became Sevier.1 From 1877, her married name became Archdall.1
etc... You probably have all of this anyway...
See also
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/CHANNEL-ISLANDS/1998-10/0909354098
Maybe you could let us know what info you have, and what you are looking for, as there is quite a lot of results for him on Google.
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thank you for this. I have been searching him through Google as well as archives in Angus and Jersey.
All information is appreciated.
Bpoid
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Probably would help people here if we knew what info you are missing for your book.
PM
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I have detailed information about his public life in Victoria between 1852-1866 through local newspapers, government notices, his son's book"Banking under Difficulties". Know he was born in Plymouth, qualified as Surgeon in Edinburgh in 1829- 19 0r 20years of age, married Brechin, worked in Jersey. But there is little to fill in these years or his religious association with the Catholic Apostolic Church. One has to deduce his interior life from his public activities, why follow gold to Australia. He did write of "building castles in the air".
Bpoid
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Interesting! Mysticism and Materialism combined. Have you searched British Newspapers - Galegroup - its free via lancaster libraries from anywhere in the world. Also, do you know who is parents etc were, or is that not relevant?
PM
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1851 census
William F Preshaw 41 Born England occ Surgeon
Isabella Preshaw 43 Born Scotland
William Preshaw 17
Isabella Preshaw 16
Margaret Preshaw 14
George Preshaw 11
John Preshaw 9
Mary Preshaw 6 born Jersey St Helier
Robert Preshaw 4
Lydia Preshaw 2 born Jersey St Martins
Alexander Preshaw 28 brother occ sailor born Scotland
Emily Brodie 27 governess
Ann Hodges 14 servant
Address Victoria Villa, St Martins, Jersey
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See:
http://members.societe-jersiaise.org/whitsco/jerseycow1.htm
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His parents were William and Margaret (Mathers) Preshaw. He was born in Plymouth in 1810 (Napoleonic period) so I suspect his father had some Navy connection though possibly not in navy. It would be good to know.
Mysticism and materialism is an interesting point and seems to have been present in him. He was very active in community and building it up in Mount Alexander ( general name of goldfields here). His name is frequent in local and Melbourne Press, Victorian Government gazette etc. Yet there is also his preaching, giving away the native Australian girl, the first of her race to be married in the Church of England here, and his continued naming himself as member of the Catholic Apostolic Church. He described himself as a Tory and a radical in social and political causes. Consistently spoke out against The Lieutenant Governor's authority and executive and for self government. he was himself arrested but only briefly held and even spoke in support of the sly grog sellers against the police. Yet he had excellent relations with Captain Bull of the Government authority- though he was i=one of the non authoritarian ones.
Interesting at the time he maintained friendly relations with all the various mixed up clergy including 9in the mid 19th century) the local RC priest, Patrick Smythe , noted from the Eureka rebellion at Ballarat which fairly quickly brought self government and universal male suffrage, except for native Australians
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An early influence on the Catholic Apostolics was a minister who stated redemption was open to all and not particular churches or sects.
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Thank you for the Jersey report. Actually my name is well known in Channel islands although, perhaps oddly, i have never done any family research. I think mon arriere arriere arriere grand pere came to Australia (NSW) from France via Jersey.
i find the report in itself fascinating but the I am that way inclined. Agricultural chymistry sounds just like Preshaw- he was up to same here. I think he also published two small books, one on Human anatomy and one on hydrotherapy.
Bpoid
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See that rootschatters have been busy on this thread:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,374715.0.html
sorting out his descendants, of which there were many.
He was in Brechin in 1831 as a surgeon:
http://www.fdca.org.uk/1831Sassines%20P.pdf
http://www.google.ie/search?tbm=bks&tbo=1&q=%22+preshaw%22%22+brechin&btnG=
(Nice book- lovely old drawings of the area). He is listed as a subscriber.
Louisa Lane's Jersey guide in 1836 gives an address - Union St.
The half-yearly abstract of the medical sciences: : Volumes 3-4 - Page 155
William Harcourt Ranking, Charles Bland Radcliffe, William Dommett Stone - 1846 -
In the case of a boy, aged 1 1 years, reported by Mr. Preshaw,* of Jersey, the hydropathic treatment effected a cure after bleeding, mercury, opiates, and warm baths had failed in arresting the spasms.
books.google.ie
Medical times: Volume 15 - Page 333
Full account of this in his own words in the Lancet:
http://books.google.ie/books?id=MjVPAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA154&dq=num=9&sqi=2&ved=0CGEQ6AEwCA#v=onep
1847 -
[From the Jersey and Guernsey News of Jan. 16.] On Thursday morning, Drs. Preshaw and Clement removed a large tumour from the left arm of a female residing at St. Clement's, by a perfectly painless operation: this being the first time ...
All Full View on Google books.
PM
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great thank you.
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http://www.jersey.syd-fyn.dk/index.php?page=jersey-home&id=887
more agriculture.....
Also a very odd family tree ascribing him to an American ancestor...
http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/p/i/c/Alan-C-Pickard/index.html
might be worth following up...
Your William is an interesting man, ahead of his time..
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Thank you again. You do wander wide in your searchings,
He was an interesting man and very influential in development of the Castlemaine, Mt Alexander region in Victoria.i am starting to get a picture of him before Australia. I continue to ponder on his coming here and the call of gold which he soon surrendered for a return to medical practice. There are parts of a journal in his son George's book "Banking under Difficulties" that goes no further than building castles in the air, "Australia Felix" and the land of gold.
TheAmerican family tree is odd. I have a copy of marriage lines from Brechin of William Preshaw and Margaret Mathers in 1807. Bpoid
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Nice little mention in an ad in:
The Morning Post (London, England), Thursday, May 08, 1845; pg. [1]; :
"Water Cure Establishment, Honeyden, Jersey. This establishment is OPEN for the reception of Ladies and Gentlemen, and is under the direction of an experienced medical practicioner. Apply Dr. Preshaw. surgeon, Jersey."
Also an account in
Caledonian Mercury (Edinburgh, Scotland), Monday, August 6, 1838; Issue 18508.
Where there was a cermony involving him sealing hermetically a bottle containg newspapers, medals etc which was placed under the foundations of a new steeple in the church at Fettercairn - big cermony, and party in village afterwards...very interesting piece, too long to transcribe...wonder if it is still there, and if it was his idea? PM
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What you finf is extraordinary. Any suggestions on retrieving more on Caledonian story.Bpoid
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http://www3.lancashire.gov.uk/corporate/atoz/a_to_z/service.asp?u_id=938&tab=1
Just join, get a barcode, then you can search the British Library on line newspapwers for free. I don't live in the UK but they had no problem letting me join, and they are very helpful.
Takes a couple of days...but be warned, its addictive.
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Thank you. It has been addictive for me with Australian records and also in some philosophy sites.
Bpoid
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his interests were really wide ranging. here is another one:
http://books.google.ie/books?id=mp4HAAAAQAAJ&pg=PR61&dq=%22William+F+preshaw%22&hl=en&ei=qtuMTvzjDMmp8APyxe3RBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CEcQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q&f=false
pm
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Thank you For once I knew of the Tayside book. Bpoid
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Thats all i can find. Good luck with your research.
PM
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Thank you and every one else. Bpoid
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Baptisms on the OPR's but nothing showing on RC records
22/08/1831 PRESHAW DAVID OGILVY son of WILLIAM F. PRESHAW and ISOBEL OGILVY at FETTERCAIRN /KINCARDINE
16/06/1833 PRESHAW WILLIAM FULLERT son of WILLIAM F. PRESHAW and ISOBEL OGILVY at FETTERCAIRN /KINCARDINE
11/01/1835 PRESHAW ISOBEL WILL daughter of WILLIAM F. PRESHAW and ISOBEL OGILVY at FETTERCAIRN /KINCARDINE
10/03/1837 PRESHAW MARGARET MATHER daughter of WILLIAM F. PRESHAW and HELEN OGILVY at FETTERCAIRN /KINCARDINE
25/07/1839 PRESHAW GEORGE OGILVY son of WILLIAM F. PRESHAW and ISOBEL OGILVY at FETTERCAIRN /KINCARDINE
08/08/1840 PRESHAW ----- WILLIAM F.PRESHAW and ISOBEL OGILVY at FETTERCAIRN /KINCARDINE
17/05/1841 PRESHAW JOHN WILL son of WILLIAM F. PRESHAW and ISOBEL OGILVY FETTERCAIRN /KINCARDINE
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Thank you
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Have you viewed his parents marriage record to see if there is info on his father?
30/10/1807 PRESHAW WILLIAM and MARGARET MATHERS at BRECHIN /ANGUS
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Yes thank you