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Looking for the marriage of Daniel NORMAN 21st Mar 1800 in Blunham.
This marriage is an LDS submitted entry so confirmation and any details would be much appreciated.
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Hi Myfi
No marriages that fit but will keep looking
have NORMAN DANIEL on !841 Census married to Elizabeth
both aged 60yrs
on Census Elizabeth Norman aged 20 yrs born 1821
Eliza " " 10 yrs " 1831
Esther " " 7 mths " 1841
1851 Census
Daniel Norman 73 yrs Pauper
elizabeth " 72 yrs "
Esther E E Norman 10yrs grandaughter 1841
!861 Census
Daniel Norman 83 yrs widower
John Manning 34 yrs Son-.in-.law Miller
Elizabeth " 31 yrs Daughter
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Thanks for looking
Yes, those census entries are the right Daniel.
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Hi, from the Blunham with Moggerhanger PR transcript
Marriage 21 Mar 1800 Dan Norman to Eliz Howe
No other information on the entry.
Anything else required ?
Interesting to note - other marriages
2 APR 1802 John Norman to Ann Rowney
31 Jan 1806 John Howe to Jane Rowney
Regards John
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Hello John
Thank you so much for confirming the marriage :)
shame there wasn't any other detail.
Thanks also for the other marriages, think that John Norman could be Dan's brother and John Howe possibly Elizabeth's brother.......talk about keeping it in the family ;D
Could I bother you for a couple more marriage checks and if pos any details -
Susan NORMAN & John SPEECHLEY 29 Mar 1829
Daniel NORMAN & Elizabeth THODY 12 Oct 1774
Myfi
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Bear in mind that the transcript only goes up to 1812, and that witnesses to marriages aren't recorded. You need to check the parish register microfilm for the witnesses.
I've done a lot of work on the Thodys of Beds, but don't seem to have Elizabeth in my tree. Must look for her! The Blunham Thodys seem to have been baptists, which is never a good thing
David
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I have pencilled in Elizabeth THODY as being baptised Cardington 19 Jan 1755 d/o Thomas & Anne
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The 12 Oct 1774 marriage of Dan Norman to Eliz Thody is there, but has no further details
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Thanks John.
Myfi - the Elizabeth baptised on 19 Jan 1755 at Cardington was buried on 22 Jan 1755 at Cardington, so it can't be her who married in 1774. Thomas and Ann also baptised an Elizabeth in 1765, but she too died as an infant.
It's a while since I looked at these Thodys, but I'll work on them over the next couple of days.
There's an Elizabeth Norman age 62 buried at Blunham on 17 Jan 1813, which if the right Elizabeth and if the age is accurate, would put her birth as c1751. Daniel Norman age 88 was buried at Blunham on 27 Dec 1838
As I suspected, Daniel and Elizabeth were baptists - the birth of their son Daniel was recorded in Blunham Baptist Church book in July 1777
Have you come across a Mark Norman of Holme Mills Southill in your research? He was a beneficiary in the 1779 will of Anthony Thody of Langford, whose main beneficiary was his nephew Anthony Thody of Blunham
David
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There is not going to be a cut and dried answer to who Elizabeth Thody was!
This Thody branch arrived in Blunham from Cardington probably in the 1720s, with Richard Thody baptised 24 Feb 1697 at Cardington. His wife was Elizabeth, but I can't find their marriage. Richard was buried at Blunham on 16 Feb 1751 and Elizabeth on 13 Feb 1750. They had three unbaptised sons:
- John who married Mary Peacock in Blunham on 8 May 1750. Their children were not baptised in the established church.
- Richard who married Elizabeth Gray in Blunham on 16 Apr 1759, and who died in 1783
- Anthony, who married in Clophill in 1767 and who subsequently lived in Langford
I doubt if Elizabeth Thody was the daughter of Richard senior as his wife was probably past child bearing age by 1750 when she died.
Which leaves just John and Mary who married in Blunham in 1750. But it comes down to the balance of probabilities in the absence of any baptisms.
It would be interesting to see who the witnesses to Elizabeth's marriage to Daniel Norman were
David
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Hi David
:-[ :-[ oops re Elizabeth Thody of Cardington..... good job I only pencilled her in ;D thanks for that.
I have just started on the Norman family and Elizabeth (wife of Dan snr)Thody was/is the only Thody thus far.
The burial you found for Dan Norman in 1838 age 88 ties in well with the baptism of a Daniel Norman 10 Nov 1751 Gamlingay, Cambs........mmm not baptists......maybe converted after marrying Eliz Thody :-[
Not come across Mark Norman as yet, still early days though.
Myfi
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John - could I be cheeky and ask if you could check to see if there's a marriage on 21 Jul 1782 at Blunham of John Thody and Elizabeth Wells (IGI member submission). Other member submissions put the place as Sandy on 9 Aug 1782 and I wonder if the Blunham entry might be the banns
Thanks
David
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Morning cheeky;
There isn't a Blunham marriage entry, but there is an entry in the Banns dated 21 Jul 1782 of John Thodey to Eliz Wells of Sandy This date is the last of the 3 dates of publication of the Banns - which is usually prior to the actual marriage date.
Note there is a marriage on 28 Jan 1783 of Charles Wells of Sandy to Hannah Tarry by licence.
cheers John (going to be another warm & sunny day here today)
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Thanks very much John, it confirms what I suspected. This John Thody, unbaptised, but known to be the son of John and Mary from the will of his great uncle, is, I believe, brother of Elizabeth Thody who married Daniel Norman. Without the will I don't think I'd have been able to put together these Thodys, as both the Langford and Blunham branches were non-conformists.
Hot here too - well in the 30s. Have to wear a hat! Sally says hello - had a drink with her last night in the Celt. JP is there at the moment watching the Ireland - Italy match, and filling himself up with a large Irish breakfast which they're arranging. Might chuck a few boules this afternoon if it's not too hot.
Have a good one
David
PS Why have you got the Blunham transcript? Didn't know you were connected to that village
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Hi Myfi
I have an Elizabeth Norman who married my 4xg great-uncle, Thomas Musick, in Blunham on 26 Oct 1797. Member submissions (not to be relied on) show her as the daughter of Daniel and Elizabeth, born 1775/6. She was buried on 1 Jul 1804 at Blunham.
So we must be ever-so-distantly connected, if only by marriage!
David
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PS Why have you got the Blunham transcript? Didn't know you were connected to that village
Someone donated a photocopy of it to the Beds FHS & I just did not have room for it in the library, anyway we have the original transcript, so it was duplicate, I gave it a good home.
No, the baptism of Elizabeth Norman c 1775/76 is not recorded.
John
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Hi David
;D ;D yet even more distantly related by marriage ......tree I'm doing is my son in laws... ;D
LDS have put some non-conformist records on line including Blunham. Elizabeth d/o Daniel & Eliz(Thody)Norman is there with just the month July and year 1775.
I have downloaded a copy of the non conformist records from BMD registers for the entry of Daniel Norman jnr. ...
Danil son of Danil Norman & of Elizabeth his wife (whos maiden name was Thody) in the County of Bedford, Labourer. was born this day of July 1777
Registered the 25th day of December 1791 by me Martin Mayler Protestant Dissenting Minister
Myfi
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Hi Myfi
Thanks for reminding me to look at the new LDs site, which I hate so tend to avoid like the plague!
Your daughter obviously made a wise choice in picking a mate with Bedfordshire blood in him.
David