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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: jellyj2010 on Thursday 29 September 11 11:52 BST (UK)
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Hi to all :)
Hopefully I'm doing this right, this is my first post :)
I am researching my Mum's side of the tree, and have hit a real brick wall when it comes to her Father's side. He is listed on his own wedding (to my Grandmother, in 1954) as being named JOHN THOMAS PAYNE and being born in 1934 or 1935, and his address is listed as The New Arcade, Arcade Chambers, Sunderland and his Father is listed as GEORGE PAYNE whose profession was caretaker (I think, the writing is a bit hard to read!)
I have searched all sorts of records and come up with nothing. I don't even know if the Payne's came from Sunderland originally, just that they lived there in 1954.
Any help anyone can offer would be greatly received and appreciated!!
Kelly ;D
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Presumably he is deceased.
But did he have any brothers or sisters (your mum's aunts and uncles) who can help suggest where he came from?
Is your mum still laive -can she remember anything about her Dad?
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There appears to be 2 John T Payne born 1934 mmn Devereux and 1935 mmn Gibbs
Theres a marriage for a Frederick G S Payne to a Marie L Gibbs 1933 Birmingham
Do any of these names mean anything to you
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You beat me to it, Isobel
I was just going to say that if the year of birth is accurate, there are only two possibles in the birth index, one in Birmingham and one in MArylebone.
The Birmingham one appears to have a Dad named Frederick.
I know guessing at conclusions from the indexes isnt fool proof , but as Isobal said do any of these ring any bells?
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Where did they marry.I can only see 2 marriages John T in Chatham Kent and Thomas J in Bournmouth Dorset both 1954
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Sunderland I guess, if that was his address.
I cant see the marriage either!
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The marriage of of a George Payne and Elllen A. Rigden was registered in Sunderland June ¼ 1920. The birth of a John Payne was registered in Sunderland Dec ¼ 1934, mother Rigden. Sunderland Registrar's Index http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=1399, he has been wrongly transcribed as Jean on Ancestry.
Stan
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I didnt look far enough back.
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JOHN THOMAS PAYNE did not marry in Sunderland in 1954
Stan
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Hi to all :)
his address is listed as The New Arcade, Arcade Chambers, Kelly ;D
You can read about the New Arcade at http://www.sunderland-antiquarians.org/7-the-east-end-markets-and-arcade/
Stan
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The marriage of of a George Payne and Elllen A. Rigden was registered in Sunderland June ¼ 1920.
Stan
If this is the correct couple then they had six children, William 1922, Richard 1925, Ralph 1927, Ellen 1928, Ann 1931, and John 1934.
Stan
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Thank you so so so much to everyone who has posted :-)
Thanks to Stan's discovery of John Payne being wrongly transcribed on the birth records, the mystery may be solved!
Also thanks to Isobel for the extra information :-)
I have now found in all likelyhood the parents of John Thomas Payne, and have the information of his mother on the 1911 census, so now I need his father George Payne, who was born in 1989 in Sunderland :-)
Thank you so much for all your help, I am very grateful indeed! :-)
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1)Did we ever confirm about the 1954 marriage that isnt in the indexes?
2) would be best if there was some confirmation that we have the right parents for John before going further. I wonder if siblings give a clue, or if George left a will naming John, with something to confirm it is your 'John'
Or even something confirming that 'your' John was born in Sunderland.
- up to you, but I would be looking for more confirmation at some stage, if possible
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John T Payne was married in 1954 to Ivy D Stevens in Chatham, Kent. I have the certificate, that says his father is George Payne and John's address was Sunderland.
I've found a few people who are researching George Payne on ancestry.co.uk and messaged them to see if their George Payne is the father of my John Pohn Payne, as many of them have living relatives listed which he may be one of, hopefully :-)
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Hi stanmapstone
I've just seen your post about George Payne and Ellen Rigden were my Great Grandparents
They actually had 9 children - the eldest of which is my Grandfather George who was born in 1920 a few month after they married