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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Midlothian => Topic started by: phveens on Thursday 29 September 11 08:32 BST (UK)
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Looking for information about the family of John COCHRANE born circa 1808 Midlothian, Scotland (I think son of Archibald COCHRANE and Margaret). John's wife was named Annie according to census records. I haven't been able to find a marriage but there is one between John COCHRANE and Agnes GRANT in 1827 so am wondering if it could be them.
John and Annie had 8 children:
Archibald born circa 1829
Rob c 1829
John c 1830
Margaret c 1836 (married John Leslie GILMOUR 1854 Edinburgh)
Mary c 1838
Barbara c 1840
Alexander b 1843
Isabella b 1845
Many thanks
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Hi phveens
Agnes and Ann are common variants - see www.whatsinaname.net/php/search.php?action=search2&search_name=agnes
There is a birth entry showing for Archibald on 12 Aug. 1828 Saint Cuthberts, Edinburgh to John and Agnes (Grant).
Monica
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Yes. Thanks. I wonder why there are no other births for the rest of the children. They are all said to have been born in Edinburgh too.
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There are gaps in the registers many a time. Also, it could be that the family moved away from the established Church of Scotland at any time and records may not be available for that. All sorts of reasons really (including the fact it cost the family money to register/christen their children which in many cases was not possible for many families).
Monica
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Ok. Many thanks.
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Hi, I am researching the Cochrane Family for descendants in Australia. I have come against the same as you with John Cochrane and Agnes Grant. Alexander went to Australia with is family. His marriage certificate shows parents as John and Annie Grant. I have 1841 Census showing her as Ann and they live with Archibald and Margaret (Linton I believe) but on the 1851 Census the children are living with the Grandparents and no parents listed so I think they died young but I can find no record of their deaths either. They were a family of Marble masons and Sculptures and said to be realted to the earls of Dundonlad and the Barons Lamingtons but I am struggling to find a connection without the records for Joh and Agnes. if you find anything I would be grateful for your info.
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You have the same and as much as I have I'm afraid though I have to admit I have not looked further in recent months. I'll let you know if I make any progress. I would be interested to know about Alexander's family and when he immigrated please. I am researching this family for my friend who also lives in Australia.
Thanks
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Hi,
I have found a death for John Cochrane 1844 Edinburgh, he died of Inflamation of the Kidneys age 34. This is not uncommon as there would have been dust from the marble they worked with. Annie Grant was born Agnes, this also was common for Agnes to be called Annie, I haven't found a death for her yet. They were married 12/5/1827 North Leith Edinburgh Midlothian Scotland.
I am researching this for a Cochrane that lives in Buxton, Queensland, I wonder if we are researching for people in the same family? Have you uploaded your tree to Ancestry as a public tree? I have a membership at present so I would be able to look and we could compare what we have so far. The amercian Cochrane's went to Ohio and some were Marble cutters there I will send you some details later as there is quite a bit. There is a public tree on Ancestry for Robert Cochrane b 1829 but they have a different wife for John, I contacted them but they said ther's was correct but I'm not so sure. If it is the correct Robert he then went to NZ. The plot thickens!!
More Later
Regards
Terri (not my given name either lol)
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Hi,
Don't know if you already have this info-
The family can be found on the 1841 and 1851 Census on www.freecen.org.uk.
Agnes/Annie Cochrane is not listed with her children on the 1851 Census. They are listed as grandchildren with Margaret Cochrane a widow as being head of the household at Morrisons Close.
Looby :)
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Thanks yes I do have this info. Ann was born Agnes but it was common in Scotland then to use the name Ann or Annie. On Alexander's marriage certificate she calls herself Annie. I believe she died young as did her husband John, he did in 1844 of inflamation to the Kidneys age 34. He was a marble cutter so that would have been a factor. John's Parents are Archibald Cochrane and Margaret Linton. I am struggling to find their birth records and the children's. Apparently it wasn't uncommon for parents not to register the birth's of their children as they had to pay and in large families they couldn't afford it.
Thanks for your message
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Hi again,
Just noticed that you'd already mentioned the info about 1851 Census :-[.
Blame the heatwave and the fact I've one eye on the computer screen and one on Andy Murray at Wimbledon!!
It's possible Annie/Agnes died prior to 1851 Census as I didn't see anyone who appeared to be her when I looked. But it was also common at this time for women to revert to using their maiden when widowed so she could be else where under Grant, although would she leave her small children??
Good luck with your research,
Looby :)
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Thanks for remonding me, I've just come in and I forgot to put the TV on. Heatwave LOL. it's 30 degrees here in Norfolk.
I wouldn't have thought she would have left her children but maybe she met a man and ran off, it's been happening for years lol
She could have got re-married and not been able to have the children. Some of them went to America when they grew up and some went to Australia so maybe she went with them.
cheers
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I really Must pay attention today :D.
You mention that Agnes is recorded as Annie ( as you say, a variant of Agnes ) on Alexander's marriage certificate. When did he marry and is Annie recorded as being deceased at that date?
Looby
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Alexander Cochrane married Margaret Linton on 18/2/1804 and on the marriage certificate she is listed as Annie Cochrane nee Grant (Deceased)
Are you researching the same family as I am? I am doing this for a friend in Australia
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No I'm not researching this family :D
Just trying to help out to take my mind off the tennis LOL!
Looby
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Well Murray has won at last!!!! Yeah!!!! Thanks for your help.
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Phew!! That was stressful.
Sorry but you said Alexander married Margaret Linton ???
Alexander Cochrane married Margaret Linton on 18/2/1804 and on the marriage certificate she is listed as Annie Cochrane nee Grant (Deceased)
Are you researching the same family as I am? I am doing this for a friend in Australia
Don't you mean Archibald Cochrane with the 1804 marriage ???
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Sorry yes. Archibald married Margaret Linton in 1804 and John married Agnes (Annie) Grant 12/5/1827 and on her son Alexander's certificate she is Deceased
Most of them were marble cutters and masons or stone sculptures. there is a piece on the web about 2 brothers that went to Canada and made names for themselves doing sculptures on buildings etc but they only gave one brothers name and no details where they were actually born.
I can concentrate now the tennis is over lol
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I am doing a tree for a descendant of Margaret Cochrane and John Leslie Gilmour. They immigrated to Queensland too ... arriving in 1865. I don't have a tree on ancestry. If you would like to email me at at
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Hi,
I have that family in my Tree and I am doing this for A Cochrane descendent in Australia so they must be related somehow. I think that Archibald and Margaret Cochrane's parents are William and Margaret Rea. I don't have a certificate for proof but the dates fit and names of children fit. I will try and make a file od what Ihave so far and email it to you and we can maybe help each other fill in some gaps.
I will try to do it tomorrow.