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I hope that tonights episode will be an interesting one.
Have enjoyed the series so far - some better than others. :)
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I'll be interested to see what the Canadian bits are about ...
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loved the Alan Carr one!
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We loved this episode,just wish it had been twice the time to follow all his other lines! And where they came from.
The winter scene made you understand the conditions those first settlers had to contend with.
Spring
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I enjoyed this
The sudden jumps of two or more generations rather jarred, an unfortunately I dropped of for a little bit of the part about the battle aka slaughter.
I would've liked a more continuous tracing back
I though when he said - I have already got so far back - well someone has done the work already
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Didn't like the changing lines to keep on the Canadian/American trail.
Seemed a bit "made for TV" to me.
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Thoroughly enjoyed this one. The Canadian winter scenery showed me what my Canadian ancestors must have been through.
I thought the meeting with the native American descendent was well done, and its true what they said; we can't be responsible or feel guilty about what happened to our ancestors.
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I liked it and thought there was some interesting stuff in it - but because they wanted to get back to the settler stories it meant they rushed past a few generations.
Obviously the programme is only one hour long so they couldn't put the early generations in- but that meant it did feel a little bit like name and date collecting - "how far back can we go" at times... rather than looking at what each generation did on the way. And it also meant that many of the wives were ignored.
But when they got back to the early stories it was clear why they had to do this..
I thought he was good - and loved the way he was taking notes in his book and really seemed to be interested in the process..
Milly
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I was shocked at the US archives people not wearing gloves when handling documents from the 1630's ! :o
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nothing much to do with the program, but for a brief moment half way through i wondered why on earth he had odd gloves on!? (one cream coloured and one black) then i relised it is so cold that he had two on one hand and only one on the other having removed the second one for some reason!
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wasnt too keen on this one today. more history lesson than geneology i thought. i know the two come hand in hand but still for me it wasnt the best one so far this series.
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I was shocked at the US archives people not wearing gloves when handling documents from the 1630's ! :o
Apparently there are two schools of thought about this. The clumsiness of the gloves in turning pages can also cause damage. I saw another historical programme - I think about the royal palaces in UK - where they weren't being used.
I did enjoy the programme, one of the best I thought, but yes, it could have done with being longer as it was rushed. But I felt it was worth doing what they did.
I found a William Beamsley born in England - doesn't say where - in 1616, and he married Anne. There aren't many.
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Sorry this episolde just didn't do it for me - rather a sprint through Richard's tree and changing lines to get back as far as possible. Very jarring.
Who's next week :-\ ?
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Thought this more interesting that the last couple. Although we skipped through it all quite quickly, I was sitting almost shivering watching him walking through all the snow, the pace seemed to suit the outdoor scenes.
I live a couple of miles from where John Winthrop lived, so found that connection of interest too. His story is well known in these parts ;)
Agree with you Lydart I was shocked at the US archives people not wearing gloves when handling documents from the 1630's
Pat ...
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Was quite excited about the Nova Scotia/New England aspect but the actual episode was disappointing to me. Have very fond memories of Bridgetown where my grandmother's aunt and her family lived but all we saw there was a snowstorm and someone's house. Halifax (PANS) then dashing to Boston, Rhode Island and back to Boston...
Anyone bother to count how many times Richard said great-great-great....
The mention of Governor Winthrop was interesting (I love Anya Seton's book The Winthrop Woman).
Wasn't terribly surprised at lack of gloves while looking through the archives in Boston- have never seen them offered/used anywhere in New England when I've been looking at documents from the 1600s.bnee
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I've just been on the British Library website to see what they say about looking at their collections. They have a video showing someone turning pages wearing gloves and it is quite clumsy. The gloves also pick up dirt which transfers to other pages. They prefer frequent handwashing to gloves. Worth knowing.
http://www.bl.uk/aboutus/stratpolprog/ccare/introduction/preservation/usingcollections/whitegloves.pdf
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Not too sure about this one :-\
He was very good at the commenting.
I would have prefered less time with experts reading old records and more on the connections between the generations.
I wonder if he has found William Beansleys origins in England?
Kooky
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Not too sure about this one :-\
He was very good at the commenting.
I would have prefered less time with experts reading old records and more on the connections between the generations.
I wonder if he has found William Beansleys origins in England?
Kooky
William Beamsley is all over the internet (as are other ancestors of Richard Madeley mentioned in the programme). Apparently they can't pin him done with exactitude but believe he probably came from Lincoln where Beamsley is a local surname. I wikipedied and googled the Hicks and Beamsley families during the programme and found there is loads of information.
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I liked the way he remained in the female line as long as it stayed in Canada. So many people start with their male line and never go anywhere else.
I've taken my female line to the 1780s ... Essex all the way!!! ;D
Paul
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Who's next week :-\ ?
According to the BBC WDYTYA? website it is Len Goodman.
Nanny Jan
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nothing much to do with the program, but for a brief moment half way through i wondered why on earth he had odd gloves on!? (one cream coloured and one black) then i relised it is so cold that he had two on one hand and only one on the other having removed the second one for some reason!
Indeed, I wondered if he'd got his gloves mixed up ;D
But I thought it was an interesting episode, and made sense to see how far he could go back to the earliest settlers of the US eastern seaboard.
None on the Mayflower though ::)
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Anyone bother to count how many times Richard said great-great-great....
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this! They could've fitted more programme in if he'd stopped doing that!
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I enjoyed this programme.
I am not a great fan of his, although he is good at presenting programmes.
I liked seeing all the snow. I flew over Canada in Oct.some years ago, and wondered what they all did with the snow all about. Not a lot by the looks of things.
Historical content was very interesting.
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I thought this was going to be a boring one, but it wasn't at all. I was especially interested because one branch of my family from Somerset were traders in the Virginia area in around 1660. Loved the snow ! :)
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I was shocked at the US archives people not wearing gloves when handling documents from the 1630's ! :o
It looked to me that the petition had a clear plastic sheet over it.
It was slightly puzzling, having somehow got back to John HICKS, why he then went to someone to find out about Thomas HICKS son of John HICKS.
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It was slightly puzzling, having somehow got back to John HICKS, why he then went to someone to find out about Thomas HICKS son of John HICKS.
I think it was so they could trace the wife of Thomas Hicks
However it was not too clear
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I fell asleep and missed about the last third..............
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I was shocked at the US archives people not wearing gloves when handling documents from the 1630's ! :o
Apparently there are two schools of thought about this. The clumsiness of the gloves in turning pages can also cause damage. I saw another historical programme - I think about the royal palaces in UK - where they weren't being used.
I went to a talk about conservation at an NT property a few weeks ago, and they strongly advised against gloves as the lint can shed, which in itself causes damage, apparently.
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I found the programme a bit computerized in that they seem to be contacting people who are already on the internet with the information rather than doing their own research. So a bit boring again but ... I was interested about the midwife and the petition. My hunches again ... There something more to it than was said, I'm sure ...
Maybe it wasn't relevant to Richard Madeley's family tale but I did wonder whether they would talk about some of the men going with Indian women ... and there being babies as well.
I just feel that the women were in a very precarious position on both settler and Indian sides ... And this midwife role is something much more ... Or maybe it's just shades of "The Crucible" and such like hanging over me - it's always about women ... Interesting that the genealogist/historian Diane Rapaport involved at that stage is also a former lawyer ...
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I enjoyed this program but I too fell asleep as they approached the subject of the slaughter and had to replay it. Have the BBC unwittingly found a cure for insomnia?
Biblically the sins of the fathers are visited down to the 4th generation I believe - so there may have been more to Richard's emphasis on the number of greats!
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wasnt too keen on this one today. more history lesson than geneology i thought. i know the two come hand in hand but still for me it wasnt the best one so far this series.
Totally agree. And I think I dropped off about the same time as stonechat!
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My husband always falls aslep in WDYTYA. He says it's the voice-over that is soporific.
I found this episode very interesting and the meeting with the native American was very moving, and well handled by Richard, who must have felt his hostility and diverted it in a way which was very sympathetic.
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I wonder if he has found William Beansleys origins in England?
William Beamsley is all over the internet (as are other ancestors of Richard Madeley mentioned in the programme). Apparently they can't pin him done with exactitude but believe he probably came from Lincoln where Beamsley is a local surname. I wikipedied and googled the Hicks and Beamsley families during the programme and found there is loads of information.
On Genes Reuniteds facebook page they are promoting links to people's trees who have William Beamsley in them. They all say he was from [Boston,]Suffolk.
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Boston Lincolnshire?
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I found this a very interesting episode too. I liked following the female lines, often ignored in the programmes.
I thought it was a good corrective to the idea that many people have, that the early settlers in America came to an empty land. The American Indian gentleman was very impressive.
Richard came across well too. I've always rather disliked him, but might have to revise my opinion!
Anne
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they seemed to skip some information but they can only fit so much into an hour so i will let them off ;D i heard Richard on the radio this morning talking about the show.
also Sarah Chute i was saying its pronounce shoot as in rubbish chute but they kept saying it as chewt.
i must agree with the native american it was a massacre of his people if that happened today there would be uproar if the native Americans tried to storm that place and take their land back. have you seen the Addams family values where they children are sent to camp and they are doing a play for thanksgiving play
'Wednesday: Wait!
Amanda: What?
Wednesday: We cannot break bread with you.
Amanda: Huh? Becky, what's going on?
Becky: [whispered] Wednesday!
Wednesday: You have taken the land which is rightfully ours. Years from now my people will be forced to live in mobile homes on reservations. Your people will wear cardigans, and drink highballs. We will sell our bracelets by the road sides, you will play golf, and enjoy hot hors d'oeuvres. My people will have pain and degradation. Your people will have stick shifts. The gods of my tribe have spoken. They have said, "Do not trust the Pilgrims, especially Sarah Miller."
Amanda: Gary, she's changing the words.
Wednesday: And for all these reasons I have decided to scalp you and burn your village to the ground. '
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I wonder if he has found William Beansleys origins in England?
William Beamsley is all over the internet (as are other ancestors of Richard Madeley mentioned in the programme). Apparently they can't pin him done with exactitude but believe he probably came from Lincoln where Beamsley is a local surname. I wikipedied and googled the Hicks and Beamsley families during the programme and found there is loads of information.
On Genes Reuniteds facebook page they are promoting links to people's trees who have William Beamsley in them. They all say he was from [Boston,]Suffolk.
Boston Lincolnshire?
Hi,
I'm not an expert on this and I'm getting all this from the internet :) but isn't Boston in the USA in Suffolk County? Suffolk County was named after Suffolk in England but also meant Southern folk, according to Wikipedia. Although it's quite possible if the Beamsley family was in Lincoln and the surrounding area that they were also in Boston, Lincolnshire. I got the information from this link http://minerdescent.com/2010/06/13/william-beamsley/ although of course I haven't verified sources. Actuallly Boston has a fascinating history as a Hanseatic League port and also had quite a few monasteries (shades of Robin Gibb! lol). And like Boston in the USA is on reclaimed land. And interestingly there is a Scotia Creek from which boats sailed attempting to reach America. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston,_Lincolnshire And of course it's twinned with Boston, Mass :)
Interesting info here about the Massachusets Bay Company/Colony http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_Bay_Colony The first person from the colonists executed was a female physician said to be a "witch", according to Wikipedia
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Boston was in Suffolk County, MA, but (like us) there have been a few boundary changes since 1660.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suffolk_County,_Massachusetts
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Boston Lincolnshire?
Ooops sorry wasn't paying attention to all the posts *slapped wrist* ;D ;D ;D
Pat
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Didn't like the changing lines to keep on the Canadian/American trail.
Seemed a bit "made for TV" to me.
its a tv programme ::) ::) ;D
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I think we're generally agreed that WDYTYA is made for entertainment, rather than as a specialist genealogy programme :) ::)
Which doesn't stop it coming up with some interesting genealogical stuff - occasionally
Linda
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I really enjoyed this one - maybe more for the scenery/history than the genealogy.
we had a lovely holiday in Nova Scotia 8-10 years ago (but NOT in that weather) - I was delighted that they mentioned the unfortunate Acadians (the French speakers) who lost their land. We visited some of their sites.
And I found his chat with the Indian very moving.
eadaoin
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Yes I agree, I was very moved by the chat he had with the Indian man at the site of the battle/massacre. I am ashamed to say that I knew little of the King Philip war and the next day it set me off in another direction with my research.
On my gg grandmothers side of the family there are some ancestors who went over in the 1630s and I found that one of their sons was wounded in that event and died 5 months later. It made it all the more real for me and I feel uncomfortable about that even despite the distance of time and differing morals - but that's history I suppose.
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One of those weird moments for me was the mention of Puddington, Bedfordshire, which I had been past only 1 hour before the prog and had never visited before.
Ezekiel is in the IGI cx 1624. Obviously some LDS member has searched this one
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mention of Puddington, Bedfordshire
Is it Poddington? the home of British Drag Racing?
Pat ...
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It was slightly puzzling, having somehow got back to John HICKS, why he then went to someone to find out about Thomas HICKS son of John HICKS.
I think it was so they could trace the wife of Thomas Hicks
However it was not too clear
I think this may have been done in the editing because they had got to the end of Hick's line (back to England) and Thomas's wifes line had the battle/massacre they wanted to cover. Bit disjointed here I thought.
Think the battle/massacre was a perfect showing of two sides to every story. The colonists called it a battle as the report mentions a lot of fighting by both sides so the Indians must have had plenty bows and arrows to be able to last so long in their defence. Whereas the verbal accounts handed down the generations of Indians give the impression they were defenceless.
Or did I get that bit wrong?
All in all I thought this was a pretty good programme and it clearly showed that our friends across the pond have so much more available information of our earlier descendants than we have here and how nice to be able to know that one of your ancestors had such a great part in history and be able to find out for sure they were there.
Jean
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Yep I quite like the way the smug look was wiped from his face after the "my great great was involved in this battle" when informed it was in actual fact a massacre of women and children.However it's good to see he is keeping up the family tradition of removing the locals from the housing market by keeping a holiday home in Cornwall ;D
I did think this was one of the better ones in the series though.