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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Suffolk => Topic started by: Jodaw on Wednesday 28 September 11 04:45 BST (UK)
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I am trying to find parents of John Cracknell and Jane Girling who were married on 18.10.1821 in Stradbroke Suffolk. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
:) Jodaw
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hi dont know if you have this may be of help from the bury & norwich post oct 31st 1821. marriages thursday se!nnight mr john cracknell farmer of streadbrook to jane eldest daughter of mr william girling of the same place.
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Welcome to Roots Chat.
I don't know if you have seen John Cracknell's birth and marriage on IGI. It does not give his parents names but gives his birth date as 1783. It also lists the names and birth dates of his 8 children and some of their dates of death.
Regards Amber39
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I have John Cracknell's birthdate as 2 July 1786 but 1783 is also possible.
He was born Stradbroke Suffolk.
I have Jane Girling as being born 1801 Stradbroke Suffolk, and also have
the list of their childred. I did not have Jane's father, I do thank you for
that. Hopefully I will find out both their sets of parents.
My relative is Henry Cracknell born 27.4.1823.
Thank you both so much for your input.
:) Jodaw
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hi jodaw,
have you looked this site old.stradbrooke.org.uk it has lots of info on it including a girling who was the village photographer also 1844 whites dirextory 1841 cencus name list maria girling could possibley be janes mother well worth a look round this site you may gain info from it ect.
harrywrag
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hi harrywrag,
Thankyou so much for this information, I will check it out.
:)
jodaw
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Hi there
A little bit of info from the Suffolk Marriage Index (Suffolk FHS)
John Cracknell married Jane GIRLING or GRINLING (alias) 18 Oct 1821 Stradbroke.
So it looks as though she may have assumed another name rather than using her birth name. If someone could actually check the PR's for you they might be able to glean a little bit more info as to her real name.
Keziah
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I have found a few different spellings for Girling, thank you.
:) Jodaw
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The suggestion that Girling or Grinling was an 'alias' suggests she may have been bpt in a different name - for example Jane Smith.
As I said if someone could actually check the marriage entry in the PR's for you it may just give you further clues as to her origins.
K
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Hi,
I raised a query with an Essex Records Office Archivist regarding the use of Alias in some baptism PR entries, here is the reply:
"Thank you for your email. Aliases were common at this date and usually had an innocent meaning such as the continuation of a family name, the adoption of a child or the use of a stepfather’s name."
I managed to follow up one alias concerning an ancestor and the alias referred to his mother's maiden name.
Regards.
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Would agree with that theory Findem as I have recently found a case in the Rumburgh PR's. Married as Elizabeth Taylor alias Bales, which actually turned out to be Balls.
I suggested a PR Look Up as the 2 corresponding entries quoted in the Suffolk Marriage Index are very similar John Cracknell married Jane Girling or Jane Grinling 18 Oct 1821. The SMI suggests that one of the names is an alias but which one?
As suggested by Jodaw the 2 names are so alike but it has been transcribed onto the SMI as an alias & the PRs are the only way to get to the bottom of this one.
K
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I have the following, have not verified or added Sources but expect these were from IGI many years ago
John Cracknell
b. abt 1629, Brundish, Suffolk, England
& Elizabeth
b. abt 1633, Brundish, Suffolk, England
| Robert Cracknell
| b. 1661, Martlesham,Suffolk
| d. 13 Feb 1729, Suffolk
| & Sarah Wellett
| b. 1665, Martlesham,Suffolk
| m. 23 Jun 1687, Martlesham,Suffolk
| | John Cracknell
| | b. 4 Jun 1693, Martlesham,Suffolk
| | & Elizabeth Girling
| | b. 1697, Stradbroke,Suffolk,England
| | | Sarah Cracknell
| | | b. 23 Mar 1732, Stradbroke Suffolk
| | | & James Rose
| | | b. 1735, Horham, Suffolk
| | | m. 31 Aug 1755, Stradbroke,Suffolk,England
| Thomas Cracknell
| b. abt 1655, Brundish, Suffolk, England
| d. Oct 1655
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Hi,
My thoughts for what they are worth ;D is that Girling and Grinling although fairly different phonetically, from a spelling perspective are similar. I suspect that it's a case of a spelling error, either that or someone had a hearing problem.
My money is on Girling, I'll be watching for the jury's verdict.
Regards.
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Hi Golferzorro and findem,
I already have the information about Robert Cracknell and Sarah Wellett,
but have never been able to find out details of Jane Girling/Grinling's
parents. Bit of a mystery.
Thank you both for your thoughts and information, it is much appreciated.
Regards,
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A little snippet of info from the Suffolk Burial Index - there are GIRLING burials (1582-1901) and GRINLING burials (1598-1857) at Stradbroke All Saints. There are also GRINLING burials (1655-1874) at nearby Laxfield All Saints along with a few Girling burials. The dates are overlapping so it is unlikey that the names were recorded incorrectly & at least two burials at Stradbroke noting an alias on the use of Grinling/Girling (Frances 15 Mar 1759 age 80 & wife Margaret 3 Aug 1753).
So it looks very much like these could be two entirely different families with just very similar names or a branch of the family that has stuck with a corrupted name.
Twins Jane & William GRINLING (parents Abraham Jnr & Jane GRINLING) were buried 15 Jun 1800 Stradbroke All Saints. Abraham Jnr was buried 16 Apr 1803 Stradbroke All Saints but that left enough time for the couple to have more children - a later daughter could have been named Jane also?
This really does need SKS to check the Stradbroke PRs for you as there are no online records for Stradbroke.
K
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My money is on Girling, I'll be watching for the jury's verdict.
Now you know why I don't gamble ;D
Regards
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Hi Keziah2 & findem,
The only information I have regarding Jane Girling is that she was born 1801
in Stradbroke. She married John Cracknell in 1821 in Norwich Norfolk.
John Cracknell was born 1783 in Stradbroke. Jane died in 1877.
I have so far, Girling/Greinling/Grinling and counting.
Thank you both, you are a great help to me especially as I live in Australia
and have no access to the records that you do.
I am very much in your debt.
Regards
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Hi Jodaw,
I'm also living in Australia so I know what a struggle/frustration research can be at times, although for me with mainly Essex ancestors (not one Suffolk ancestor to date) the Essex Records Office putting it's PRs online was a Godsend.
Anyway, good luck. I do hope sks comes along and gives you a helping hand.
Regards.
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Hi findem,
You know what it is like being from Australia also.
It is frustrating being so far away from all the relevant data, but it is
also very addictive.
Thank you for your good wishes.
Regards Jodaw
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If you input the following command into your address bar (as is)
you should, if you are lucky, come up with all references to the Girling surname in Stradbroke.
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search/search_results.aspx?Page=3&QueryText=stradbroke+girling&SelectedDatabases=A2A%7cARCHON%7cBOOKSHOP%7cCABPAPERS%7cDOCUMENTSONLINE%7cEROL3%7cMOVINGHERE%7cNRA%7cNRALISTS%7cPREM19%7cRESEARCHGUIDES%7cE179%7cCATALOGUE%7cWEBSITE%7cTRAFALGAR&SearchType=Quick
You will find references in the late 18th century to men that could be linked to Jane. Check for events that happened behind the haystacks as well!
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Dulverton, I have used the Rootschat Link Shrinker which brings your link to
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0qmg/
If you modify your post to remove the long link, the page will then return to its normal size ;D
Pat ...
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Thank you Dulverton.
I did not know of the line shrinker. :)
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Our moderator Rick has posted the link to the link shrinker ;D
at the top of the page for Suffolk, just click on there and follow the instructions.
Stops the pages becoming distorted with extreeeeeeeeeeemly long links ;D
Pat ...
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This Mendham marriage record may help;
William Girling (of Stradbroke) married by licence Jane Woods
9th October 1799
The SRO at Ipswich may well hold a copy of the licence.
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Thank you suffolkmawther,
That will be extremely handy.
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Hi Dulverton,
I am delighted with your news. Thankyou so much.
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hi i have just found a mary cracknell born1795 married my relation henry hart in 1813,her farther was called danial born in 1647 his wife was called elixebeth pretty ,may not be any relation but who knows
angie :)
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I am now trying to find out if anyone knows who John Cracknell b 1629 of Brundish,
married. I know it was Elizabeth, I just want to know if anyone knows her surname.
Would be most appreciative. Do not know marriage date but know that their son
Robert was born 1661 in Martlesham.
Jodaw
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the mary cracknell i have who married henry hart in 1813 ,
her parents were elizebeth pretty and danial cracknell ,this is as far as i have got so far x
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Jane may have been the daughter of William Girling & Jane Woods married by licence October 9th 1789 at Mendham.
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I believe that John (a farmer) died in Stradbroke 1847 and Jane in 1877.
1847 must have been a dramatic year for Jane as two of her 10 children also died in 1847!
In 1851 Jane was running a 200 acre farm assisted by 2 outdoor workers and 3 house servants and 5 other children still at home. Of the other 5 children 2 had died by 1851.
In 1871 Jane was living with her sons Thomas, John & Albert & daughter Martha.
In 1851 her eldest son, Henry was farming at Valley Farm, Denham Road, Stradbroke, with his wife Elizabeth (nee Larter ) plus children, one of whom was James FARROW Cracknell born August 1845, 3 months after the couple had married!
n.b "Farrow" may well be a surname linked to the Cracknell or Larter line?
All this info will have to be verified by you the reader!
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Hi Dulverton,
Thank you so much for all your information.
I will definately check out the "Farrow" angle, I had not thought of that.
I very much appreciate all your help. :)
Jodaw
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Daniel CRACKNELL & Elizabeth Pretty were married St Peter & St Paul, Eye on the 8th March 1791.
I believe that they MAY had the following six children (all with the usual Cracknell family given names!); Henry bap 29 December 1805, Mary bap 18 August 1795 - CARE this Mary MAY have died in Eye shortly after she was born in October 1795!, Matilda bap 18 December 1801.
It is suggested on some sites that a John, Ann & Jane are also children of this family.
The following information may cause confusion, - this data requires verification!
Daniel Cracknell MAY have been the son of John Cracknell (from Laxfield), who married an Elizabeth Pretty! (odd or what!) at Eye on the 5th November 1758!
A Mary Cracknell married Henry Hart ; 17 October 1813 St Clement. Ipswich - it is purported by some that this Mary was the daughter of Daniel & Elizabeth!
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I am now trying to find out if anyone knows who John Cracknell b 1629 of Brundish,
married. I know it was Elizabeth, I just want to know if anyone knows her surname.
Would be most appreciative. Do not know marriage date but know that their son
Robert was born 1661 in Martlesham.
Jodaw
I expect you are aware but have you visited the Family Search web site as it may help a little (but as always the data will need verification)?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:1:M7RF-2TP