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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Leitrim => Topic started by: rosiekass on Tuesday 27 September 11 20:38 BST (UK)
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Hi
I'm looking for any information with regard to my 2nd Great Grandparents James McHugh B:1829
and Rose MacArtan B1831. 1901 census say that they lived in Drumna, Riverstown, Mohill. Parish: Cloone, Occupation: Farmers. Would like to find out there parents names if anyone could help me.
Not sure on where and when they were married (that info would be helpful too) but I do know that they had 10 children (possibly more). Love to hear from some living relatives too.
Names:
Anne McHugh
1856 –
Cathrine McHugh
1857 –
Peter McHugh
1858 –
Michael McHugh
1861 –
John McHugh
1863 –
Eugene McHugh
1865 –
FRANCIS MCHUGH (My Great Grandfather)
1867 – 1937
Patrick McHugh
1869 –
James McHugh
1872 –
Mary McHugh
1876 –
Look forward to any possible information. :D
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Based on the 1901 census your McHugh ancestors were RC so you would need to check for parish records for the marriage of James and Rose (full civil records started in 1864). Drumna is in the civil parish of Cloone and the RC parish of Cloone-Conmaicne, so that would probably be the place to start a search for the marriage. Were the children all born in Drumna ?
Marriage records for Cloone-Conmaicne parish go back to 1823, but there is a gap between between early 1839 and the end of 1843. Baptism records go back to about 1820 - also with some gaps. The records are available on microfilm ref. Pos. 4241 in the National Library in Dublin.
Early RC marriage records often show very little detail - e.g. date of marriage, names of bride and groom, plus names of two witnesses. Sometime they may include places of residence.
1901 census for reference : McHugh household (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Leitrim/Riverstown/Drumna/1478056/)
see : Introduction to Irish Records (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,442233.0.html)
Shane
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Hi Shane.
Thanks so much for your information with regard to my ancestors.
I will start looking into RC parish of Cloone-Conmaicne, for the marriage
of James and Rose and the birth of there children. Hopefully, that will
give me enough info to get on with the next stage.
I will let you know how I get on.
Thanks again for all your help.
Regards
Rosie
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Anne McHugh baptised 16th March 1856: sponsors Mike McHugh and Bridget Flynn
Catherine McHugh baptised 10th Feb 1857; sponsors Tom McHugh and Anne McCartan
Peter McHugh baptised 7th Aug 1858; sponsors Mike McHugh and Mary McCartan
Michael McHugh baptised 20th Feb 1861; sponsors Pat and Bridget McHugh
John McHugh baptised 17th May 1863; sponsors Frank McHugh and Eleanor Shanley
Eugene McHugh baptised 12th May 1865; sponsors Eugene McHugh and Bridget McCartan
Francis McHugh baptised 30th May 1867; sponsors Frank Tiu=ernan and Mary Kilagher
Pat McHugh baptised 14th Dec 1869; sponsors Pat Mitchell and Anne McHugh (reading uncertain)
James McHugh baptised 20th Feb 1872; sponsors John and Rose McCartan
Mary McHugh baptised 24th Nov 1876; Sponsors Eugene McHugh and Mary Moran (probably Eugene’s wife)
The marriage of James McHugh and Rose McCartan does not appear in the Cloone parish records so either they were not recorded- which is possible – or they were married in another parish (they do not appear in Aughavas parish either).
In the Tithe Books for Drimna (c. 1833) there are two McHugh men holding land from the Madden estate. Michael has 3 Irish acres (about 5 statute acres) and John has 15 (24 statute), which he shares with Hugh and Pat Tiernan.
By the time of Griffith’s Valuation c.1857, there are three McHugh farms in the townland. John has 36 acres, Tom has 29 and James has 36. The three of them also share another 5 acres with James McGovern and John McGee.
In the 1901 census James and Rose are still at Drimna aged 72 and 70. Of their children, Francis 28, Pat 26, James 24 and Mary 23 are still at home.
There are three other McHugh families in the townland at that time
In 1911 I believe Francis is holding the farm (aged 42), wife Ellen 34 and children Rose Anne 4, Mary Kate 3 and James Patrick 2. Also present was brother Pat aged 40.
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Thanks so much Jim! I'm delighted with the information you gave me.
I'm currently working in Europe at the moment so it's difficult for me to get
to Ireland to check out the archives, so every little helps. I so grateful
to people like you who have no qualms in helping people like me.
Thank you, thank you, thank you!! ;D
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I am in the process of researching my ancestors, who originated from Drimna, Cloone, Co. Leitrim.
My G. Grandfather was Francis McHugh, who was married to Ann Fitzpatrick and my Grandfather also Francis McHugh, b. 12th May 1879.
Regards
Frank McHugh
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Hi Frank
I have a little info on your family but it doesn’t, quite, match your information. The Cloone parish records show 4 children to Francis McHugh and Anne Fitzpatrick but all were baptised from Drumhalla, not Drimna; Drumhalla being the townland immediately to the south of Drimna.
Francis married Anne on 9th February 1869 and the witnesses were Eugene Shanley and Rose Conlon. Unfortunately the marriage records at that time do not give the parents of the couple. It may be worth getting a copy of the Civil Registration marriage certificate, which may give more information.
Their children:
Mary was baptised on 12th Nov 1869, sponsors John and Anne Fitzpatrick
Michael was baptised on 24th May 1872, sponsors Patrick McHugh and Rose (surname obscured)
Francis (1) was born on 22nd Nov 1873, sponsors Eugene McHugh and ? (name obscured)
Francis (2) was baptised on 13th April 1879, sponsors obscured but I believe the woman was a Fitzpatrick.
It could be that Anne Fitzpatrick was from Drumhalla as it was quite common for women to return to their parents home to give birth. It imay also be relevant that the McCues who had land in Drumhalla lived in the very north of the townland, on land which adjoined the McHughs from Drimna who lived at the very south of that townland.
In Griffith’s Valuation, Michael McCue of Drumhallagh held around 40 acres. He was married to a Mary Carroll and had at least 6 children between 1863 and 1872. I cannot see any record of this marriage in the parish records of either Cloone or Aughavas.
In the Tithe Books of c.1833 another Michael McHugh held 6 acres of land in DRumhallagh. He was married to Ann Shanley and they had at least 8 children between 1825 and 1843 (including Michael on 15th August 1829). I cannot find any record of this marriage but it may have occurred before records began. The Shanley connection I think definitely ties Francis in with the Drunhalla McHughs.
Jim
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Hello Jim,
Thank you for your response to my posting.
I have some information on my ancestors as follows;
My g.g. grandfather, Francis McHugh, b abt 1840, d. 1910, married Ann Fitzpatrick, b. abt. 1842, d.1884, in Mohill (probably Cloone) on 9th February 1869. Grooms father is given as Michael McHugh and the brides as John Fitzpatrick
They had the following family;
Marianne b 23/11/1869.
Michael b. 7/6/1872
John b. 24/11/1873
Thomas b. 8/2/1879
Francis b. 12/5/1879 ( my grandfather)
Ann b. 6/1/1884
Ann McHugh/Fitzpatrick died in 1884 after Ann was born. Francis remarried a Catherine Connell in 1887 and they had a family of 5 children. The 1901 census shows that Ann was the only member of the first family to be residing with Francis and Catherine. Drimna is given as the townland of residence, while the birth certificates give Drumhallagh.
I read with interest rosieskass’s posting and it maybe that James McHugh, b. 1829and Michael McHugh, father of my g.g.grandfather, were brothers. I know relations of her g. grandfather Francis McHugh.
Is it possible to make personal contact with rosiekass
Any information on the Fitpatrick’s, who maybe from Aughavas parish. I am not aware of the Fitzpatrick name in Drumhallagh.
Regards
Frank McHugh
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Jim,
did you get my last posting, in responce to your of 12th sept.' 12Hi Frank
I have a little info on your family but it doesn’t, quite, match your information. The Cloone parish records show 4 children to Francis McHugh and Anne Fitzpatrick but all were baptised from Drumhalla, not Drimna; Drumhalla being the townland immediately to the south of Drimna.
Francis married Anne on 9th February 1869 and the witnesses were Eugene Shanley and Rose Conlon. Unfortunately the marriage records at that time do not give the parents of the couple. It may be worth getting a copy of the Civil Registration marriage certificate, which may give more information.
Their children:
Mary was baptised on 12th Nov 1869, sponsors John and Anne Fitzpatrick
Michael was baptised on 24th May 1872, sponsors Patrick McHugh and Rose (surname obscured)
Francis (1) was born on 22nd Nov 1873, sponsors Eugene McHugh and ? (name obscured)
Francis (2) was baptised on 13th April 1879, sponsors obscured but I believe the woman was a Fitzpatrick.
It could be that Anne Fitzpatrick was from Drumhalla as it was quite common for women to return to their parents home to give birth. It imay also be relevant that the McCues who had land in Drumhalla lived in the very north of the townland, on land which adjoined the McHughs from Drimna who lived at the very south of that townland.
In Griffith’s Valuation, Michael McCue of Drumhallagh held around 40 acres. He was married to a Mary Carroll and had at least 6 children between 1863 and 1872. I cannot see any record of this marriage in the parish records of either Cloone or Aughavas.
In the Tithe Books of c.1833 another Michael McHugh held 6 acres of land in DRumhallagh. He was married to Ann Shanley and they had at least 8 children between 1825 and 1843 (including Michael on 15th August 1829). I cannot find any record of this marriage but it may have occurred before records began. The Shanley connection I think definitely ties Francis in with the Drunhalla McHughs.
Jim
Hello Jim,
Thank you for your response to my posting.
I have some information on my ancestors as follows;
My g.g. grandfather, Francis McHugh, b abt 1840, d. 1910, married Ann Fitzpatrick, b. abt. 1842, d.1884, in Mohill (probably Cloone) on 9th February 1869. Grooms father is given as Michael McHugh and the brides as John Fitzpatrick
They had the following family;
Marianne b 23/11/1869.
Michael b. 7/6/1872
John b. 24/11/1873
Thomas b. 8/2/1878
Francis b. 12/5/1879 ( my grandfather)
Ann b. 6/1/1884
Ann McHugh/Fitzpatrick died in 1884 after Ann was born. Francis remarried a Catherine Connell in 1887 and they had a family of 5 children. The 1901 census shows that Ann was the only member of the first family to be residing with Francis and Catherine. Drimna is given as the townland of residence, while the birth certificates give Drumhallagh.
I read with interest rosieskass’s posting and it maybe that James McHugh, b. 1829and Michael McHugh, father of my g.g.grandfather, were brothers. I know relations of her g. grandfather Francis McHugh.
Is it possible to make personal contact with rosiekass
Any information on the Fitpatrick’s, who maybe from Aughavas parish. I am not aware of the Fitzpatrick name in Drumhallagh.
Regards
Frank McHugh
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I did see your message Frank but I have not had time to look further into it yet. I have been trying to get my head around my father's Scottish ancestors before I go to Edinburgh tomorrow to do some research.
Two things for you however.
1: To contact rosiekass try clicking on her name at the left hand side of her post. You will get her profile which will give you the option to send a personal message.
2: (and if you contact rosiekass can you give her this as well)
If you contact the Valuation Office in Dublin and give them a surname and townland (i.e. McHugh/Drumhallagh) you can obtain a list of who held land in the townland from c.1857 (Griffiths) up to the 20th century. You used to, and probably still do, get a map as well.
Now these are just lists of people recorded at various times through the years - usually when land/leases changed hands - but it can give a very good idea of possible relationships. (In other words EVEN MORE information to confuse and yet delight)
I don't know the current cost but it was not excessive when I did it some years ago. Probably no more than £40 sterling (I would hope!)
If you remind me in about 2 weeks (you can try the personal message thingie) I will send you details of all the McHugh records I have for Drimna and Drumhalla.
And in case you are wondering about my motives there is a faint possibility that I have a familial relationship with the Fitzpatricks at least.
An Anne Fitzpatrick was baptised at Bellakiltyfea in 1843 - daughter to John Fitzpatrick and Ally Conlon. John's farm was only a couple of hundered yards to the north east from the McHughs of both Drumna and Drumhalla. Conlon is my grandmother's maiden name and her farm was a couple of hundred yards south east of the same McHughs!
Speak soon.
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Hi Frank
Sorry for not getting back sooner. It's been hectic the last few weeks for me but glad to say that things are now back to normal now.
After reading your messages, I'm sure our ancestors are connected some how but not sure where.
As you know, my 2 x Great Grandparents were James McHugh (b:1829) who married to Rose MacArtan (b:1831). They lived in Drumna, Riverstown, Mohill. Parish: Cloone. I have no idea who their parents or siblings are as I can't find any more information on them. Anyway, they had 11 children, one of which is Francis McHugh (b:1867 – d:1937), my Great Grandfather. He married Ellen Mitchell (b:1874 – d:1943) on 6th Nov 1905 and had 5 children, one of which was my grandmother, Mary Kate McHugh (b:1908 – d:2002). Mary married John Joe Donohoe and they had 4 children. Pat Donohoe lives in Aughnaglace, Mal & Andy in Ireland and Mary (my mother) in Wales.
I would love to get more info on James & Rose McHugh if possible and there children. Plus we need to find the link between your ancestors and mine.
I know Jim mentioned the CONLON's on his last message. My Great Grandmother Ellen Mitchell (mentioned above) parents were Owen Mitchell (b:abt 1844) and Anne Conlon (b: abt 1836). I wonder if there is a connection there to.
Anyway, hope that the above information has helped and cleared a few questions for you. Let me know what you think and may be between us, we could break down a few brick walls.
Great to hear from you.
Regards
Rose
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Hi Jim
Did you get my message sent to you on 12th December '12.
Regards,
Frank McHugh
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Hi Frank
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you and your family.
I did get your message but unfortunately I have been really busy December and into January and have been unable to get down to things. I do hope to be less burdened later in January and may be able to get to it then.
Did you contact the Valuation Office? I found the information from them was really useful - although as I said it did somewhat add to the confusion as well :(
Hope to get back to you soon
Jim
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Hi,
I am new to this website. Please forgive me if I did this incorrectly. I am interested in finding out info on a McHugh family from Leitrim that immigrated to the USA around 1850-1860's. Some of the kids names are Margaret (born around 1840), Bridget, James, and Catherine. Would you be able to advise me on how to find out who their parents were. Margaret was my gg-grandmother.
Thank you,
Bonnie
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I am new to this board too! My ancestor, Bridget McHUGH is from Cornageeha, in Mohill. Her parents were Francis and Bridget McDONALD McHUGH (McCue). Bridget immigrated to NYC about 1850 and married Henry KING. Bridget had a sister, Ann who immigrated from Leitrim in 1870 and when she died in 1918 in Brooklyn, NY, Bridget asked the court to be the administrator of her will distribution. From these documents, I found that Bridget and Annie had a sister still living in Bunnybeg, Leitrim named Catherine (Kate) who married a James KENNY and a sister, deceased, named Sarah. Sarah was married to a Thomas MANNIX and they had 3 sons. Thomas and Sarah lived in San Francisco, where Thomas was a plasterer. I tracked down a request from Kate McHugh KENNY to apply for a pension from the british government in 1916. The government used the 1851 Irish census to confirm her birthdate so the 1851 return of extract is online and confirm the following family members: Maria 15 yrs, Bridget not present, Anne who died in 1849, kate 5 yrs,, Sarah 3 years, and Honor 7 yrs living in Bunnymore/Cornageeha.
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http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/search/cs/details.jsp?id=36828
Link - 1851 census referred to in previous post