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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: heatherwalsh on Tuesday 27 September 11 12:27 BST (UK)
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hello everyone ..i am trying to find robert kirkland and his family before 1906.......in 1906 they were in america.... before this this they were in glenboig scotland......there will be robert, his wife mary jane and about 12 children...robert and mary jane were born in ireland, some children were born ireland and some born glenboig.....i am trying to establish how long they were in scotland for, their occupations and who else may have been living with them........any help will be greatly appreciated......kind reguards frm heather
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Hi Heather,
This looks like the Kirkwood family in 1901 living at 56c King Street, Coatbridge, (Old Monkland) Lanarkshire.
(From a transcript)
Robert, age 45, Coal Miner, born c1856 Ireland
Mary J., age 42, wife, born c1859, Ireland
John, age 22, Coal Miner, born c1879, Ireland
Robert E., age 19, Coal Miner, born c1882 Old Monkland
James, age 16, Tile Work Labourer, born c1885, Old Monkland
Joshua, age 14, Tile Work Labourer, born c1887, Old Monkland
Ann Jane, age 13, Scholar, born c1888, Ireland
David, age 11, Scholar, born c1890, Ireland
Nellie, age 10, Scholar, born c1891, Ireland
Minnie, age 10, Scholar, born c1891, Ireland
Sarah, age 8, Scholar, born c1893, Ireland
Don't see them in 1891 (which would make sense as all the kids born between 1888 - 1893 are listed as being born in Ireland)
Could this be him in 1881?
Boarding at No. 1, New Row, New Monkland Landward, Lanarkshire (with David & Jane Wright)
Age 26, Labourer, born c1855, Ireland.
Anne
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thank you ann, this is the family....very much appreciated...frm heather
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I know David Kirkland came to the United States in 1906 because he is my Great Grandfather. They lived in Lanarkshire Scotland but my Great Grandfather was born in Northern Ireland. I think Robert Kirkland changed his last name (according to my Grandfather) if you are stuck. He took his mother's maiden name because his father was Mcclain and Catholics weren't getting jobs.
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I think Robert Kirkland changed his last name (according to my Grandfather) if you are stuck. He took his mother's maiden name because his father was Mcclain and Catholics weren't getting jobs.
If he died in Scotland his death certificate should tell you the full names of both his parents, inckuding his mother's maiden name (assuming the informant knew this of course).
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Hello Forfarian- My name is Mike Waddell and I live in Emmaus, PA, USA. I've researched my Waddell ancestry off and on for several years to the point that I'm reasonably confident that my family line runs from John The Martyr, William b. 1660 and on the Crown of London, William b.c.1715 in America, etc. I have a few questions about the Waddell line within this family branch...are you knowledgeable about this family line or is there anyone else you might suggest that I contact?
This is also my first use of Rootschat.com so suggestions would also be welcome there as well.
Regards,
Mike Waddell
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Have replied to Mike via PM.
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I know David Kirkland came to the United States in 1906 because he is my Great Grandfather. They lived in Lanarkshire Scotland but my Great Grandfather was born in Northern Ireland. I think Robert Kirkland changed his last name (according to my Grandfather) if you are stuck. He took his mother's maiden name because his father was Mcclain and Catholics weren't getting jobs.
The country was just Ireland at that time
What was Mary Jane's maiden name?
Changing his name wouldn't have helped him get a job
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Mary Jane's last name was Cullen. It was her husband Robert Kirkland that supposedly changed his last name and took his mother's maiden name. I can't find Robert Kirkland's birth certificate to verify this and the information that he changed his name was passed down from my Great Grandfather David Kirkland. The reason for the name change was thought to be for a job but nobody knows for sure.
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Just checked Irish records
It is possible that Robert Kirkland was illegitimate
When he married Mary Jane Cullen on 29 August 1878 he gave his name as Robert Kirkland but stated his father was Henry McClean
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I can't find Robert Kirkland's birth certificate to verify this
As previously stated, assuming he died in Scotland, it's his death certificate you need, not his birth certificate. There won't be a birth certificate, as he was born before the introduction of statutory birth registration in Ireland. There might or might not be a baptism record, but unless you know his baptismal name and where he was baptised you will struggle to find it.
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David Kirkland was born 06-Jun-1889 at Richhill Parish, Armagh, address was Ballyloughan.
Father Robert Kirkland was a weaver
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That is a different Robert & David Kirkland. Robert Kirkland was a coal miner according to a census document and according to his son which is my Great Grandfather David Kirkland. David Kirkland was born in Northern Ireland. I know all the information on David Kirkland. I just couldn't find the birth certificate for Robert Kirkland. He was born in 1856 in Ireland and his mother's name was Kirkland but not his father's.
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He may have become a miner when he moved to Scotland.
Ann Jane Kirkland was born 30 December 1887 at Markethill, Armagh
Father Robert Kirkland again recorded as a weaver
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Perhaps he was at some point but the census record I found said coal miner in 1901. If we are even talking about the same family.
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I just couldn't find the birth certificate for Robert Kirkland.
See above. There is no birth certificate to find. Registration of births did not exist in Ireland in 1856.
As already pointed out, the best you can hope for would be a baptism record.
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Perhaps he was at some point but the census record I found said coal miner in 1901. If we are even talking about the same family.
It seems fairly certain that not only is it the same family and that there were several other children you might not know about. If David and Mary Jane were alive in 1911 then it would be worth getting that census record to see how many children she had and how many were still living,
We've started with this family in the 1901 census in Scotland-
Robert, age 45, Coal Miner, born c1856 Ireland
Mary J., age 42, wife, born c1859, Ireland
John, age 22, Coal Miner, born c1879, Ireland
Robert E., age 19, Coal Miner, born c1882 Old Monkland
James, age 16, Tile Work Labourer, born c1885, Old Monkland
Joshua, age 14, Tile Work Labourer, born c1887, Old Monkland
Ann Jane, age 13, Scholar, born c1888, Ireland
David, age 11, Scholar, born c1890, Ireland
Nellie, age 10, Scholar, born c1891, Ireland
Minnie, age 10, Scholar, born c1891, Ireland
Sarah, age 8, Scholar, born c1893, Ireland
Some of the Irish births have been found already but here's a more complete list- all born Armagh, father- Kirkland, mother Cullen:
Margaret Kirkland born 25 June 1879
Extract: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGJ3-P59
Ann Jane Kirkland born 30 Dec.1887 at Markethill, Armagh. Father- weaver
David Kirkland born 6 June 1889 at Richhill Parish, Armagh, address was Ballyloughan. Father- weaver
Eleanor Kirkland born 26 Apr.1891 (Nellie)
Mary Kirkland born 26 Apr.1891 (Minnie)
Sarah Kirkland born 8 Feb.1893
Samuel Kirkland born 14 Oct.1898
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Thank you! That is the correct family and that is what I found as well on ancestryUK. My great grandfather was David Kirkland c1890. His birth year is the only thing that I knew for sure. I know Robert Kirkland (his father) died before my great grandfather came to the United States in 1906.
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Some of the Irish births have been found already but here's a more complete list- all born Armagh, father- Kirkland, mother Cullen:
Margaret Kirkland born 25 June 1879
Extract: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGJ3-P59
Ann Jane Kirkland born 30 Dec.1887 at Markethill, Armagh. Father- weaver
David Kirkland born 6 June 1889 at Richhill Parish, Armagh, address was Ballyloughan. Father- weaver
Eleanor Kirkland born 26 Apr.1891 (Nellie)
Mary Kirkland born 26 Apr.1891 (Minnie)
Sarah Kirkland born 8 Feb.1893
Samuel Kirkland born 14 Oct.1898
aghadowey Where did you get this list from? I know you could get the dates and registration districts online, but did you pay to view Ann Jane's and David's or is there somewhere else this information can be found?
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aghadowey Where did you get this list from? I know you could get the dates and registration districts online, but did you pay to view Ann Jane's and David's or is there somewhere else this information can be found?
"Some of the Irish births have been found already"
Sancti posted the 2 birth records- David in reply #11 and Ann Jane in reply #13
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Sancti posted the 2 birth records- David in reply #11 and Ann Jane in reply #13
So (s)he did! Sancti, did you buy these certificates online, or do you have another source for the information?
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You'd need to ask Sancti the source. The extracted LDS Irish births only cover 1864-c1882 (not complete).