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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Northumberland => England => Northumberland Lookup Requests => Topic started by: LisaNorthumberland on Sunday 25 September 11 19:39 BST (UK)
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Hi,
Would anyone be able to help me trace my great grandparents please - I've hit a complete brick wall! My grandmother was called Edith Mary Griffiths, born 1909 in Amble/Alnwick/Chevington I think - she died when I was a baby and I never knew her so I'm not exactly sure where she was born. I don't know much at all about her parents. I think her mother was also called Edith Mary Griffiths (nee Mole) and she married John Henry Griffiths in Northumberland (again Amble/Alnwick) in 1904. I've been told that John may have travelled from Wales to work in the mines around Chevington. Also I've been told that Edith Mole's father ran a post office/shop in the Amble/Chevington area.
If anyone could help me look them up in the 1911 census and let me know where they lived/occupations that would be fantastic. They would be a family of four as far as I know in 1911 - John Henry, Edith Mary, their son William Henry (born around 1907) and my grandmother Edith Mary (born 1909)
Many thanks,
Lisa.
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Hi Lisa
Sorry , unfortunately we are not allowed to do any 1911 look ups
Louisa Maud
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Hi,
I didn't realise that. Which censuses can people look up? Any info or help at all on the Griffiths/Mole families mentioned would be a great help.
Many thanks,
Lisa.
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See http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,355484.0.html re 1911
The index is free to search and there are lots of suggestions on this thread:
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,492718.0.html
Any other census is fine. The 1881 is free on several sites so you can look yourself. www.freebmd.org.uk is a useful site too. The marriage in 1904 is on there so buying that certificate would get you a generation further back.
Andrea
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Thanks I will check those out. You're right, the 1904 marriage would be my best bet as I am having real trouble finding out where my great grandparents were born and where they may have lived.
Kind regards,
Lisa. :)
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Hello Lisa,
if you look at the 1911 help given to you and search the indexes for Edith Mary, you may find her. You know her name, year of birth and the county so you may be lucky and then you can download the page for a fee.
regards
heywood
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Hi Lisa,
There are a fair number of Griffiths burials in Chevington civil cemetery which could indicate that your search area is a good one.
I'm wondering whether this could be William Henry -
William Griffiths age 71, died 26th June 1978, place of death 18 Beech Bank, New Ollerton, burial from Hadston.
I've been trying to find out where New Ollerton is but no luck so far
Christine
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Hi Christine,
That could well be my William Henry born 1907. I've tried to look for New Ollerton but can't find a thing either. Either it's an old village which doesn't exist anymore or it could be Allerton near Jedburgh?
Many thanks,
Lisa.
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New Ollerton isn't showing up in either of my books on old Northumberland place names and it doesn't look like it would be a farm or somesuch - not with an address like 18 Beech Bank.
Do you know of any connection with Nottinghamshire? It's been suggested to me that it could be a place near Newark.
Christine
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Yes I've seen New Ollerton come up in Nottinghamshire too but I don't know of any connection to there. There is a connection to Jedburgh which made me think maybe it was Allerton and not Ollerton.
Thanks,
Lisa.
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Hi,
Would anyone be able to help me trace my great grandparents please - I've hit a complete brick wall! My grandmother was called Edith Mary Griffiths, born 1909 in Amble/Alnwick/Chevington I think - she died when I was a baby and I never knew her so I'm not exactly sure where she was born. I don't know much at all about her parents. I think her mother was also called Edith Mary Griffiths (nee Mole) and she married John Henry Griffiths in Northumberland (again Amble/Alnwick) in 1904. I've been told that John may have travelled from Wales to work in the mines around Chevington. Also I've been told that Edith Mole's father ran a post office/shop in the Amble/Chevington area.
If anyone could help me look them up in the 1911 census and let me know where they lived/occupations that would be fantastic. They would be a family of four as far as I know in 1911 - John Henry, Edith Mary, their son William Henry (born around 1907) and my grandmother Edith Mary (born 1909)
Many thanks,
Lisa.
Hi. Lisa,
I wonder if you should be looking for New Brotten, Yorkshire.
The 1901 census has a John Henry Griffiths living with his mother in Amble. His mothers name is Rebbca Kenny (she must have remarried at some time I think ).
John's a coal hewer. born New Brotten.
An Edith Mary Griffiths birth was registerd at Morpeth 1909 volume 10b page 409 June July August period.
Did Edith marry John A. Wright?
or
George w. Robinson.
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I've just checked the death registrations for 1978 and there is this:
William Griffiths, age 71, registered in Newark!
Date of birth given as 11/10/1906
Checking birth registrations last quarter 1906 shows a William Griffiths birth registered in Morpeth. None are coming up for 1907 or 1908
I can't see any with the middle name of Henry except for one registered in Cannock.
Christine
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I wonder if Lisa has checked 1911?
Using the free index, there is a John W aged 4 yrs with an Edith Mary 2 yrs. Could the brother be John William rather than William Henry?
Although I can see a birth for William Henry :-\
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There is a birth of a William Henry in Morpeth - June quarter 1906 but this wouldn't tie in with the one who died in Newark.
I feel fairly sure that the one who died in Newark is the one who was buried in Chevington but that doesn't mean he's the one Lisa is looking for.
Sending for the birth certificate for Edith Mary is probably going to be the best move, Lisa
Christine
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Hi all :)
I don't see a suitable Edith (Mary) Mole on the 1901 (two married and one too young) but there is an interesting one that you might consider:
2 High Street, Amble
RG13/4839/6/4
Household of Charles North
Cissy Mole, servant, single, 15, domestic servant, b. London
John and Edith did marry Sept q, 1904, Alnwick so right area.
I've not checked for her earlier of later as yet.
gnu
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If Cissy = Edith and, from the 1901, born circa 1886, London, then:
Birth Dec q, 1885, Edmonton 3a 365
Edith Mary Mole
gnu
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There is a birth of a William Henry in Morpeth - June quarter 1906 but this wouldn't tie in with the one who died in Newark.
I feel fairly sure that the one who died in Newark is the one who was buried in Chevington but that doesn't mean he's the one Lisa is looking for.
Sending for the birth certificate for Edith Mary is probably going to be the best move, Lisa
Christine
Hi Christine,
I think the William born in Morpeth in 1906 would be the one I'm looking for. I know for definite my granny had a brother Will so I am sure this would have been him. Many thanks for double checking that for me!
Kind regards,
Lisa.
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Hi,
Would anyone be able to help me trace my great grandparents please - I've hit a complete brick wall! My grandmother was called Edith Mary Griffiths, born 1909 in Amble/Alnwick/Chevington I think - she died when I was a baby and I never knew her so I'm not exactly sure where she was born. I don't know much at all about her parents. I think her mother was also called Edith Mary Griffiths (nee Mole) and she married John Henry Griffiths in Northumberland (again Amble/Alnwick) in 1904. I've been told that John may have travelled from Wales to work in the mines around Chevington. Also I've been told that Edith Mole's father ran a post office/shop in the Amble/Chevington area.
If anyone could help me look them up in the 1911 census and let me know where they lived/occupations that would be fantastic. They would be a family of four as far as I know in 1911 - John Henry, Edith Mary, their son William Henry (born around 1907) and my grandmother Edith Mary (born 1909)
Many thanks,
Lisa.
Hi. Lisa,
I wonder if you should be looking for New Brotten, Yorkshire.
The 1901 census has a John Henry Griffiths living with his mother in Amble. His mothers name is Rebbca Kenny (she must have remarried at some time I think ).
John's a coal hewer. born New Brotten.
An Edith Mary Griffiths birth was registerd at Morpeth 1909 volume 10b page 409 June July August period.
Did Edith marry John A. Wright?
or
George w. Robinson.
Hi Bill,
Yes my grandmother Edith married John Alfred Wright in 1937 and my father was also John Alfred. I will have to do some searching to see if John Griffith's mother remarried, it's likely she did then if she has a different name. Many thanks for this info.
Kind regards,
Lisa.
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I wonder if Lisa has checked 1911?
Using the free index, there is a John W aged 4 yrs with an Edith Mary 2 yrs. Could the brother be John William rather than William Henry?
Although I can see a birth for William Henry :-\
Hi!
I think this is where I'm getting confused too. On the free indexes it brings up William Henry and I know that my granny did have a brother William and I guessed then that Henry was for his father's middle name as later on they also had a Henry who died aged 4, a Thomas Henry and later a John Henry. But as you say on the free search it brings up John W alongside Edith Mary which is why I'm baffled as to who John W is! Maybe William Henry died young, I think I need to investigate further.
Many thanks,
Lisa.
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If Cissy = Edith and, from the 1901, born circa 1886, London, then:
Birth Dec q, 1885, Edmonton 3a 365
Edith Mary Mole
gnu
Hi Gnu,
Many thanks for looking that up for me. I couldn't find any suitable Edith Mary's around that time either so maybe if she was nicknamed Cissy then this may be her. This is really helpful, thanks!
Kind regards,
Lisa.
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Hi Lisa,
Have just returned from Greece this afternoon and logged on about 15 mins ago. Have been reading your message with interest.
I have not really read your message in depth but noticed the piece about New Ollerton. If there was a connection with coal mining this could be a reason why New Ollerton crops up as it WAS a big mining area and many of the miners came from 'up North'. There is still many a geordie accent flying about in that area. I seem to recall that Beech ?? (not sure about Bank) is an area where lots of houses were built for the miners.
I'm not sure but was Chevington a mining area? It's a long time since I lived up there but vaguely think it may have been.
Barbara
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Hi Barbara,
Chevington was a mining area, yes, there were many coal miners in my family. It's interesting that you say about New Ollerton so there may possibly be a link there. Is the Beech (Bank) area still there today? I know the miner's houses in Chevington where my great grandparents may have lived were demolished around the 1980s.
Regards,
Lisa.
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Hi Lisa
I'm wondering whether it might be worth having a look at the church records from around that time.
If you like I'll have a quick look at Chevington on Wednesday - see if anyone is there. If not they may be in Amble or Alnwick.
Christine
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I'm not sure about the name Beech Bank but I seem to think there is a Beech Avenue and other roads with the names of trees these may have been built since the time you state but are probably in the same area. These stretch right along the length of the main road through New Ollerton and it reminds me of the council estates in Blyth (where I hail from many moons ago).
I know that there were quite a few that moved down to the pits from Blyth 'cos I remember years ago my cousin was in Retford (not far from Ollerton) and he bumped in to one of his old school mates from Newsham (Blyth) who was working in the pits at Ollerton.
My husband also worked down the pit at Bevercotes between Retford and Ollerton and there were lots of Geordies there too.
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Hi Lisa
I'm wondering whether it might be worth having a look at the church records from around that time.
If you like I'll have a quick look at Chevington on Wednesday - see if anyone is there. If not they may be in Amble or Alnwick.
Christine
Hi Christine,
That would be brilliant if you don't mind thanks. I've been given some info on the other side of my dad's family (Wright's from the same area as the Griffith's) just tonight and I found that some of them are buried in Chevington too. I'll have to take a trip up there some time and see if I can find where there are buried.
Kind regards,
Lisa.
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Perhaps a bit of added interest.
I have a book called The Three Villages (East Chevington, South Broomhill and Radcliffe) published by Amble Social History group in 2001.
In it is a photograph of East Chevington Juniors football team 1947-48. The boys are listed only by surname but one of them is called Mole.
Christine
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Hi Christine,
Will look the book up, should be some interesting stuff in there. Just had a look for the photo, they have it on the Northumberland Communities website http://communities.northumberland.gov.uk/Hadston_C4.htm
Lisa.
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The new free index to the 1911 census on the updated familysearch site https://www.familysearch.org/ has this entry:
Edith Mary Griffiths
1911 Census
Female age 2
born Chiventon Drift Northland
Parish: East Chevington
Northumberland
residence East Chevington, Chevington Drift Acklington, Northumberland, England
There are also these entries (I just searched for some of the names mentioned in the earlier posts)
Edith M Griffiths
19 11 Census
Age 26
Born London, London
address East Chevington, Chevington Drift Acklington, Northumberland, England
John Griffiths
1911
Age: 38
Born New Brotten, Yorkshire
address East Chevington, Chevington Drift Acklington, Northumberland, England
plus John W Griffiths age 4 born Chiventon Drift Northland
Have a play and you may find more. I am just starting to use this index so I may not have exploited its full potential.
Matilda
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Hi Matilda,
Thanks for looking that up for me. The Family Search site is great, really useful for finding things. They are updating it all the time too.
Regards,
Lisa.
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I found a few baptisms for you in the Amble Primitive Methodist Church
Edward Griffiths born 15 Dec 1911 and baptised 15 Feb 1912 s/o John Henry and Edith Mary
Henry Griffiths born 9 Dec 1913 and baptised 15 Jan 1914 s/o John Henry and Edith Mary
address for both: 36 Hartside Terrance, Chevington Drift, Miner
Also having children baptised with the last name of Griffiths--Thomas & Emily, Jonh & Sarah, Henry & Mary Jane.
Janis
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I found a few baptisms for you in the Amble Primitive Methodist Church
Edward Griffiths born 15 Dec 1911 and baptised 15 Feb 1912 s/o John Henry and Edith Mary
Henry Griffiths born 9 Dec 1913 and baptised 15 Jan 1914 s/o John Henry and Edith Mary
address for both: 36 Hartside Terrance, Chevington Drift, Miner
Also having children baptised with the last name of Griffiths--Thomas & Emily, Jonh & Sarah, Henry & Mary Jane.
Janis
Hi Janis,
That's excellent thanks. With the other children does it not list who their parents were? I know they definitely had a William, Edith Mary b.1909, Edward b.1911, Henry b.1913 d.1918, Thomas b.1916, Lizzie b.1918, Alice b.1921 and John Henry b.1924 (his father John Henry died that year just before Edith gave birth to John) The Ed Griffiths you found mentioned above owned a cafe in Amble and their father John Henry is rumoured to have drowned in Amble in 1924.
Kind regards,
Lisa.
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Edward and Henry were the only ones baptised in this particular church or circuit 1893-1937 with parents William John and Edith Mary
other children baptised:
Ruth in 1914, Ada Charlton in 1921, Thomas William born 1917 and Irene born 1924 were children of Thomas and Emily
John and Sarah had children Thomas 1918 and Alfred in 1921. (lived Stobswood Ulgham)
Henry and Mary Jane had a Jane in 1922
All have the last name Griffith. All father's were miners.
If you are interested in these birth and baptisms I can give them to you.
Janis
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Hi Lisa
Sorry it's taken a day to get back to you but I wasn't at all successful yesterday looking for your William and Edith.
There were not records in Chevington church so I'm wondering whether they would also have been Methodists.
Alas, the Broomhill Methodist records at Woodhorn end in 1904 and the Amble ones start in 1911. :-\
Any thoughts Janis on where else they could be if Methodists?
Christine
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I haven't a clue as to where all the Methodist churches are. I found some of my family members that moved from Choppington to Amble/Chevington Drift--then back again. The fiche I have is for the Primitive Methodist Connection Amble Circuit Baptisms 1893-1937.
The others are:
Ruth Griffiths born 3 May 1914 baptised 18 Jun 1914 d/o Thomas and Emily, , Miner, 47 Simonside, Chevington Drift
Ada Charlton Griffiths born 8 Aug 1821, baptised 28 Aug 1921 d/o Thomas and Emily, Miner, Chevington Cresent, West Chevington
Irene Griffiths born 21 Aug 1924, baptised 26 Nov 1924 d/o Thomas and Emily, Miner, 13 Chevington Cresent
Thomas William Griffiths, born 1 Oct 1917, baptised 26 Nov 1926 s/o Thomas and Emily, Miner, 13 Chevington Cresent
Thomas Griffiths born 5 Jan 1918, baptised 29 Jan 1918 s/o John and Sarah, MIner, Grangewood Terrance, Stobswood Ulgham
Alfred Griffiths born 5 Jul 1921, baptised 4 Aug 1921 s/o John and Sarah, Miner ,25 Grangewood Terrace, Stobswood Ulgham
Jane Griffiths born 12 Mar 1922, baptised 13 Mar 1922 d/o Henry and Mary Jane, Miner, 17 Linhope Terrace, Chevington Drift
Janis
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Hi Lisa
Sorry it's taken a day to get back to you but I wasn't at all successful yesterday looking for your William and Edith.
There were not records in Chevington church so I'm wondering whether they would also have been Methodists.
Alas, the Broomhill Methodist records at Woodhorn end in 1904 and the Amble ones start in 1911. :-\
Any thoughts Janis on where else they could be if Methodists?
Christine
Hi Christine,
Thanks for checking that for me. It's been a while since I've been able to get on here so I've only just seen your post. I think that they were Methodists as my father and his sister (children of Edith Mary b.1909) were baptised in the Methodist church also.
Many thanks,
Lisa.
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I've learned from the 'Three Villages' book that there was a very active Weslyan Methodist chapel in Radcliff.
I'll see if there are any records at Woodhorn tomorrow.
Christine