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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: alibas on Saturday 24 September 11 07:20 BST (UK)
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Hi All looking for two specific Andersons. George Anderson and Annie Kathleen Anderson Anderson they had a daughter Called Maud Anderson I've found most of the information relating to her she was born 1899, but i don't know any birth/ death dates.
Any information will be welcomed i think they were from either England or america
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HI
you mention 1899 as the birth year
Can you see it at NZ BMD online, wasa looking to see if she had a middle name
but I can't see the registration?
Bye
althea
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Hi alibas :)
I note that this enquiry relates to your earlier thread regarding Maud FIVEASH (where we endeavoured to find Maud's mother from another (different) name which you had supplied).
Towards the end of that thread, "Sunnylyn" came aboard and provided the following :
"Maud's parents ...
George ANDERSON and Annie Kathleen ANDERSON (whose maiden name was also ANDERSON).
Source: Original copy of the marriage certificate " : (Marriage of Maud(e) ANDERSON - George Boyer FIVEASH - 1917, presumably ?)
* Are you able to contact Sunnylyn to see if there is more information for George ANDERSON ... specifically, his occupation ? Also we need to know Maud's birthplace (as given on the marriage cert.)
Cheers
~ Lu
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Just for reference ... the earlier thread. ;)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,527414.0.html
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Mmm ... I see on NZ Electoral roll (index only) that there is a listing for an ...
"Annie Kathleen ANDERSON - Christchurch East - 1905-06 "
which might be worth exploring further (especially to see who else is living at same address).
~ Lu
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1905-06 - Christchurch East Electoral Roll
ANDERSON - Annie Kathleen
Residence: Chistchurch Club (- no street address given)
Occupation: Domestic Duties
??? Not much help unfortunately.
~ Lu
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So i just got an email from a family member shes told me some stuff its intresting now i have changed my searching from Annie and George Anderson.... to Annie's dad Thomas Henry Anderson he Might have been born 1845-1850 and died definitly in November 1930 in New Zealand
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here is that death
1930/6049 Anderson Thomas Henry 84Y
makes his year of birth 1846
Cheers Janette
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Buried in Waikumete Cemetery
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0f91/
Cheers
KHP
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Hi KPH,
That link doesn't seem to work ;D ;D
Cheers Janette
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It is rectified now Janette. I amended when I saw it didn't work :)
Cheers
KHP
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Here is the marriage for Thomas Henry Anderson
1879/630 Lydia Foster to Thomas Henry Anderson
Lydia is also buried in Waikumete although they have her age as 0,
BDM's have her age as 93yrs
1943/22445 Anderson Lydia 93Y died 29-Oct-1943
She is in the same plot as Thomas ANGLICAN DIVISION C Row 8, Plot 26
Cheers Janette
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Here is her birth
1867/3403 Foster Lydia
Cheers Janette
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So i just got an email from a family member shes told me some stuff its intresting now i have changed my searching from Annie and George Anderson.... to Annie's dad Thomas Henry Anderson he Might have been born 1845-1850 and died definitly in November 1930 in New Zealand
Hi alibas
Interesting. :)
Is there anything more you can tell us about this Thomas Henry ANDERSON ?
He certainly (at this stage), doesn't appear to be the man who married Lydia FOSTER.
~ Lu
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The only Thomas Henry Anderson I can see married to a Lydia is on the 1928 E/R living at 28 Carlyle Street, Napier.
Cheers
KHP
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These are the children of Thomas and Lydia,I see there is a daughter with Maud in her name
1880/3097 Anderson Elizabeth Maud Helene / Lydia /Thomas Henry
1882/3906 Anderson George Alfred Heath/ Lydia/ Thomas Henry
1884/11977 Anderson Thomas Theodore Leonard / Lydia/ Thomas Henry
1886/7240 Anderson Sydney Charles Rupert/ Lydia/ Thomas Henry
1888/9705 Anderson Gordon Henry Rivers /Lydia/ Thomas Henry
1890/16984 Anderson Leslie Alexander Churchill / Lydia Thomas Henry
1892/11151 Anderson Arthur Chitty Russell / Lydia/ Thom/as Henry
1894/14438 Anderson Walter Selwyn Furnan/ Lydia /Thomas Henry
Cheers Janette
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Hi KHP
Checking on a couple of the seven sons born to this Thomas and Lydia, who served in WW1 - two give their NoK as (named) parents, residing in 1917 at Napier.
(And yes, one living at a Carlyle Street address - # 62).
~ Lu
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My mistake, it was #62 and not #28 ..... :-[
Cheers
KHP
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The children of this Thomas Henry and Lydia all have very distinctive names and are thankfully easily found on the electoral rolls index.
A few of them do have a connection to Christchurch (and Canterbury and other South Island towns) at various times during their lives.
The important aspect is, this couple do not (appear) to have had a daughter by the name of Annie Kathleen ANDERSON.
As far as I can see (and using variants of the names Annie and Anderson ), there is no birth on the NZ index of an Annie Kathleen ANDERSON.
[Further, the Lydia FOSTER born 1867 is not the wife of this Thomas Henry - she would only have been 12 in 1879.]
~ Lu
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KHP ... not sure if you have access, but might there be a school record for the child Maud ANDERSON born 1899 (maybe in the Christchurch area - according to info from previous thread) ?
Cheers
~ Lu
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Hmm ... there is a Thomas Henry ANDERSON on electoral rolls in the Christchurch / Canterbury area, from 1880 (1880-81 at ChCh North) ... thereafter from 1914 to 1928 a man of same name, at Napier.
[May be this is the same person ? Would need to check where some of Thomas and Lydia ANDERSON's children were born. ]
~ Lu
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Hi Lu,
Can't see any school records for a Maud Anderson born 1899.
There is one for a Maude Anderson born 16 August 1899 admitted to Kaikora-Otane school on 4 July 1904 destination was for Takapau. No parent mentioned.
One thing I did notice that this person Maude married Fiveash. So do you think this Maude is the same Maud with out the "E"?
I will catch up in the morning as away to my bed.
Cheers
KHP
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I forgot to mention that Hawkes Bay NZSG were the source ....if that is any help on where the school was.
Cheers
KHP
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Thanks KHP. :)
Gosh, I don't know ... it's confusing ... especially as there's a Hawkes Bay connection to the school records ( - Takapau is just North of Norsewood ). Earlier thread suggested Maude (Maud) was likely from the Christchurch area. :-\
[Yes, enjoy your "shut-eye" ... will do the same once the snoring has subsided in yonder boudoir. ::) ]
Cheers ~ Lu
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There is one for a Maude Anderson born 16 August 1899 admitted to Kaikora-Otane school on 4 July 1904 destination was for Takapau. No parent mentioned.
Mmm ... well it does seem to rule out the "Gertrude Maude ANDERSON - d/o of Caroline -- father N/R " (from online birth index) ... whose birthdate was 15 July 1899. (Although I know the birthdates on school records can often be incorrect.)
~ Lu
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Right fresher eyes in the morning.
School record for Gertrude M Anderson born 14 Jul 1899 admitted tp Sawyers Bay on 9 Feb 1909. Last school was Sydenham. Left school on the 31 March 1911 for Mt Cargill School. Address was shown as S Bay. Parent Mr Anderson
Gertrude was admitted to Mt Cargill School on 5 April 1911 and this time the Parent/Guardian was George Anderson. Left school on 4 Jul 1913 for Home Service.
Cheers
KHP
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hi
according to sunnylyn (who is my family member yay lol) Maude was their Maid to earn her keep because George bought her home when she was 13 and announced he was to marry her when she was of age (which he did). so I'm not sure she went to school??. Thomas Henry would be Maude's grandfather. if the information i have received is correct
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Could it be that the Gertrude M Anderson I mentioned above could be your person. The age/year fits for leaving school and she left school for Home Service, and that meant either she helped with the housework at home, or either they went and worked for other people.
Cheers
KHP
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Hi alibas
Can you tell us please, just what information you already have for this Thomas Henry ANDERSON ?
Thanks
~ Lu
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hi lu,
Just
Name: Thomas Henry ANDERSON
Possible D.O.b: 1845/46/47
Possible D.O.D: 25 November 1930
and that his daughter is Annie Kathleen and this maybe photograh of him
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Hi KHP
Just mulling over the school record info you've given for Gertrude M. ... it's most interesting, especially in that it reveals a Parent/Guardian named "George", and a Sydenham (Christchurch) previous location. :)
[Currently looking for a very solid brick wall, on which to bash my head on ! :D ]
Aah ... will keep nibbling away at this search.
~ Lu
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Khp- information i recieved is that her name was Maude Anderson they called her Pearl as a nickname but about the schooling im not sure if she went coz as the story goes (as received from sunnylyn) that George simply bought her home when she was 13 and announced that he was to marry her and he did and that she worked for her keep as a maid in their home.
Lu- Same goes for me lol i've found lots of other family but Maude and her family (i.e mums and dads etc) have me stumped lol but i've always loved a good mystery
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Thanks alibas
Whoa ... he's a handsome fella. ;)
** So is this photo, one that has actually been passed down through your family .... or does it come from some other source ?
My concern is, that now it has been discovered the Thomas Henry ANDERSON who died in November 1930 (and was the husband of Lydia ... married in 1879), doesn't appear to have had a daughter named "Annie" or "Annie Kathleen". :-\
NOT UNLESS ... this Thomas Henry had a previous relationship and Annie Kathleen, was a result of that ??
But there is no NZ birth registration for an Annie Kathleen ANDERSON in any year and so we sort of remain back at "square one". :(
~ Lu
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Hi again alibas
Can you tell me please, (from Maude and George's marriage cert.) ...
* where the marriage took place
* and the date
Maude was very young when she married and so she would have required the permission of "a parent or guardian", to wed.
The name of the person giving permisssion should be included in the Intention to Marry notice, which I can look up at Archives NZ.
~ Lu
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Right fresher eyes in the morning.
School record for Gertrude M Anderson born 14 Jul 1899 admitted tp Sawyers Bay on 9 Feb 1909. Last school was Sydenham. Left school on the 31 March 1911 for Mt Cargill School. Address was shown as S Bay. Parent Mr Anderson
Gertrude was admitted to Mt Cargill School on 5 April 1911 and this time the Parent/Guardian was George Anderson. Left school on 4 Jul 1913 for Home Service.
Cheers
KHP
Evening everyone: Think you are following the right leads for Maud (Pearl) Fiveashnee Anderson,her birthday was 14 July 1899and yes she was my grandmother. Keep up the good work
regards Sunnylyn.
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Hi Sunnylyn
Oooh ... will have to do a "refresher" and read back through this thread.
[Can't quite remember "where we were at". ] :D
~ Lu
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Hi Sunnylyn
perhaps it would help, if you can list what info you are still after
that way helps to clear what is left to find
Bye
Althea ;)
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Greetings Mystery Lovers,
From the original Copy of The marriage register which I have. December 28 1917 District of Dunedin- Marriage by Registrar.George Boyer Fiveash age 24, sawmillhand, Bachelor, Birthplace Wakapatu, Present residence Dunedin, Usual residence Owaka. fathers name and surname & profession: Thomas William Fiveash - Sawmiller. Mothers name and maiden name: Jessie Thompson Fiveash - Boyer.
Maud Anderson age 18 years Spinster . Birthplace Christchurch. Residence present and usual - Dunedin. Father's name & surname and profession George Anderson, Grocer. Mother's name Annie Kathleen Anderson and maiden name Anderson. her signature is Mrs Annie K Anderson.
From Maud's (Pearl) box of photos which I am trying to put names to those un named ones came the photograph that you have. On the back was written in nana's writing Thomas Henry grandad Anderson ,1930, died 25 November aged 85.
Ali bas and self still do not know who Annie Kathleen Andersons parents were? Also thought the fact that beside Thomas Henry Anderson there appears to be someone in Army uniform, thinking that there were more people in the original photograph. . Did Thomas Henry have a son George who was a grocer in Dunedin? Do we need to rethink which parent TH was
attached to. Regards Sunnylyn.
PS GBF called Maud his "Pearl" without price,very romantic , they adored each other right to the end of their lives. I know cause I was there... and they never talked about her early life ever.
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From the original Copy of The marriage register which I have. December 28 1917 District of Dunedin-
Maud Anderson age 18 years Spinster . Birthplace Christchurch. Residence present and usual - Dunedin. Father's name & surname and profession George Anderson, Grocer. Mother's name Annie Kathleen Anderson and maiden name Anderson. her signature is Mrs Annie K Anderson..
Hi Sunnylyn
Lovely story about GBF and his Pearl. :)
I've just read back over the two threads and will add some further info re: Thomas Henry, soon.
Firstly though, just need some clarification about Maude (Pearl's) mother, Annie Kathleen.
* I take it from above marriage cert. that "Annie Kathleen ANDERSON" was present at this wedding >
... and that her name appears as a witness on the marriage certificate ??
* If that is correct, then is there also an address for her ?
[Mostly witnesses had just the place name of where they resided - though sometimes there was a fuller address. ]
Cheers
~ Lu
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Hello again Mystery lovers,
Sorry not going to be any further help. Looked again at the marriage certificate and Annie kathleen Anderson was indeed the witness for her daughter Maud (Pearl) but the residence is only listed as Dunedin.
The second witness was a male clerk from the Court House.
Nana was 18 years old when she married, and as my mum told me, her father had appeared at his home one day in The Catlins with Maud a then 13 year old girl and asked his mother if she would look after her and in return Maud helped in the house because when she was old enough GBF was going to marry her. End of story.
Maud became an extremely skilled needle woman and created the most beautifull Crochet lace and embroidered pieces, along with her youngest sister inlaw and they were lifetime friends. I still have some of their work, indeed was most glad when nana taught me to crochet when I was just eight. Wondering if the Anderson heritage may have been Scandinavian because of the inborn lace making and embroidery talenTs??
Regards Sunnylyn :)
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Sorry not going to be any further help. Looked again at the marriage certificate and Annie kathleen Anderson was indeed the witness for her daughter Maud (Pearl) but the residence is only listed as Dunedin.
Hi Sunnylyn .... never mind. :)
I had a few minutes to kill when at Archives yesterday, and so looked up the Intention to Marry notice.
FIVEASH - ANDERSON -- ITM dated 28 December 1917, Dunedin :
... in the columns stating "length of residence" (which is residence in the particular place where the couple are to be married), it records the following :
George Boyer FIVEASH - residing at Dunedin = 4 days
Maude ANDERSON - residing at Dunedin = 6 months
???
Annie Kathleen ANDERSON (mother) > no mention of word "Mrs." > is the person named as giving consent (for Maude).
~ Lu
PS Just mulling over the new info you've provided - will get back soon.
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Nana was 18 years old when she married, and as my mum told me, her father had appeared at his home one day in The Catlins with Maud a then 13 year old girl and asked his mother if she would look after her and in return Maud helped in the house because when she was old enough GBF was going to marry her. End of story.
Hi again
Please ... just need to get the above, crystal clear. :)
..."her father had appeared" -- whose father ?? (name? )
.... "at his home in the Catlins -- whose home (name ?) ... and who lived in the Catlins ??
.... "and asked his mother" -- whose mother (his name ? Mother's name ?)
Cheers.
~ Lu
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Lucy 2
After many months think we have a lead re Maud Anderson daughter of Annie Kathleen Anderson.
AK's father was indeed the Thomas Henry Anderson who married Lydia Foster. Yes Annie Kathleen Anderson & brother James Wilson Anderson were the children of his first marriage to Mary Anne Pierce, she died in Christchurch NZ 21 October 1878.
Can you track down anything more regarding dates & information for Annie Kathleen & her brother.
TH Anderson is listed as a boatbuilder in 1878, this came from a death notice in the Lyttleton Times.
You quite correctly listed the one daughter and seven sons for Lydia Foster and TH Anderson. Thanks mystery lovers, keep thinking please. regards Sunnylyn