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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Donegal => Topic started by: triathlon on Friday 23 September 11 18:49 BST (UK)
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Can any one tell me where the "foot of Baughtair" is in Donegal in 1887. A harry Mcdaid , his wife and six children were evicted from there , but i cannot find it on any map. Thank you
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The eviction is mentioned here (http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=NZT18870415.2.28&l=mi&e=-------10--1----0--) and gives several clues as to the area- village of Clonmany, Tullagh and Urrismaud [Urrismanagh] are all mentioned as is the landlord R.B. Harvey.
If you go to Google Maps and ask for directions from Clonmany to Tullagh to Urrismanagh and click on terrain option you'll see that the route follows the bottom of the mouth which is called Raghtin More.
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Thank you, I have the article and hace noted clonmany, I know where Raghtin more is but could not see Baughtair. I'll look again .
The eviction is mentioned here (http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=NZT18870415.2.28&l=mi&e=-------10--1----0--) and gives several clues as to the area- village of Clonmany, Tullagh and Urrismaud [Urrismanagh] are all mentioned as is the landlord R.B. Harvey.
If you go to Google Maps and ask for directions from Clonmany to Tullagh to Urrismanagh and click on terrain option you'll see that the route follows the bottom of the mouth which is called Raghtin More.
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It's quite possible that there is a mis-print in the original newspaper article or that the scanning software has not correctly read the place.
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Hi, the evictions took place on the estate of R.B Harvey, and seem to be have centred round the village/Parish of Clonmany, Donegal, the placename you are referring to is taken from this article I presume:
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=NZT18870415.2.28&l=mi&e=-------10--1----0--
The area round Clonmany is quite mountainous , I presume that Baughtair was a name given at that time to one of these hills/mountains, the family were living at "the foot" of this hill, don't see any reference to it on any contemporary map or even old OS maps from the 19C, I have a friend who spent his childhood in the area, I'll ask him the next time I see him if the name rings a bell.
Regards
Joe
(posted before see previous replies :-[)
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Wonder if it is Ba Uachtair (which is the Gaelic for Boyoughter).
Lettermacaward (civil parish), Barony of Boylagh.
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Thank you , that sounds very interesting . Is that Letter in the parish of Clonmany.
Wonder if it is Ba Uachtair (which is the Gaelic for Boyoughter).
Lettermacaward (civil parish), Barony of Boylagh.
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No, Lettermacaward.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0f88/
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Thank you , the article regarding the eviction definitely said they were in Clonmany, but i'm assuming Lettermacaward is'nt?
No, Lettermacaward.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0f88/
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I'm really not sure! Someone with better local knowledge would be best as I wouldn't like to misguide anyone. Don't know where Clonmany is in relation to Lettermacaward.
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the two civil parishes are not that near to each other - see the maps on the Irish Times website :
Clonmany Civil parish (http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/townlands/index.cfm?fuseaction=TownlandsInCivil&civilparishid=753&civilparish=Clonmany&citycounty=Donegal)
Lettermacward civil parish (http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/townlands/index.cfm?fuseaction=TownlandsInCivil&civilparishid=781&civilparish=Lettermacward&citycounty=Donegal)
Shane
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Thank you.
The eviction was definitely Clonmany but no progress as yet finding out where Baughtair is. Not sure where if possible I could read the original article.
the two civil parishes are not that near to each other - see the maps on the Irish Times website :
Clonmany Civil parish (http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/townlands/index.cfm?fuseaction=TownlandsInCivil&civilparishid=753&civilparish=Clonmany&citycounty=Donegal)
Lettermacward civil parish (http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/townlands/index.cfm?fuseaction=TownlandsInCivil&civilparishid=781&civilparish=Lettermacward&citycounty=Donegal)
Shane
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http://www.clonmany.com/heritage/docs/1814statacc1.shtml
Does not answer your question, but may be of interest. PM
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Thank you still no clues about where this was though.
http://www.clonmany.com/heritage/docs/1814statacc1.shtml
Does not answer your question, but may be of interest. PM
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Hi I think you can be pretty sure that the house was located somewhere close to Urrismanagh as aghadowey stated, by the discription it would seem to be referring to Raghtin More the highest hill/mountain in the area.
The article gives the name of the family involved which is the biggest clue, Harry McDaid, wife and 6 children, there was a Henry McDaid living in the area who fits the bill, he was married to an Ellen, I see 3 baptisms for the family in Clonmany CP, I also see this Henry McDaid (now a widower) living at Letter, Dunaff recorded in the 1901 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Donegal/Dunaff/Letter/1183712/
Letter, Dunaff is located halfway between Tullagh and Urrismanagh on the road at the foot of the mountain Ragtin More,
Baughtair may be simply a misspelling of bhóthair which is Irish for road
Regards
Joe
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Thank you for this. Interesting the irish for "road" which is very similar. The only thing is that Henry (Harry) and his wife Ellen only had 3/4 children by then and also in 1877 acccording to the land records he had just inherited a house and land in Roxtown from a Rose McDevitt (possible aunt or sister) .
What is interesting however is that Henry seems to have rented land in Letter and this reverted to the Diver family in 1881 but again this is before 1887 when the eviction was ????
Hi I think you can be pretty sure that the house was located somewhere close to Urrismanagh as aghadowey stated, by the discription it would seem to be referring to Raghtin More the highest hill/mountain in the area.
The article gives the name of the family involved which is the biggest clue, Harry McDaid, wife and 6 children, there was a Henry McDaid living in the area who fits the bill, he was married to an Ellen, I see 3 baptisms for the family in Clonmany CP, I also see this Henry McDaid (now a widower) living at Letter, Dunaff recorded in the 1901 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Donegal/Dunaff/Letter/1183712/
Letter, Dunaff is located halfway between Tullagh and Urrismanagh on the road at the foot of the mountain Ragtin More,
Baughtair may be simply a misspelling of bhóthair which is Irish for road
Regards
Joe
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If the above is the correct family here's a little more information:
(Had written this before your reply but still think it relevant)
Henry McDaid = Ellen O'Donnell 30/01/1876 Clonmany RC Church,(Henry was McDevitt on marriage record but McDaid in children's birth records)
Living at "Rockstown" for the birth of son John McDaid 1878, Rockstown I can see in old maps was in the next townland to Letter, Kinnea, Clonmany Parish, other births I have for the couple are James 1876,Bridget 1881 and Mary 1887.
It appears Rockstown is better known as Roxtown
I think this has to be the family (no other suitable family in the area)
Regards
Joe
One other thing if the families situation had taken a turn for the worst in the 1880's then some children may not have been registered as registration cost money, big gap between birth in 1881 and birth in 1887
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Thank you again. Yes this is my family. I have all the same info for you except the birth of Bridget I have in 1891. What I cant understand is if they were evicted from Roxtown , why Henry is shown on the land records form 1877 until 1926 when henry passed the land ( probably dead) to his son john ?? Obviously there is only limited info in this newspaper article but the land records are quite clear . Oh dear a bit difficult????????
If the above is the correct family here's a little more information:
(Had written this before your reply but still think it relevant)
Henry McDaid = Ellen O'Donnell 30/01/1876 Clonmany RC Church,(Henry was McDevitt on marriage record but McDaid in children's birth records)
Living at "Rockstown" for the birth of son John McDaid 1878, Rockstown I can see in old maps was in the next townland to Letter, Kinnea, Clonmany Parish, other births I have for the couple are James 1876,Bridget 1881 and Mary 1887.
It appears Rockstown is better known as Roxtown
I think this has to be the family (no other suitable family in the area)
Regards
Joe
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Hi, not much to add, think from the records i'm seeing that Bridget was born 1881 not 1891, both Civil record and church record match. I think mother was probably too old to have had child in 1891, think I see Ellen's death record in Jul - Sep 1897, Inishowen, aged 60. Henry McDaid seems to have died in Oct - Dec 1919, age 76
Can't solve the mystery of the land records unfortunately
Joe
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Thank you very much. My 1891 must be my eyesight or transcription error .. ha ha. I have a death record from Donegal Ancestry(Roots Ireland - Pay site) for Ellen 19 Mar 1900 with informant Husband henry - Roxtown - could you PM me possibly or put on this this your source. I do not have Henrys date but could you possibly also give me source for that.
Hi, not much to add, think from the records i'm seeing that Bridget was born 1881 not 1891, both Civil record and church record match. I think mother was probably too old to have had child in 1891, think I see Ellen's death record in Jul - Sep 1897, Inishowen, aged 60. Henry McDaid seems to have died in Oct - Dec 1919, age 76
Can't solve the mystery of the land records unfortunately
Joe
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Hi, I wrote an article on the Clonmany evictions of 1881-1883, was entitled "Irish Newspapers : Sources for Irish Genealogy and History" and published in the journal of the Northumberland & Durham Family History Society a couple of years ago.
There were many tenants mentioned by name and their locations. Most of the information I got from the 'Freeman's Journal' which can be accessed for free online.
I've never heard of the place but I will consult my very detailed maps of Clonmany which I copied while researching in Dublin.
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Thank you for your response, I would be interested in any publications or articles on this subject.
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Clonmany & Lettermacaward are a long distance apart.
Clonmany is in the Northern part of Co.Donegal,in the Inishowen Peninsula,
while Lettermacaward is in the West of the county.